YankeesPwnMets Posted September 6, 2010 Share #1 Posted September 6, 2010 I read on the site that the only runs one direction, to Manhattan during the morning and to Jamaica during the evenings. I have 2 questions: : Why don't the run both directions, because I could say first thing the local REALLY PISSES ME OFF! all stops is torture riding, so why doesn't the use skip stop both directions during the rush? : The runs R42s, and when it turns back, the front and back rollsigns change to , but the side stays as a . Shouldn't the run all the R42s so it doesn't need to change signs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted September 6, 2010 Share #2 Posted September 6, 2010 I read on the site that the only runs one direction, to Manhattan during the morning and to Jamaica during the evenings. I have 2 questions: : Why don't the run both directions, because I could say first thing the local REALLY PISSES ME OFF! all stops is torture riding, so why doesn't the use skip stop both directions during the rush? : The runs R42s, and when it turns back, the front and back rollsigns change to , but the side stays as a . Shouldn't the run all the R42s so it doesn't need to change signs? 1. The Jamaica Line has only 3 tracks, so the cannot run skip-stop in both directions, plus they would keep getting delayed by trains in front of them. The uses the local track and the use the middle track to go toward Manhattan during the AM rush and toward Queens in the PM rush. 2. There are not enough R42's for the to run all R42's because most have been replaced by the R160 A-1's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted September 6, 2010 Share #3 Posted September 6, 2010 The runs rush hours only because the MTA feels that there is very little demand for service in the other direction (everybody is going to Manhattan, not Jamaica). The trains go back to the East New York Yard so some trains return as trains, and then drop out at Broadway Junction. As far as the using R42s, I would assume it is because they only want to run them rush hours to put less wear on the cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted September 6, 2010 Share #4 Posted September 6, 2010 The runs rush hours only because the MTA feels that there is very little demand for service in the other direction (everybody is going to Manhattan, not Jamaica). The trains go back to the East New York Yard so some trains return as trains, and then drop out at Broadway Junction. As far as the using R42s, I would assume it is because they only want to run them rush hours to put less wear on the cars. Sometimes, the R42's are used on the , even on some weekends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted September 6, 2010 Share #5 Posted September 6, 2010 For the Z train, 1. can it just use 6 R160A-1s in the rush and all R42s on the and the all R160A-1s so it dont need to switch signs alot? 2. If its morning rush, can it run from Jamaica Center to 9 Av and then relay and go straight to Bway Junction. Bway Junction to 9 Av Station on the line and relay and stop at 9 Av and 36 St and run local stops to Court St and after Court St, it will follow its own route to jamaica Center in the PM hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 CNG Posted September 6, 2010 Share #6 Posted September 6, 2010 For some reason before the A.M. rush a Jamaica Center bound NIS R160 comes into Broadway Junction on the express tracks and then gets programmed into a local for the passengers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe C Posted September 6, 2010 Share #7 Posted September 6, 2010 For some reason before the A.M. rush a Jamaica Center bound NIS R160 comes into Broadway Junction on the express tracks and then gets programmed into a local for the passengers Some Z trains start their runs at Broadway Junction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bknightshadow45 Posted September 6, 2010 Share #8 Posted September 6, 2010 The train does run both directions during the rush. During the PM rush trains start their run at Broadway Junction and make local stops to Broad Street. Jamaica bound trains does make express stops and have skip stop service as listed on the schedules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeesPwnMets Posted September 6, 2010 Author Share #9 Posted September 6, 2010 The train does run both directions during the rush. During the PM rush trains start their run at Broadway Junction and make local stops to Broad Street. Jamaica bound trains does make express stops and have skip stop service as listed on the schedules. Really? ONE-WAY RUSH HOURS Train operates in one direction (to Manhattan 7-8:15 am, From Manhattan 4:55 - 5:45 pm) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R110B Posted September 6, 2010 Share #10 Posted September 6, 2010 Wirelessly posted via (Mozilla/5.0 (Danger hiptop 4.6; U; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050920) Its not meant to run on off hours there only just put in's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted September 6, 2010 Share #11 Posted September 6, 2010 2. If its morning rush, can it run from Jamaica Center to 9 Av and then relay and go straight to Bway Junction. Bway Junction to 9 Av Station on the line and relay and stop at 9 Av and 36 St and run local stops to Court St and after Court St, it will follow its own route to jamaica Center in the PM hours. Let's not go there. We've only talked the topic to death already about not sending Nassau Street trains down 4 Avenue. You can try to find those threads yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R110B Posted September 6, 2010 Share #12 Posted September 6, 2010 Wirelessly posted via (Mozilla/5.0 (Danger hiptop 4.6; U; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050920) Really? Yes but they only run halfway mornings in the opposite peak direction and pm Start at chauncey st broad st bound local and once it gets to jamaica it deadheads back to eny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted September 6, 2010 Share #13 Posted September 6, 2010 Wirelessly posted via (Mozilla/5.0 (Danger hiptop 4.7; U; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050920) Really? You think it deadheads from ENY Yard to Broad St and start there? Nope. Like they said, it actually starts from Bway Jct (or Chauncey St sometimes) and runs local to Broad St. Then it goes out as a regular to Jamaica then either goes back out as a or deadheads to ENY yard As for the morning, I'm not so sure but after leaving Broad St, it runs as a local all the way to Bway Jct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted September 7, 2010 Share #14 Posted September 7, 2010 Wirelessly posted via (Mozilla/5.0 (Danger hiptop 4.7; U; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050920) You think it deadheads from ENY Yard to Broad St and start there? Nope. Like they said, it actually starts from Bway Jct (or Chauncey St sometimes) and runs local to Broad St. Then it goes out as a regular to Jamaica then either goes back out as a or deadheads to ENY yard As for the morning, I'm not so sure but after leaving Broad St, it runs as a local all the way to Bway Jct The is ONE-WAY by definition. Therefore, even if they run in service westbound during the PM rush, they are (J)s. http://www.mta.info/nyct/service/pdf/tjnxt.pdf (page 3) 4:16 from Broadway Junction is not labeled as a . Neither are the next four B'way Jct. put-ins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel The Cool Posted September 7, 2010 Share #15 Posted September 7, 2010 The is ONE-WAY by definition. Therefore, even if they run in service westbound during the PM rush, they are (J)s.http://www.mta.info/nyct/service/pdf/tjnxt.pdf (page 3) 4:16 from Broadway Junction is not labeled as a . Neither are the next four B'way Jct. put-ins. Correction. When the put-ins starts they usually run local (especially if its an R42) then starts normal skip-stop service Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted September 7, 2010 Share #16 Posted September 7, 2010 Correction. When the put-ins starts they usually run local (especially if its an R42) then starts normal skip-stop service If they are going non-peak direction, then they are (J)s, NOT (Z)s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted September 7, 2010 Share #17 Posted September 7, 2010 Wirelessly posted via (Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 1.6; en-us; T-Mobile G1 Build/DMD64) AppleWebKit/528.5+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Mobile Safari/525.20.1) The is ONE-WAY by definition. Therefore, even if they run in service westbound during the PM rush, they are (J)s.http://www.mta.info/nyct/service/pdf/tjnxt.pdf (page 3) 4:16 from Broadway Junction is not labeled as a . Neither are the next four B'way Jct. put-ins. On the website its called a for pratical reasons but its actually a ...go to Bway Junction or Chauncey St at that time and they'll come in as (Z)s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeesPwnMets Posted September 7, 2010 Author Share #18 Posted September 7, 2010 If they are going non-peak direction, then they are (J)s, NOT (Z)s. Exactly. Saw a R42 with side signs as (Z)s, asked the C/R about it and he said it's a but the signs weren't changed at the terminals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted September 7, 2010 Share #19 Posted September 7, 2010 Wirelessly posted via (Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 1.6; en-us; T-Mobile G1 Build/DMD64) AppleWebKit/528.5+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Mobile Safari/525.20.1) Exactly. Saw a R42 with side signs as (Z)s, asked the C/R about it and he said it's a but the signs weren't changed at the terminals That one was most likely gonna leave Broad St as a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted September 7, 2010 Share #20 Posted September 7, 2010 Man all this (J)/(Z) talk going on, you guys sure are making him seem popular! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kacie Jane Posted September 7, 2010 Share #21 Posted September 7, 2010 1. The Jamaica Line has only 3 tracks, so the cannot run skip-stop in both directions, plus they would keep getting delayed by trains in front of them. The uses the local track and the use the middle track to go toward Manhattan during the AM rush and toward Queens in the PM rush. This is not the reason. (Like Checkmatechamp said, it's just demand.) Skip-stop service doesn't use the third track, it just stays on the local track and bypasses the station. (The skip-stop ran both directions even though Broadway also only has 2-3 tracks north of 137 Street.) Also, I doubt the is an issue. There are always going to be switching delays at Marcy Avenue since, like the in Brooklyn, it's not a flying junction. But the line itself isn't at capacity, and if the demand were there, they could easily run a few trains in the off-peak direction even with the all running on the same track. (Keep in mind all three already do run on the same track between Essex and Myrtle.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTOMan Posted September 8, 2010 Share #22 Posted September 8, 2010 Really? Take it from a TO who worked the and for two years yes really.. It operates in BOTH directions during the Rush Hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamousNYLover Posted September 8, 2010 Share #23 Posted September 8, 2010 I know how you feel but to me, both is always slow, even the . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJC Posted September 19, 2010 Share #24 Posted September 19, 2010 ^^I don't think the Z is slow.J local could be slow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriboroughBridge Posted September 20, 2010 Share #25 Posted September 20, 2010 1. The Jamaica Line has only 3 tracks, so the cannot run skip-stop in both directions, plus they would keep getting delayed by trains in front of them. The uses the local track and the use the middle track to go toward Manhattan during the AM rush and toward Queens in the PM rush. You are talking about west of Myrtle ave, thats express service. the question is about skip-stop service, east of myrtle ave. which the (J)/(Z) use the side local tracks east of myrtle ave but every other station is bypassed depending on the train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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