Create your own bus route!

[engineerboy6561]

56 minutes ago, Jova42R said:

Here's a BxQ4

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1s3qOsuT46EbAnAeWCtTwi7l2Gve-jReF&usp=sharing

Wakefield - Williamsbridge - Baychester - Co-Op City - Pelham Bay - Throgs Neck - North Flushing - LGA

Makes local stops in Bronx until Buhre Av/Bruckner, then no stops until Whitestone/Linden, then no stops until LGA Terminals.

SPLIT between LGA and Eastchester Depots, uses MCI D4500CL and XD40. Uses OMNY, $2.75

Thoughts?

YES, THERE IS A WEST BRONX COUNTERPART IN THE WORKS! THESE MAPS ARE JUST HARD TO MAKE! I SHOULD HAVE IT SOON.

9 minutes ago, Jova42R said:

I’d say what would be better is to start something in Kingsbridge and then run it through University Heights maybe getting on the highway near Highbridge and then no stops to LGA

You're still gonna have some runtime issues with that, but you're getting better. Figure on 33 mins from 241 St to Edson and Bartow, then another 15-20 to get to Buhre and Bruckner, 15-20 more with no stops to Whitestone and Linden, and then 10-15 more to the terminals; you'd be looking at a 65-80 minute run, and I'm not sure how much demand you're gonna get from the folks farther up in the northwest Bronx going to the airport. You also don't want D4500s running on that because I suspect a fair amount of your ridership is gonna be intra-Bronx ridership and so the single door will mess up your on- and offloading times. I'm still not sure how much ridership you're gonna get, but that's at least somewhat better runtime-wise.

The reason I don't think expresses from the NW Bronx to LGA work is that I really don't think there's gonna be the demand to support that without a fair amount of intra-Bronx ridership and a long stretch of running through the Bronx to accumulate people going to the airport.

16 minutes ago, danig1220 said:

@Jova42R here is my attempt at a West Bronx-LGA route.

 

NEW Bx55 LTD - Wakefield - Mott Haven - Astoria - LGA 

via Webster Avenue, 3rd Avenue (S/B only past 149th Street), Willis Avenue (N/B only), and Astoria Blvd

 

Limited stops from 241st Street  and Gun Hill Road  to Fordham Plaza (MNRR). Then limited stops from Fordham/3rd and 138/(3rd Southbound, Willis Northbound). No stops between 138/(3rd or Willis) and Astoria/Hoyt, then follows the M60 to LGA.

You're getting better. One tip (and this is why my Bx55 variant goes to the hospital instead of up WPR): White Plains road is two lanes under an el, and there's basically no room to maneuver in traffic there. That's why when the Bx41 went SBS they turned it at Williamsbridge instead of sending it up to 241 St.

Edited March 23, 2020 by engineerboy6561

[Jova42R]

2 minutes ago, engineerboy6561 said:

You're still gonna have some runtime issues with that, but you're getting better. Figure on 33 mins from 241 St to Edson and Bartow, then another 15-20 to get to Buhre and Bruckner, 15-20 more with no stops to Whitestone and Linden, and then 10-15 more to the terminals; you'd be looking at a 65-80 minute run, and I'm not sure how much demand you're gonna get from the folks farther up in the northwest Bronx going to the airport. You also don't want D4500s running on that because I suspect a fair amount of your ridership is gonna be intra-Bronx ridership and so the single door will mess up your on- and offloading times. I'm still not sure how much ridership you're gonna get, but that's at least somewhat better runtime-wise.

Maybe have 2 lines:

BxQ4A: Pelham Bay Park  to LGA.

BxQ4B: Wakefield to Flushing.

Thoughts?

[Jova42R]

Okey-dokey, here's the full map:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qi-UYF2b8euApPIMSihkaHuzgYcsjFYx&usp=sharing

Thoughts?

[engineerboy6561]

 

30 minutes ago, Jova42R said:

Okey-dokey, here's the full map:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qi-UYF2b8euApPIMSihkaHuzgYcsjFYx&usp=sharing

Thoughts?

The QBx3 is gonna carry air, and the QBx5 is gonna carry air, sit in horrendous traffic, and isn't actually allowed on Mosholu/Henry Hudson Parkways through Van Cortlandt Park.

 

The QBx4 might work, but I don't think your routing will work super well. Bay Plaza is already covered by the Q50, 222 St is entirely residential, White Plains Rd is a two-lane street under an el and prone to heavy traffic backups. You'd likely do a lot better running this as a Bx8 or Bx31 Limited along Willamsbridge Rd or Eastchester Rd, Westchester Av, and Zerega Av down to the bridge, and then Q50 stops into Main St before getting on the highway to LGA. Your overall runtime to Flushing would wind up somewhere around 65-75 minutes, and your overall runtime would likely hit 80-90 minutes, which is a bit high but workable. The question is whether you'd get the ridership running through the mid-Bronx to make the route worth it. I think you might, but I'm unsure. Just number it the Bx48 or Bx51 (depending on whether you do Willamsbridge or Eastchester Rd for the north Bronx segment) and maybe it'll work.

The QBx6 might work, but with rush hour traffic it will likely take about as long to do the nonstop stretch on the highway as it would to run as a 3 Av limited, which means you're giving up all sorts of ridership opportunities for not a ton of time gain.

@B35 via Church You'll probably find this interesting, and I'd like to get your thoughts on Bronx-LGA service.

Edited March 23, 2020 by engineerboy6561

[Jova42R]

11 hours ago, engineerboy6561 said:

 

The QBx3 is gonna carry air, and the QBx5 is gonna carry air, sit in horrendous traffic, and isn't actually allowed on Mosholu/Henry Hudson Parkways through Van Cortlandt Park.

 

The QBx4 might work, but I don't think your routing will work super well. Bay Plaza is already covered by the Q50, 222 St is entirely residential, White Plains Rd is a two-lane street under an el and prone to heavy traffic backups. You'd likely do a lot better running this as a Bx8 or Bx31 Limited along Willamsbridge Rd or Eastchester Rd, Westchester Av, and Zerega Av down to the bridge, and then Q50 stops into Main St before getting on the highway to LGA. Your overall runtime to Flushing would wind up somewhere around 65-75 minutes, and your overall runtime would likely hit 80-90 minutes, which is a bit high but workable. The question is whether you'd get the ridership running through the mid-Bronx to make the route worth it. I think you might, but I'm unsure. Just number it the Bx48 or Bx51 (depending on whether you do Willamsbridge or Eastchester Rd for the north Bronx segment) and maybe it'll work.

The QBx6 might work, but with rush hour traffic it will likely take about as long to do the nonstop stretch on the highway as it would to run as a 3 Av limited, which means you're giving up all sorts of ridership opportunities for not a ton of time gain.

@B35 via Church You'll probably find this interesting, and I'd like to get your thoughts on Bronx-LGA service.

Ok, the QBx3 is now reduced to atoms. The QBx5 runs along Broadway to Dyckman, where it gets on the HH Pkwy (map coming soon)

The QBx4 now runs on Baychester Av to Co-Op, then express (no stops in Flushing, use Q50)

What should the routing be of the QBx6?

[Jova42R]

1 hour ago, Jova42R said:

Ok, the QBx3 is now reduced to atoms. The QBx5 runs along Broadway to Dyckman, where it gets on the HH Pkwy (map coming soon)

The QBx4 now runs on Baychester Av to Co-Op, then express (no stops in Flushing, use Q50)

What should the routing be of the QBx6?

Map changed! I kept the QBx4 stop in Flushing, though

[Jova42R]

BxM5, BxM12, BxM14

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-Dz0wA38i3i_26Z9_qbN_iSLjejXdCYI&usp=sharing

@danig1220 @engineerboy6561 thoughts?

[danig1220]

4 hours ago, Jova42R said:

Ok, the QBx3 is now reduced to atoms. The QBx5 runs along Broadway to Dyckman, where it gets on the HH Pkwy (map coming soon)

The QBx4 now runs on Baychester Av to Co-Op, then express (no stops in Flushing, use Q50)

What should the routing be of the QBx6?

QBx6 - Gladstone Square - LGA 

via Jennings Street, 169th Street, 168th Street, 167th Street, Edward L Grant Hwy, Broadway, 125th Street, Astoria Blvd, LGA

 

Bx35B: Gladstone Square - Washington Heights-168th Street  

via Jennings Street, 169th Street, 168th Street, 167th Street, Edward L Grant Hwy, Broadway

 

Notice: QBx6 will have no stops between Washington Heights-168th Street  and 145th Street  

 

[danig1220]

1 hour ago, Jova42R said:

BxM5, BxM12, BxM14

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-Dz0wA38i3i_26Z9_qbN_iSLjejXdCYI&usp=sharing

@danig1220 @engineerboy6561 thoughts?

BxM5: Okay

BxM12: Okay

BxM14: Why not just extend BxM8 to City Island permanently

[Jova42R]

Just now, danig1220 said:

BxM5: Okay

BxM12: Okay

BxM14: Why not just extend BxM8 to City Island permanently

If a stop at Orchard Beach is added, then that's fine!

[Jova42R]

4 minutes ago, danig1220 said:

QBx6 - Gladstone Square - LGA 

via Jennings Street, 169th Street, 168th Street, 167th Street, Edward L Grant Hwy, Broadway, 125th Street, Astoria Blvd, LGA

 

Bx35B: Gladstone Square - Washington Heights-168th Street  

via Jennings Street, 169th Street, 168th Street, 167th Street, Edward L Grant Hwy, Broadway

 

Notice: QBx6 will have no stops between Washington Heights-168th Street  and 145th Street  

 

Could you draw a map for this on Google My Maps?

I don't really know where this line would go.

[OrionVIIonM79]

Just extend Bx41 SBS to LGA Airport, and not some QBx Route

[danig1220]

24 minutes ago, danig1220 said:

QBx6 - Gladstone Square - LGA 

via Jennings Street, 169th Street, 168th Street, 167th Street, Edward L Grant Hwy, Broadway, 125th Street, Astoria Blvd, LGA

 

Bx35A: Gladstone Square - Washington Heights-168th Street  

via Jennings Street, 169th Street, 168th Street, 167th Street, Edward L Grant Hwy, Broadway

 

Notice: QBx6 will have no stops between Washington Heights-168th Street  and 125th Street  

 

Flow of direction

 

 

QBx6:

Follows the new Bx35 (Check Bronx Bus Plan) to 181/Wadsworth. Then it turns on Broadway following the M100, then the Bx15 on 125th Street (future M125), then the M60 in Queens.

Bx35A: QBx6 to Washington Heights

@Jova42R 

Thoughts?

 

Edited March 23, 2020 by danig1220

[Jova42R]

43 minutes ago, danig1220 said:

Flow of direction

 

 

QBx6:

Follows the new Bx35 (Check Bronx Bus Plan) to 181/Wadsworth. Then it turns on Broadway following the M100, then the Bx15 on 125th Street (future M125), then the M60 in Queens.

Bx35A: QBx6 to Washington Heights

@Jova42R 

Thoughts?

 

@danig1220 I like the concept, but I think it'd be better if it started in Wash Hts, then ran to LGA from Gladstone Sq.

[Jova42R]

1 hour ago, OrionVIIonM79 said:

Just extend Bx41 SBS to LGA Airport, and not some QBx Route

What about E Bronx and W Bronx customers going to LGA?

[Deucey]

On 3/22/2020 at 5:09 PM, engineerboy6561 said:

Express routes of that nature are naturally difficult to run and fill on a regular basis; the only reason express bus routes work into Manhattan is because so many people work in Midtown and Downtown that you can safely assume that a few thousand people from any given set of neighborhoods is going to want transportation to some subset of Midtown and Downtown Manhattan. Even then, most of the express routes in the city take 5th and 6th (or 5th and Madison) because those streets are reasonably centrally located, and so the buses can have a wide catchment area in Manhattan and serve as much of Midtown and Downtown as possible. Singular destinations like LGA aren't likely to have the sort of draw where you can assume that a few thousand people a day in any given neighborhood in the city are going to go to and from there on a daily basis.

Travel to and from the airport on a daily basis from the Bronx is most likely going to come from airport workers, many of whom likely live in the Bronx but who likely live spread out all over the Bronx, which means that an express line to a particular neighborhood is going to capture very little of that ridership because now everyone who wants to use your service has to go to that specific neighborhood to get where they're going. If your express bus is in Riverdale and airport workers live in Morrisania or West Farms they're looking at 45-60 minutes to backtrack to your route and then 65-90 minutes on your route to get where they're going (at which point they just say f**k it and keep taking the Bx15 or the  to the M60).

In a situation like that your best bet for a Bronx-LGA route would likely be this expanded Bx55 revival. It runs from Norwood-205 St on the north end to LGA on the south end via Bainbridge Av, Gun Hill Rd, Webster Av, 3 Av, and Astoria Blvd. Buses would stop at: 205 St/Bainbridge Av (first stop), Van Cortlandt Pk E/Bainbridge Av, Gunhill Rd/Bainbridge Av, Gunhill Rd/Webster Av, Bedford Park Bl/Webster Av, Fordham Plaza, 183 St/3 Av, 180 St/3 Av, Tremont Av/3 Av, Claremont Pkwy/3 Av, 168 St/3 Av, 163 St/3 Av,  156 St/3 Av, 149 St/3 Av, 138 St/Lincoln Av, 31 St/Astoria Bl, Steinway St/Astoria Bl, 77 St/Astoria Bl, 82 St/Astoria Bl,  87 St (SB only), 94 St (SB only), Terminal D, Terminal C, Terminal B and Terminal A.

Overall runtime would be a bit long; based off existing schedules I'd guess 15 mins from 205 St to Williamsbridge, 15 from Williamsbridge to Fordham Plaza, 40 from Fordham Plaza to Mott Haven, and then 35 from Mott Haven to the airport, bringing total runtime to about 100-120 minutes; that would put it in the same general ballpark as the Q44 and the old M5 as far as length goes. Providing service every 10 mins as a replacement for the Bx15 LTD requires about 30-35 buses, which is quite a lot. My first thought would be to split it between KB and CS and have rush hour put-ins and short-turns at Fordham Plaza as needed. 

Basically at that point the 3 Av corridor would have all-day limited-stop service to Queens, all-day limited-stop service to Manhattan as well, and then local service between Fordham Plaza and The Hub. I'd set headways on the Bx15LTD service and the Bx55LTD service to 10mins peak, 15 minutes off-peak, and then have the Bx15 local run every 5-8 minutes. That then gives you local and limited-stop service each coming every 5-8 minutes, and means you're now serving multiple markets. Airport workers living within walking distance of Webster Av and 3 Av now have a one-seat ride to LGA, the west Bronx has a time-competitive two-seat ride to LGA, and the 3 Av corridor has enough intra-Bronx ridership that a 3 Av limited service would be sustainable regardless of connections to other boroughs. That combo should provide more than enough ridership to justify the use of resources.

Honestly, if they do decommission Rikers and find a way through the water treatment plant, you could make demand by extending Hazen St from Q/Rikers to Costner or Barretto St if the City builds a new bridge.

Then an express bus or LTD/Rapid/SBS bus could work.

[B35 via Church]

20 hours ago, engineerboy6561 said:

The QBx3 is gonna carry air, and the QBx5 is gonna carry air, sit in horrendous traffic, and isn't actually allowed on Mosholu/Henry Hudson Parkways through Van Cortlandt Park.

 

The QBx4 might work, but I don't think your routing will work super well. Bay Plaza is already covered by the Q50, 222 St is entirely residential, White Plains Rd is a two-lane street under an el and prone to heavy traffic backups. You'd likely do a lot better running this as a Bx8 or Bx31 Limited along Willamsbridge Rd or Eastchester Rd, Westchester Av, and Zerega Av down to the bridge, and then Q50 stops into Main St before getting on the highway to LGA. Your overall runtime to Flushing would wind up somewhere around 65-75 minutes, and your overall runtime would likely hit 80-90 minutes, which is a bit high but workable. The question is whether you'd get the ridership running through the mid-Bronx to make the route worth it. I think you might, but I'm unsure. Just number it the Bx48 or Bx51 (depending on whether you do Willamsbridge or Eastchester Rd for the north Bronx segment) and maybe it'll work.

The QBx6 might work, but with rush hour traffic it will likely take about as long to do the nonstop stretch on the highway as it would to run as a 3 Av limited, which means you're giving up all sorts of ridership opportunities for not a ton of time gain.

@B35 via Church You'll probably find this interesting, and I'd like to get your thoughts on Bronx-LGA service.

Simply put, while I get that this is a *create your own bus route* thread, and while I do think there is a need for a Bronx - LGA route (Bx patrons shouldn't have to head down to & put up with 125th), I wouldn't create a new route in the Bronx for the purpose.... My sentiments are along the lines of @OrionVIIonM79's - extend the Bx41 SBS there & call it a day.... Either that, or have the Bx15 LTD do it (upon the creation of that MTA proposed M125)...

The routes in that link that this post of yours is in response to, doesn't integrate into the local bus network at all... Too much unnecessary highway time within the Bronx, before it ever leaves the borough.... Structuring LGA services as express bus routes to me, is an inefficient way of going about addressing the demand... It's why you have Jova42R asking OrionVII specifically about East & West Bronx riders seeking LGA....

Edited March 23, 2020 by B35 via Church

[Jova42R]

Here's a crazy off-the-top-of-my-head proposal:

Bx14 SBS:

Riverdale-Pelham

https://drive.google.com/open?id=16-gEcMlFK57sWtK0WXMabEi1nbLzpr-q&usp=sharing

@danig1220 @engineerboy6561 @B35 via Church thoughts?

Edited March 24, 2020 by Jova42R

[engineerboy6561]

18 hours ago, Jova42R said:

Here's a crazy off-the-top-of-my-head proposal:

Bx14 SBS:

Riverdale-Pelham

https://drive.google.com/open?id=16-gEcMlFK57sWtK0WXMabEi1nbLzpr-q&usp=sharing

@danig1220 @engineerboy6561 @B35 via Church thoughts?

The core of the route (Allerton Av LTD/SBS) is fine but the ends are unwise. You'll carry along Allerton Av, but that whole detour up to the golf courses and Pelham is gonna add 25-30 minutes to your runtime and will carry air the entire time. If you want to not end it at Earhart and Erskine then sending it to Pelham Bay Park should be fine (and would also leave open the option to serve Orchard Beach in the summer should you want it). The run up through the golf courses won't carry anyone, and Pelham is the sort of town that has a country club and most people drive, which means unless there's some sort of odd niche of Pelham commuters who need the  above 125 St you're not going to get any ridership from the RR station up there. I'd honestly suggest turning it at Pelham Bay Park on the east end if you're not satisfied with Earhart and Erskine.

On the western end, I wouldn't send that line down Heath Street or up the Kappock St turn, nor would I pull it off Bedford Park Blvd. I'd honestly send it either via Bedford Park Bl/Paul Av/Mosholu Pkwy/Van Cortlandt Pk W/Bailey Av to Target, or via Bedford Park Bl/Goulden Av/Reservoir Av/Sedgwick Av/Ft Independence St down to 238 St; of those two I'd prefer the routing to Target because of the one-seat ride that opens up between Target and Van Cortlandt Village/Tracy Towers. I also think that if you're going to add a crosstown LTD/SBS line above the Bx12, you're best off starting with the Bx28 because of the additional connections to Montefiore Hospital and the  train (Allerton Av only connects with the  at WPR, whereas Gun Hill Road connects with the  at Seymour Av and the  at Williamsbridge. Making the Bx28 a full-time limited making local stops west of Norwood/205 St wouldn't be a bad idea.

If you really want to link to Westchester County then you'd be better off extending the Bx31 to the casino via Kimball Av/Yonkers Av, but I'm not sure if that would really carry either (extending the 34 doesn't make much sense because you'd be heavily duplicating the 20).

Honestly, I really wish that Remix was free for hobbyists and came with municipal and ridership (plus anonymized Uber and Lyft) data preloaded for major cities and surrounding suburbs; that way you could actually get a sense for what parts of a route are going to be heavily loaded and which ones aren't; that way you could probably get real-time feedback on the quality of your new routes (even though the feedback wouldn't be perfect because the criterion used would likely be somewhat arbitrary, it would be enough for at least a start).

Edited March 24, 2020 by engineerboy6561

[Jova42R]

45 minutes ago, engineerboy6561 said:

The core of the route (Allerton Av LTD/SBS) is fine but the ends are unwise. You'll carry along Allerton Av, but that whole detour up to the golf courses and Pelham is gonna add 25-30 minutes to your runtime and will carry air the entire time. If you want to not end it at Earhart and Erskine then sending it to Pelham Bay Park should be fine (and would also leave open the option to serve Orchard Beach in the summer should you want it). The run up through the golf courses won't carry anyone, and Pelham is the sort of town that has a country club and most people drive, which means unless there's some sort of odd niche of Pelham commuters who need the  above 125 St you're not going to get any ridership from the RR station up there. I'd honestly suggest turning it at Pelham Bay Park on the east end if you're not satisfied with Earhart and Erskine.

On the western end, I wouldn't send that line down Heath Street or up the Kappock St turn, nor would I pull it off Bedford Park Blvd. I'd honestly send it either via Bedford Park Bl/Paul Av/Mosholu Pkwy/Van Cortlandt Pk W/Bailey Av to Target, or via Bedford Park Bl/Goulden Av/Reservoir Av/Sedgwick Av/Ft Independence St down to 238 St; of those two I'd prefer the routing to Target because of the one-seat ride that opens up between Target and Van Cortlandt Village/Tracy Towers. I also think that if you're going to add a crosstown LTD/SBS line above the Bx12, you're best off starting with the Bx28 because of the additional connections to Montefiore Hospital and the  train (Allerton Av only connects with the  at WPR, whereas Gun Hill Road connects with the  at Seymour Av and the  at Williamsbridge. Making the Bx28 a full-time limited making local stops west of Norwood/205 St wouldn't be a bad idea.

Ok, point taken. I've Revised the map:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RevmjGaiPdPA1jxrZMxFEZcWO965jMHf&usp=sharing

Better? @danig1220 @engineerboy6561

 

[engineerboy6561]

2 minutes ago, Jova42R said:

Ok, point taken. I've Revised the map:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RevmjGaiPdPA1jxrZMxFEZcWO965jMHf&usp=sharing

Better? @danig1220 @engineerboy6561

 

It's better, but I could see Fieldston and Spuyten Duyvil throwing a bloody fit at having buses roll through their neighborhoods. Also the streets you're looking to serve there are really narrow and winding; I'm unsure if a full 40' bus would fit on that little loop down Palisade Av. @Via Garibaldi 8 would probably know better than me how that one would go, but I suspect not well. Also, I'm not sure why you split the limited-stop service between Gun Hill Av and Burke Av the way you did; you'd be better off having a Gun Hill LTD serving Montefiore Hospital and Norwood, an Allerton Av LTD serving Bronx Science/Clinton/Lehman and Broadway, and then if Burke Av is in need of bus service maybe a local line from Dreiser Loop to Fordham Plaza via Co-op City Bl, Hammersley Av, Gun Hill Rd  station, Burke Av, White Plains Rd, Kazmiroff Blvd and Webster Av running every 20 mins as a trial.

[Jova42R]

13 minutes ago, engineerboy6561 said:

It's better, but I could see Fieldston and Spuyten Duyvil throwing a bloody fit at having buses roll through their neighborhoods.

Where? It's only routed down main thoroughfares

14 minutes ago, engineerboy6561 said:

Also the streets you're looking to serve there are really narrow and winding; I'm unsure if a full 40' bus would fit on that little loop down Palisade Av. @Via Garibaldi 8 would probably know better than me how that one would go, but I suspect not well.

I changed it - see map for new routing.

17 minutes ago, engineerboy6561 said:

Also, I'm not sure why you split the limited-stop service between Gun Hill Av and Burke Av the way you did;

Because Gun Hill gets clogged up with traffic.

Also, is the eastern end better?

[engineerboy6561]

17 minutes ago, Jova42R said:

Where? It's only routed down main thoroughfares

I changed it - see map for new routing.

Because Gun Hill gets clogged up with traffic.

Also, is the eastern end better?

Gotcha; 227 St is still a bit small, but it should produce less noise from the neighbors.

Gun Hill Rd is also where the ridership is; you'd be better off putting bus lanes on Gun Hill than trying to run the limited-stop service on Burke. Your eastern end is better, but I'd leave Orchard Beach service as a summer-only thing. I'm still not entirely sure how much ridership on the Riverdale section you're going to get (except maybe from people going to Bronx Science in the mornings), since 231 St is a more developed commercial area than 242 St and they have the Bx10 on 231 St. That said, people who commute up to central Westchester from the Bedford Park area might really like it because of the morning connection to the 3 and 1X down there. I'd honestly see the line mostly being split into an intra-Riverdale group (which might work but I don't see having much ridership except for kids going to and from BxSci) and then the rest of the line, which would probably carry pretty well.

Edited March 24, 2020 by engineerboy6561

[Jova42R]

7 minutes ago, engineerboy6561 said:

Gotcha; 227 St is still a bit small, but it should produce less noise from the neighbors.

Gun Hill Rd is also where the ridership is; you'd be better off putting bus lanes on Gun Hill than trying to run the limited-stop service on Burke. Your eastern end is better, but I'd leave Orchard Beach service as a summer-only thing. I'm still not entirely sure how much ridership on the Riverdale section you're going to get (except maybe from people going to Bronx Science in the mornings), since 231 St is a more developed commercial area than 242 St and they have the Bx10 on 231 St. That said, people who commute up to central Westchester might really like it because of the morning connection to the 3 and 1X down there. I'd honestly see the line mostly being split into an intra-Riverdale group (which might work but I don't see having much ridership except for kids going to and from BxSci) and then the rest of the line, which would probably carry pretty well.

Took your advice and changed it to run on Gun Hill. Is this better?

[engineerboy6561]

4 minutes ago, Jova42R said:

Took your advice and changed it to run on Gun Hill. Is this better?

If you're going to Gun Hill you don't want to drop down and cross over the park on Allerton; you're better off doing Gun Hill Rd all the way through to Montefiore Hospital and Norwood, then drop down to Target or Riverdale from there (mostly because a whole chunk of ridership is going to be coming and going around the hospital, and if you serve Bedford Park instead you're gonna miss it. You really ought to keep Gun Hill/Montefiore/Norwood on a corridor and Allerton/NYBG/Bedford Park on a corridor for efficiency and ridership reasons. If you wanted to run your limited bus via Gun Hill Rd/Bainbridge Av/Mosholu Pkwy/205 St/Paul Av/Sedgwick Av and then over to upstairs Riverdale or down to 231 St that would make a lot of sense (as would Allerton/Bedford Park Blvd/Paul Av/Sedgwick Av then to Riverdale or Target), but crossing the streams the way you did is going to cost you ridership and make your line less efficient.