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My new subway fantasy map (using existing trackage)


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Hello folks, Jason here, long time lurker, first time poster.

I thought I'd get into this fantasy map game, but only using existing services. I've made 4 different service patterns, for rush hours, weekdays/evenings, weekends, and late nights. I am open to constructive criticisms and ideas for edits. Due to image restrictions, I will be using 4 posts in this thread so that the images can be segregated.

 

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WEEKDAYS

(A) 207th Street-Inwood, Manhattan - Lefferts Boulevard, Queens / Far Rockaway, Queens

8th Avenue Express, Fulton Express, Liberty Avenue Local / Rockaways Local

 

(:o 145th Street-Harlem, Manhattan - Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn

8th Avenue Local, 6th Avenue Express, 4th Avenue Express, West End Local

 

(C) 168th Street-Washington Heights, Manhattan - Euclid Avenue, Brooklyn

8th Avenue Local, Fulton Local

 

(D) 205th Street-Norwood, The Bronx - Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn

Concourse Local, 8th Avenue Express, 6th Avenue Express, Brighton Local

 

(E) Jamaica Center-Parsons/Archer, Queens - World Trade Center, Manhattan

Queens Boulevard Express, 53rd Street Local, 8th Avenue Local

 

(F) 179th Street-Jamaica, Queens - Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn

Queens Boulevard Express - 53rd Street Local, 6th Avenue Local, Culver Local

 

(G) Queens Plaza, Queens - Church Avenue, Brooklyn

Crosstown Local, Culver Local

 

(J) Jamaica Center-Parsons/Archer, Queens - Broad Street, Manhattan

Jamaica Local, Nassau Street Local

 

(L) Canarsie-Rockaway Parkway, Queens - 8th Avenue/14th Street, Manhattan

Canarsie Local, 14th Street Local

 

(Mx) Metropolitan Avenue-Middle Village, Queens - 9th Avenue, Brooklyn

Myrtle Avenue Local, Jamaica Local, Nassau Street Local, 4th Avenue Local

 

(N) Astoria-Ditmars Boulevard, Queens - Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn

Astoria Local, Broadway Express, (via Manhattan Bridge), 4th Avenue Express, Sea Beach Local

 

(Q6Av) Forest Hills - 71st Avenue, Queens - Brighton Beach, Brooklyn

Queens Boulevard Local, 63rd Street Local, 6th Avenue Express, Brighton Express

 

(R) Forest Hills - 71st Avenue, Queens - Bay Ridge-95th Street, Brooklyn

Queens Boulevard Local, Broadway Local, Fourth Avenue Local

 

(1) 242nd Street - Van Cortlandt Park, The Bronx - South Ferry, Manhattan

Broadway Local, 7th Avenue Local

 

(2) 241st Street-Wakefield, The Bronx - Flatbush Avenue-Brooklyn College, Brooklyn

White Plains Road Local, Broadway Express, 7th Avenue Express, Eastern Parkway Local, Nostrand Avenue Local

 

(3) 148th Street-Lenox Terminal, Manhattan - New Lots Avenue, Brooklyn

7th Avenue Express, Eastern Parkway Local

 

(4) Woodlawn, The Bronx - Utica Avenue, Brooklyn

Jerome Avenue Local, Lexington Avenue Express, Eastern Parkway Express

 

(5) Dyre Avenue, The Bronx - Bowling Green, Manhattan

Dyre Avenue Local, White Plains Road Local, Lexington Avenue Express

 

(6) Pelham Bay Park, The Bronx - Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, Manhattan

Pelham Local, Lexington Avenue Local

 

(7) Flushing-Main Street, Queens - Times Square, Manhattan

Flushing Local, 42nd Street Local

 

(S) Grand Central, Manhattan - Times Square, Manhattan

42nd Street Shuttle

 

(S) Franklin Avenue, Brooklyn, Prospect Park, Brooklyn

Franklin Avenue Shuttle

 

(S) Broad Channel, Queens - Rockaway Park-Beach 116th Street, Queens

Rockaway Park Shuttle

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RUSH HOURS

(A) 207th Street-Inwood, Manhattan - Far Rockaway, Queens

8th Avenue Express, Fulton Express, Rockaways Local

 

<A> 207th Street-Inwood, Manhattan - Rockaway Park-Beach 116th Street, Queens

8th Avenue Express, Fulton Express, Rockaways Local

 

(:o 168th Street-Washington Heights, Manhattan - Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn

8th Avenue Local, 6th Avenue Express, 4th Avenue Express, West End Local

 

(C) 168th Street-Washington Heights, Manhattan, World Trade Center, Manhattan

8th Avenue Local

 

<C> 205th Street-Norwood, The Bronx - Lefferts Boulevard, Queens

Concourse Express, 8th Avenue Local, Fulton Local, Liberty Avenue Local

 

(D) 205th Street-Norwood, The Bronx - Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn

Concourse Local, 8th Avenue Express, 6th Avenue Express, Brighton Local

 

(E) Jamaica Center-Parsons/Archer, Queens - World Trade Center, Manhattan

Queens Boulevard Express, 53rd Street Local, 8th Avenue Local

 

(F) 179th Street-Jamaica, Queens - Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn

Queens Boulevard Express - 53rd Street Local, 6th Avenue Local, Culver Local

 

<F> 179th Street-Jamaica, Queens - Kings Highway, Brooklyn

Queens Boulevard Express - 53rd Street Local, 6th Avenue Local, Culver Express

 

(G) Queens Plaza, Queens - Church Avenue, Brooklyn

Crosstown Local, Culver Local

 

(J) Jamaica Center-Parsons/Archer, Queens - Broad Street, Manhattan

Jamaica Local, Nassau Street Local

 

(L) Canarsie-Rockaway Parkway, Queens - 8th Avenue/14th Street, Manhattan

Canarsie Local, 14th Street Local

 

(Mx) Metropolitan Avenue-Middle Village, Queens - Bay Parkway, Brooklyn

Myrtle Avenue Local, Jamaica Local, Nassau Street Local, 4th Avenue Local, West End Local

 

(N) Astoria-Ditmars Boulevard, Queens - Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn

Astoria Local, Broadway Express, (via Manhattan Bridge), 4th Avenue Express, Sea Beach Local

 

(Q6Av) Forest Hills - 71st Avenue, Queens - Brighton Beach, Brooklyn

Queens Boulevard Local, 63rd Street Local, 6th Avenue Express, Brighton Express

 

(R) Forest Hills - 71st Avenue, Queens - Bay Ridge-95th Street, Brooklyn

Queens Boulevard Local, Broadway Local, Fourth Avenue Local

 

(W) 57th Street-7th Avenue, Manhattan - Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn

Broadway Express, (via Manhattan Bridge), 4th Avenue Express, Sea Beach Express

 

(1) 242nd Street - Van Cortlandt Park, The Bronx - South Ferry, Manhattan

Broadway Local, 7th Avenue Local

 

(2) 241st Street-Wakefield, The Bronx - Flatbush Avenue-Brooklyn College, Brooklyn

White Plains Road Local, Broadway Express, 7th Avenue Express, Eastern Parkway Local, Nostrand Avenue Local

 

(3) 148th Street-Lenox Terminal, Manhattan - New Lots Avenue, Brooklyn

7th Avenue Express, Eastern Parkway Local

 

(4) Woodlawn, The Bronx - Utica Avenue, Brooklyn

Jerome Avenue Local, Lexington Avenue Express, Eastern Parkway Express

 

(5) Dyre Avenue, The Bronx - Bowling Green, Manhattan

Dyre Avenue Local, White Plains Road Local, Lexington Avenue Express

 

<5> 241st Street-Wakefield, The Bronx - Flatbush Avenue-Brooklyn College, Brooklyn

White Plains Road Express, Lexington Avenue Express, Eastern Parkway Express, Nostrand Avenue Local

 

(6) Parkchester, The Bronx - Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, Manhattan

Pelham Express, Lexington Avenue Local

 

<6> Pelham Bay Park, The Bronx - Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, Manhattan

Pelham Local, Lexington Avenue Local

 

(7) Flushing-Main Street, Queens - Times Square, Manhattan

Flushing Local, 42nd Street Local

 

<7> Flushing-Main Street, Queens - Times Square, Manhattan

Flushing Express, 42nd Street Local

 

(9) 242nd Street - Van Cortlandt Park, The Bronx - South Ferry, Manhattan

Broadway Express, 7th Avenue Local

 

(S) Grand Central, Manhattan - Times Square, Manhattan

42nd Street Shuttle

 

(S) Franklin Avenue, Brooklyn, Prospect Park, Brooklyn

Franklin Avenue Shuttle

 

(S) Broad Channel, Queens - Rockaway Park-Beach 116th Street, Queens

Rockaway Park Shuttle

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WEEKENDS

(A) 207th Street-Inwood, Manhattan - Far Rockaway, Queens

8th Avenue Express, Fulton Express, Rockaways Local

 

(:o 145th Street-Harlem, Manhattan - Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn

8th Avenue Local, 6th Avenue Express, 4th Avenue Express, West End Local

 

(C) 168th Street-Washington Heights, Manhattan - Lefferts Boulevard, Queens

8th Avenue Local, Fulton Local, Liberty Avenue Local

 

(D) 205th Street-Norwood, The Bronx - Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn

Concourse Local, 8th Avenue Express, 6th Avenue Express, Brighton Local

 

(E) Jamaica Center-Parsons/Archer, Queens - World Trade Center, Manhattan

Queens Boulevard Express, 53rd Street Local, 8th Avenue Local

 

(F) 179th Street-Jamaica, Queens - Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn

Queens Boulevard Express - 53rd Street Local, 6th Avenue Local, Culver Local

 

(G) Forest Hills-71st Avenue, Queens - Church Avenue, Brooklyn

Queens Boulevard Local, Crosstown Local, Culver Local

 

(J) Jamaica Center-Parsons/Archer, Queens - Chambers Street, Manhattan

Jamaica Local, Nassau Street Local

 

(L) Canarsie-Rockaway Parkway, Queens - 8th Avenue/14th Street, Manhattan

Canarsie Local, 14th Street Local

 

(Mx) Metropolitan Avenue-Middle Village, Queens - 9th Avenue, Brooklyn

Myrtle Avenue Local, Jamaica Local, Nassau Street Local, 4th Avenue Local

 

(N) Astoria-Ditmars Boulevard, Queens - Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn

Astoria Local, Broadway Local, (via Manhattan Bridge), Fourth Avenue Express, Sea Beach Local

 

(Q6Av) Forest Hills - 71st Avenue, Queens - Brighton Beach, Brooklyn

Queens Boulevard Local, 63rd Street Local, 6th Avenue Express, Brighton Local

 

(R) Forest Hills - 71st Avenue, Queens - Bay Ridge-95th Street, Brooklyn

Queens Boulevard Local, Broadway Local, Fourth Avenue Local

 

(1) 242nd Street - Van Cortlandt Park, The Bronx - South Ferry, Manhattan

Broadway Local, 7th Avenue Local

 

(2) 241st Street-Wakefield, The Bronx - Flatbush Avenue-Brooklyn College, Brooklyn

White Plains Road Local, Broadway Express, 7th Avenue Express, Eastern Parkway Local, Nostrand Avenue Local

 

(3) 148th Street-Lenox Terminal, Manhattan - New Lots Avenue, Brooklyn

7th Avenue Express, Eastern Parkway Local

 

(4) Woodlawn, The Bronx - Utica Avenue, Brooklyn

Jerome Avenue Local, Lexington Avenue Express, Eastern Parkway Express

 

(5) Dyre Avenue, The Bronx - Bowling Green, Manhattan

Dyre Avenue Local, White Plains Road Local, Lexington Avenue Express

 

(6) Pelham Bay Park, The Bronx - Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, Manhattan

Pelham Local, Lexington Avenue Local

 

(7) Flushing-Main Street, Queens - Times Square, Manhattan

Flushing Local, 42nd Street Local

 

(S) Grand Central, Manhattan - Times Square, Manhattan

42nd Street Shuttle

 

(S) Franklin Avenue, Brooklyn, Prospect Park, Brooklyn

Franklin Avenue Shuttle

 

(S) Broad Channel, Queens - Rockaway Park-Beach 116th Street, Queens

Rockaway Park Shuttle

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LATE NIGHTS

(A) 207th Street-Inwood, Manhattan - Lefferts Boulevard, Queens

8th Avenue Express, Fulton Local, Liberty Avenue Local

 

(:o Pacific Street, Brooklyn - Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn

Fourth Avenue Local, West End Local

 

(C) 168th Street-Washington Heights, Manhattan, World Trade Center, Manhattan

8th Avenue Local

 

(D) 205th Street-Norwood, The Bronx - Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn

Concourse Local, 8th Avenue Express, 6th Avenue Express, Brighton Local

 

(E) Jamaica Center-Parsons/Archer, Queens - World Trade Center, Manhattan

Queens Boulevard Local, 53rd Street Local, 8th Avenue Local

 

(F) 179th Street-Jamaica, Queens - Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn

Queens Boulevard Express - 53rd Street Local, 6th Avenue Local, Culver Local

 

(G) Forest Hills-71st Avenue, Queens - Church Avenue, Brooklyn

Queens Boulevard Local, Crosstown Local, Culver Local

 

(H) Euclid Avenue, Brooklyn - Far Rockaway, Queens

Liberty Avenue Local, Rockaways Local

 

(J) Jamaica Center-Parsons/Archer, Queens - Broad Street, Manhattan

Jamaica Local, Nassau Street Local

 

(L) Canarsie-Rockaway Parkway, Queens - 8th Avenue/14th Street, Manhattan

Canarsie Local, 14th Street Local

 

(Mx) Metropolitan Avenue-Middle Village, Queens - Myrtle Avenue, Brooklyn

Myrtle Avenue Local

 

(N) Astoria-Ditmars Boulevard, Queens - Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn

Astoria Local, Broadway Local, (via Montague Street Tunnel), Fourth Avenue Express, Sea Beach Local

 

(Q6Av) Forest Hills - 71st Avenue, Queens - Brighton Beach, Brooklyn

Queens Boulevard Local, 63rd Street Local, 6th Avenue Express, Brighton Local

 

(R) 36th Street, Brooklyn - 95th Street-Bay Ridge, Brooklyn

Fourth Avenue Local

 

(1) 242nd Street - Van Cortlandt Park, The Bronx - South Ferry, Manhattan

Broadway Local, 7th Avenue Local

 

(2) 241st Street-Wakefield, The Bronx - Flatbush Avenue-Brooklyn College, Brooklyn

White Plains Road Local, Broadway Local, 7th Avenue Local, Eastern Parkway Local, Nostrand Avenue Local

 

(3) 148th Street-Lenox Terminal, Manhattan - 14th Street/7th Avenue, Manhattan

7th Avenue Express

 

(4) Woodlawn, The Bronx - New Lots Avenue, Brooklyn

Jerome Avenue Local, Lexington Avenue Local, Eastern Parkway Local

 

(5) Dyre Avenue, The Bronx - East 180th Street, The Bronx

Dyre Avenue Local

 

(6) Pelham Bay Park, The Bronx - Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, Manhattan

Pelham Local, Lexington Avenue Local

 

(7) Flushing-Main Street, Queens - Times Square, Manhattan

Flushing Local, 42nd Street Local

 

(S) Franklin Avenue, Brooklyn, Prospect Park, Brooklyn

Franklin Avenue Shuttle

 

(S) Broad Channel, Queens - Rockaway Park-Beach 116th Street, Queens

Rockaway Park Shuttle

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There is no need for the Pre-911 routes. The only reason they existed was the southern tracks for the (N) and the (Q) train were closed. That's why the (:o, (D), (Q6Av) existed. When they were closed the only way for the Brighton Local to exist was to cross the northern section of the Manhattan Bridge. When the Northern Section was closed the (W), (Q), <Q> existed. Although the (Mx) is back there should be a new service that's local on Sixth Avenue. Why would three services share the same track on the Manhattan Bridge there would be only delays. Also the (C) is long as it already is. The only thing that this would do is bring back pre-911 memories. Not benefit most transit riders. Although I do remember the (:) on the West End there is no need the (D) is doing a good job. Although the map I lived with when I was young was interesting there's no need for it to be brought back. Also this is why the (B), (D), (N), (Q) uses the Manhattan Bridge today.

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Yeah I agree with you, also there's too many services on Queens Blvd on weekends. also the (Mx) is not needed after rush hours on 4th avenue. the (R) can handle it, also the (W) is not needed on the sea beach line, it does not get that crowded. also why does the Bway line only has 3 services, but most of the time why is it two services? the Bway line must have at least three or four services like the (N)(R)(W) weekdays, since you have the (Q6Av) running though Queens Blvd which is not needed. why is the (G) terminating at Queens plaza weekdays? it's not really needed, also that would cause lots of delays on the forest hills bound (R) & on the Manhattan bound (E)(F)(R) trains trying to switch. the only way you could terminate it there, is if you make it under the current Queens plaza station so it cant not cause delays.

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I agree with the above. There's a few problems here.

 

  1. I don't see why the Q should go back to 6th Avenue. It's just going to cause delays on the 6th Ave express with three trains there, and it woefully underserves the Broadway line. Plus, with the (:o(D)(Q6Av) on the north side of Manny B and just the (N) on the south side, you're unbalancing the bridge again which (I think) would probably just lead to problems a couple decades down the road.
  2. I don't understand why there are 3 trains running on the Queens Blvd local weekends and late nights. While I'm guessing since it's off-hours the trains run less often so you'd be able to fit 3 trains there, the point of having them run less often is that there's not enough demand for more service. Two trains (or one that runs often enough) is plenty. At the very least, have the (E) stay express when there's something else running local.
  3. I don't think the (C) is particularly needed during late nights, but if it is running, there's no reason not to give Fulton Street local and express service, too. Also, the reason the (A) runs to Far Rockaway 24/7 rather than Lefferts is to serve the Airport, so I would change the (A) and (H) back.
  4. With the (C) and (D) on the Concourse Line, it doesn't make any sense to have the C run Concourse express and CPW local and the D Concourse local and CPW express. It doesn't do any good to get people to 145th St faster only to get passed by the (D) on the way to 59th.
  5. Likewise, why does the (Q6Av) run Queens Blvd local and 6th Ave express and the (F) run Queens Blvd express and 6th Ave local? You could solve both this problem and the overcrowding at 53rd/Lexington (the (M)(V) local runs via 53rd and the (F) express via 63rd so that crowds are distributed more evenly) by switching the (F) and (Q6Av) in Queens.

 

Anyway, that's all for now. It's a good-looking map, it's just missing that extra dose of logic in a couple of places.

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Hey all. Thank you for your comments. I do admit that yes, this is in part inspired by nostalgia, but that's the beauty part of why it's a fantasy map. I can indulge, and logic be damned! Some good points were raised which I would like to address.

 

The (Q6Av) on 6th Avenue is part nostalgia, but also relates to how the 63rd Street Line might have operated had the full line past Queensbridge been built. The other scenario I had in mind involves the Second Avenue Line being operation. With the (Q6Av) on 6th Avenue and the (R) on Broadway, Queens Blvd customers have a choice of lines for Manhattan. If the Second Avenue Line was open, I would have the (Q6Av) go north and the (V) run via 63rd Street instead. Option 2 (or 3?) would be to have the (V) run up to Harlem, so UES/Harlem residents have a subway link to Midtown/the LES until the next stages of the (T) open. Alternatively, the (W) could run north onward to Forest Hills via 63rd Street, either as express or local on Queens Blvd. Thoughts?

 

The (E) currently runs local late nights, and AFAIK it ran that way when the (G) was running on Queens Blvd. Even if it were just the (Q6Av) and the (R), then I would at least run the (G) to Queens Plaza and use the pocket track turnaround. I confess I don't know how many cars will fit on the pocket track, but I believe it is six.

 

I wanted to keep (C) service late nights, at least running as the (K) did. I considered running the 168-WTC services RH/nights as (K) trains, with the <C> running express on 8th Avenue and local on Fulton. The thing I thought with the (A) was the distance across the bay would lengthen the time period between trains, and running the (A) just to Lefferts would increase the frequency. Besides, there aren't many travelling late nights to the airport via the subway, at least not as many as during other periods, so I made the (H) run to the Rockaways for that reason. As for the <C> on Concourse, with the (C) running express it does call for a transfer for stations 59th to 145th, but it gives Bronx customers fast access to the 8th and 6th Avenue lines.

 

I wanted to return the (F) to 53rd street as it's always seemed to me more handy for commuters to travel right to Midtown Central rather than via the northern route, but switching the (F) and (Q6Av) would make the frequencies less even. I won't explain distribution, you can figure that out for yourself, but I doubt that the overcrowding would be much greater, if noticeable, and you are giving customers at local stations the option of a express on Sixth and local on Broadway, both not too far away from each other geographically.

 

The (Mx) is both nostalgia but also convenience; offering West End commuters a link to the Financial District. I had thought about sending it straight to Coney Island. As for the (W), I wanted to run it like a Banker's Special, but into Midtown. I could send it to Brighton Beach, but trains couldn't lay up on the express tracks without reversing back down to Ocean Parkway.

 

I should also note that the (Z) train runs express in one direction and local the other way as a (J). The map doesn't make that clear.

 

I will make new updated maps, but it will take me some time: I'm not using MS Paint but rather a clone of it for Mac which is GODDAMN HARD to use. Photoshop is also quite fiddly, but I may use it if I'm doing a LOT of work. Also, I don't have internet access at home where I am, so replies will be delayed.

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By all means, feel free to indulge, and of course you can damn logic in a fantasy map. :( Just be aware that (B) service is probably going to get shafted when you try to squeeze 3 express trains back onto 6th Ave.

 

(Then again, you could probably cut the (B) altogether with not too many ill effects...)

 

Here's a couple of responses to your responses...

 

 

  1. If you keep the (Q6Av) on 6th Avenue, I think you should still add another Broadway express to take its place -- either the (W), or if you want to keep it as a rush-hour local, a new (P) train. You could run it from Astoria, 57th/7th, or 2nd Avenue to somewhere in Brooklyn.
  2. The (C) express in the Bronx still doesn't make sense. It doesn't do any good to get people to 145th Street faster if they just have to transfer. With the (D) express, if Bronx customers want 6th Avenue, they're set, and if they want 8th Avenue, they transfer to the (A). If you make the (C) express, Bronx customers would have to transfer no matter what - or enjoy a slow journey down CPW. (Plus, by switching the C from the express to the local - and vice versa for the D - at 145th, there's going to be unnecessary delays.
  3. The issue with terminating the (G) at Queens Plaza isn't that you can't - the pocket track is still there, so it is possible. It's that it would delay the other Queens Blvd trains by switching in and out of that pocket track.
  4. The 1990 map I have has the (E) running express on Queens Blvd late nights and the (G) running local to 179th Street. Reason being that the (F) was running to 21st-Queensbridge, since the (B) and (Q6Av) were daytime only lines. After the Manhattan Bridge and 63rd Street construction, the (F) could run to Jamaica 24/7, so the (G) was cut back to Court Square and the (E) took over local service. So I think one express and one local late nights is plenty, but if you're having the (Q6Av) run 24/7, then I think the (E) should be running express.

 

 

Otherwise, thanks for explaining. I see where you're going with this, and it's pretty cool.

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  • 1 month later...

Behold! After a long hiatus, version 2.0. I have done some revamping of the map in accordance with some of your suggestions.

 

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(1) 7th Avenue Local

242nd St/Van Cortlandt Park, Bronx - South Ferry, Manhattan

All Times

 

(2) 7th Avenue Express, Eastern Parkway Local

241st St/Wakefield, Bronx - Flatbush Avenue, Brooklyn

All Times

Late Nights Local on 7th Avenue

 

(3) 7th Avenue Express, Eastern Parkway Local

148th St/Lenox Terminal, Manhattan - New Lots Avenue, Brooklyn

All Times except Late Nights

Late Nights terminates at 14th St/7th Avenue

 

(4) Lexington Avenue Express, Eastern Parkway Express

Woodlawn, Bronx - Utica Avenue, Brooklyn

All Times

Late Nights Local on Lex Av / Eastern Pkwy, extended to New Lots Av

 

(5) Lexington Avenue Express

Eastchester/Dyre Av, Bronx - Bowling Green, Manhattan

All Times except Late Nights

Late Nights Dyre Avenue Shuttle (Eastchester/Dyre Av - East 180th St)

 

<5> Lexington Avenue Express, Eastern Parkway Express

241st St/Wakefield, Bronx - Flatbush Avenue, Brooklyn

Rush Hours Only

 

(6) Pelham Local, Lexington Avenue Local

Pelham Bay Park, Bronx - Brooklyn Bridge, Manhattan

All Times except Rush Hours

Rush Hours terminates at Parkchester/E 177th St, Bronx

 

<6> Pelham Express, Lexington Avenue Local

Pelham Bay Park, Bronx - Brooklyn Bridge, Manhattan

Rush Hours only

 

(7) Flushing Local

Main St/Flushing, Queens - Times Square, Manhattan

All Times

 

<7> Flushing Express

Main St/Flushing, Queens - Times Square, Manhattan

Rush Hours Only (Peak Direction Only)

 

(9) Broadway Express

242 St/Van Cortlandt Park, Bronx - South Ferry, Manhattan

Rush Hours Only (Peak Direction Only)

 

(A) 8th Avenue Express, Fulton Express

207 St/Inwood, Manhattan - Lefferts Blvd/Rockaways, Queens

All Times

Rush Hour special service to Rockaway Park

Weekends to Rockaways only

Late Nights Local on Fulton, to Lefferts Blvd only

 

(:P 6th Avenue Express, West End Express

168th Street, Manhattan - Coney Island, Brooklyn

All Times

Late nights Local on West End

 

(C) 8th Avenue Local, Fulton Local

168th Street, Manhattan - Euclid Avenue, Brooklyn

Rush Hours express (peak direction) to 205th St/Norwood, Bronx

Late Nights terminates at WTC, Manhattan

Weekends extended to Lefferts Blvd, Queens

 

(D) 6th Avenue Express, Brighton Local

205th St/Norwood, Bronx - Coney Island, Brooklyn

All Times

 

(E) Queens Blvd Express, 8th Avenue Local

Jamaica Center, Queens - WTC, Manhattan

All Times

Rush Hours some trains to 179th St/Jamaica, Queens

 

(F) Queens Blvd Express, 6th Avenue Local, Culver Local

179th St/Jamaica, Queens - Coney Island, Brooklyn

All Times

Rush Hour peak direction express service on Culver Line

 

(G) Queens Blvd Local, Crosstown Local

Court Square, Queens - Church Avenue, Brooklyn

All Times

Late Nights/Weekends extended to 71st St/Continental Av, Queens

 

(H) Rockaways Local

Euclid Avenue, Brooklyn - Far Rockaway, Queens

Late Nights Only

 

(J) Jamaica Local, Nassau Street Local

Jamaica Center, Queens - Broad Street, Manhattan

All Times

Weekends terminates at Chambers Street

 

(L) Canarsie Local

14th St/8th Av, Manhattan - Canarsie, Queens

All Times

 

(Mx) Myrtle Avenue Local, Nassau Street Local, West End Local

Metropolitan Avenue, Queens - 9th Avenue, Brooklyn

All Times

Rush Hours extended to Bay Parkway

Late Nights Myrtle Avenue Shuttle

 

(N) Broadway Local, 4th Avenue Express, Sea Beach Local

Astoria/Ditmars Blvd, Queens - Coney Island, Brooklyn

All Times

Late Nights/Weekends via Montague St, other times via Manhattan Bridge

 

(Q6Av) Queens Blvd Local, 6th Avenue Express, Brighton Express

71st St/Continental Av, Queens - Brighton Beach, Brooklyn

All Times

Late nights local on Brighton Line

 

 

(R) Queens Blvd Local, Broadway Local, 4th Avenue Local

71st St/Continental Av, Queens - 95th St/Bay Ridge, Brooklyn

All Times

Late Nights Bay Ridge Shuttle (36th Street-95th Street, Brooklyn)

 

(W) Broadway Express, 4th Avenue Express, Sea Beach Express

Astoria/Ditmars Blvd, Queens - Coney Island, Brooklyn

All Times except Weekends

 

(Z) Jamaica Express, Nassau Street Local

Jamaica Center, Queens - Broad Street, Manhattan

Rush Hours only (peak direction only)

 

(Incidentally, I can't seem to enlarge the original image within it so apologies for that in advance.)

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Guest lance25

Don't take this the wrong way, but what's with the 1998 service patterns? Return of the (9), no Broadway service on Brighton, both the (E) and (F) via 53rd Street; it just seems like a step backwards, rather than an improvement.

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he's traped in the past. If some people had thier way, I'd be riding the LL and AA to school on monday.

 

This is the reason they don't let us pick the routes for the subway lines.

 

I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of my Blind Melon records and the fizz of my Crystal Pepsi.

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Hey all. Thank you for your comments. I do admit that yes, this is in part inspired by nostalgia, but that's the beauty part of why it's a fantasy map. I can indulge, and logic be damned! Some good points were raised which I would like to address.

 

The (Q6Av) on 6th Avenue is part nostalgia, but also relates to how the 63rd Street Line might have operated had the full line past Queensbridge been built. The other scenario I had in mind involves the Second Avenue Line being operation. With the (Q6Av) on 6th Avenue and the (R) on Broadway, Queens Blvd customers have a choice of lines for Manhattan. If the Second Avenue Line was open, I would have the (Q6Av) go north and the (V) run via 63rd Street instead. Option 2 (or 3?) would be to have the (V) run up to Harlem, so UES/Harlem residents have a subway link to Midtown/the LES until the next stages of the (T) open. Alternatively, the (W) could run north onward to Forest Hills via 63rd Street, either as express or local on Queens Blvd. Thoughts?

 

I'm sorry, but the 1990s-era service patterns is the worst era to have nostalgia. There is absolutely no reason to resurrect the (Q6Av), the Broadway Line with only the (N) and the (R), the (9), the (B) via West End, the (D) via Brighton Local or the (F) in the 53rd St Tunnel. Can we pleeeeaaaaase leave these services in the past where they belong? Why do so many people on this message board want them to come back? There are real, valid reasons for why these 1990s service patterns no longer exist and why they should not come back.

 

Bringing back the (V) and (W) is good, but there is no need for a (Q6Av) anymore. But the (W) should be the Broadway Local and the (N) the Broadway Express.

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I understand this is a fantasy map but just my input:

Okay in terms of the (9) I can understand it from the standpoint of nostlagia and that taking the (1) from Upper Manhattan/The Bronx can be unbearable in terms of commute time (That skip stop service was one of my favorite aspects of the TA growing up). But theres no way it'd be functional only stopping at 137, 168 Dyckman and 242. The ridership would be way off having the train dump 1st at 168 and then be completely empty after Dyckman. Express to Dyckman is fine but anything north of that is overkill. If its gonna happen it'd need to be done like the 6 with locals ending at Dyckman, then you'd need a 3rd track north of 145 (which I really dont get why they didnt put one in the 1st place).

 

With the (C) and (D) in the Bronx, 205 st was never meant to be a terminal and has issues now properly turning the (D), hence why the (B) ends (and the C in the past) at Bedford Park. Wouldn't work with 2 lines terminating there. As for the (C) being the Bronx express, I'll give you a few reasons for why that'd be a major fail: The (D) has higher ridership, more people want 6th Ave because it's directly in the middle plus you have the (A), as it stands the Bx Exp service is horrible, you'd be taking two cars away from already sketchy service which would increase crowding, there'd be delays at 145 and no ones going to want to get on an express in an outer borough thats going local in Manhattan (like other people said).

 

The (5) was sent to BK middays for a reason, turning at Bowling Green delays service on the (4) and took stress of the latter as the Eastern Pkwy express. The <6> good luck with rush hour only service.

 

Stillwell + 5 services = Nightmare

 

The whole issue with the (Mx) was the fact that no one was really using it. Taking the (D) to Pacific and the (R) does the same thing, and you could just beef up service on both lines and everyone would benefit.

 

I was really trying to avoid saying something about the (Q6Av) but you have it running via 63rd and local in Queens, which means the already miserable (R) is gonna suffer from another train getting priority over it.

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If it had been one of us, that probibly would have been the V train.

 

Actually, wasn't the original idea to leave it as the (V) by the MTA? If anything it was the residents on the (Mx) end that bitched about the letter that forced the MTA to change it to the (M). I think certain railfans were foaming with joy when the MTA bowed down to the demands of the (M).

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Actually, wasn't the original idea to leave it as the (V) by the MTA? If anything it was the residents on the (Mx) end that bitched about the letter that forced the MTA to change it to the (M). I think certain railfans were foaming with joy when the MTA bowed down to the demands of the (M).

 

Yes the (V) designation was supposed to be kept. I find the recoloring on the (Mx) stupid as the number of stations that had (V) outnumbered the number of station that had (Mx). While what's done is done it would have made more sense just to leave the (V) designations instead of reprogramming a whole bunch of NTTs just for a letter. For goodness sakes it's only a letter.

 

Four months later I don't even care anymore about the new line as I have no use for it. I don't live near it, and the equipment it uses isn't even interesting to even bother railfanning it.

 

I'll leave it at that.

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Yes the (V) designation was supposed to be kept. I find the recoloring on the (Mx) stupid as the number of stations that had (V) outnumbered the number of station that had (Mx). While what's done is done it would have made more sense just to leave the (V) designations instead of reprogramming a whole bunch of NTTs just for a letter. For goodness sakes it's only a letter.

 

Four months later I don't even care anymore about the new line as I have no use for it. I don't live near it, and the equipment it uses isn't even interesting to even bother railfanning it.

 

I'll leave it at that.

 

Imagine if they removed the (A) train. There would be a riot! Billy Strayhorn's masterpiece "Take the A Train" would have no meaning anymore.

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