harpomarx42 Posted September 7, 2010 Share #1 Posted September 7, 2010 Hello folks, Jason here, long time lurker, first time poster. I thought I'd get into this fantasy map game, but only using existing services. I've made 4 different service patterns, for rush hours, weekdays/evenings, weekends, and late nights. I am open to constructive criticisms and ideas for edits. Due to image restrictions, I will be using 4 posts in this thread so that the images can be segregated. WEEKDAYS 207th Street-Inwood, Manhattan - Lefferts Boulevard, Queens / Far Rockaway, Queens 8th Avenue Express, Fulton Express, Liberty Avenue Local / Rockaways Local ( 145th Street-Harlem, Manhattan - Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn 8th Avenue Local, 6th Avenue Express, 4th Avenue Express, West End Local 168th Street-Washington Heights, Manhattan - Euclid Avenue, Brooklyn 8th Avenue Local, Fulton Local 205th Street-Norwood, The Bronx - Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn Concourse Local, 8th Avenue Express, 6th Avenue Express, Brighton Local Jamaica Center-Parsons/Archer, Queens - World Trade Center, Manhattan Queens Boulevard Express, 53rd Street Local, 8th Avenue Local 179th Street-Jamaica, Queens - Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn Queens Boulevard Express - 53rd Street Local, 6th Avenue Local, Culver Local Queens Plaza, Queens - Church Avenue, Brooklyn Crosstown Local, Culver Local Jamaica Center-Parsons/Archer, Queens - Broad Street, Manhattan Jamaica Local, Nassau Street Local Canarsie-Rockaway Parkway, Queens - 8th Avenue/14th Street, Manhattan Canarsie Local, 14th Street Local (Mx) Metropolitan Avenue-Middle Village, Queens - 9th Avenue, Brooklyn Myrtle Avenue Local, Jamaica Local, Nassau Street Local, 4th Avenue Local Astoria-Ditmars Boulevard, Queens - Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn Astoria Local, Broadway Express, (via Manhattan Bridge), 4th Avenue Express, Sea Beach Local (Q6Av) Forest Hills - 71st Avenue, Queens - Brighton Beach, Brooklyn Queens Boulevard Local, 63rd Street Local, 6th Avenue Express, Brighton Express Forest Hills - 71st Avenue, Queens - Bay Ridge-95th Street, Brooklyn Queens Boulevard Local, Broadway Local, Fourth Avenue Local 242nd Street - Van Cortlandt Park, The Bronx - South Ferry, Manhattan Broadway Local, 7th Avenue Local 241st Street-Wakefield, The Bronx - Flatbush Avenue-Brooklyn College, Brooklyn White Plains Road Local, Broadway Express, 7th Avenue Express, Eastern Parkway Local, Nostrand Avenue Local 148th Street-Lenox Terminal, Manhattan - New Lots Avenue, Brooklyn 7th Avenue Express, Eastern Parkway Local Woodlawn, The Bronx - Utica Avenue, Brooklyn Jerome Avenue Local, Lexington Avenue Express, Eastern Parkway Express Dyre Avenue, The Bronx - Bowling Green, Manhattan Dyre Avenue Local, White Plains Road Local, Lexington Avenue Express Pelham Bay Park, The Bronx - Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, Manhattan Pelham Local, Lexington Avenue Local Flushing-Main Street, Queens - Times Square, Manhattan Flushing Local, 42nd Street Local Grand Central, Manhattan - Times Square, Manhattan 42nd Street Shuttle Franklin Avenue, Brooklyn, Prospect Park, Brooklyn Franklin Avenue Shuttle Broad Channel, Queens - Rockaway Park-Beach 116th Street, Queens Rockaway Park Shuttle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harpomarx42 Posted September 7, 2010 Author Share #2 Posted September 7, 2010 RUSH HOURS 207th Street-Inwood, Manhattan - Far Rockaway, Queens 8th Avenue Express, Fulton Express, Rockaways Local <A> 207th Street-Inwood, Manhattan - Rockaway Park-Beach 116th Street, Queens 8th Avenue Express, Fulton Express, Rockaways Local ( 168th Street-Washington Heights, Manhattan - Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn 8th Avenue Local, 6th Avenue Express, 4th Avenue Express, West End Local 168th Street-Washington Heights, Manhattan, World Trade Center, Manhattan 8th Avenue Local 205th Street-Norwood, The Bronx - Lefferts Boulevard, Queens Concourse Express, 8th Avenue Local, Fulton Local, Liberty Avenue Local 205th Street-Norwood, The Bronx - Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn Concourse Local, 8th Avenue Express, 6th Avenue Express, Brighton Local Jamaica Center-Parsons/Archer, Queens - World Trade Center, Manhattan Queens Boulevard Express, 53rd Street Local, 8th Avenue Local 179th Street-Jamaica, Queens - Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn Queens Boulevard Express - 53rd Street Local, 6th Avenue Local, Culver Local 179th Street-Jamaica, Queens - Kings Highway, Brooklyn Queens Boulevard Express - 53rd Street Local, 6th Avenue Local, Culver Express Queens Plaza, Queens - Church Avenue, Brooklyn Crosstown Local, Culver Local Jamaica Center-Parsons/Archer, Queens - Broad Street, Manhattan Jamaica Local, Nassau Street Local Canarsie-Rockaway Parkway, Queens - 8th Avenue/14th Street, Manhattan Canarsie Local, 14th Street Local (Mx) Metropolitan Avenue-Middle Village, Queens - Bay Parkway, Brooklyn Myrtle Avenue Local, Jamaica Local, Nassau Street Local, 4th Avenue Local, West End Local Astoria-Ditmars Boulevard, Queens - Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn Astoria Local, Broadway Express, (via Manhattan Bridge), 4th Avenue Express, Sea Beach Local (Q6Av) Forest Hills - 71st Avenue, Queens - Brighton Beach, Brooklyn Queens Boulevard Local, 63rd Street Local, 6th Avenue Express, Brighton Express Forest Hills - 71st Avenue, Queens - Bay Ridge-95th Street, Brooklyn Queens Boulevard Local, Broadway Local, Fourth Avenue Local 57th Street-7th Avenue, Manhattan - Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn Broadway Express, (via Manhattan Bridge), 4th Avenue Express, Sea Beach Express 242nd Street - Van Cortlandt Park, The Bronx - South Ferry, Manhattan Broadway Local, 7th Avenue Local 241st Street-Wakefield, The Bronx - Flatbush Avenue-Brooklyn College, Brooklyn White Plains Road Local, Broadway Express, 7th Avenue Express, Eastern Parkway Local, Nostrand Avenue Local 148th Street-Lenox Terminal, Manhattan - New Lots Avenue, Brooklyn 7th Avenue Express, Eastern Parkway Local Woodlawn, The Bronx - Utica Avenue, Brooklyn Jerome Avenue Local, Lexington Avenue Express, Eastern Parkway Express Dyre Avenue, The Bronx - Bowling Green, Manhattan Dyre Avenue Local, White Plains Road Local, Lexington Avenue Express 241st Street-Wakefield, The Bronx - Flatbush Avenue-Brooklyn College, Brooklyn White Plains Road Express, Lexington Avenue Express, Eastern Parkway Express, Nostrand Avenue Local Parkchester, The Bronx - Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, Manhattan Pelham Express, Lexington Avenue Local Pelham Bay Park, The Bronx - Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, Manhattan Pelham Local, Lexington Avenue Local Flushing-Main Street, Queens - Times Square, Manhattan Flushing Local, 42nd Street Local Flushing-Main Street, Queens - Times Square, Manhattan Flushing Express, 42nd Street Local 242nd Street - Van Cortlandt Park, The Bronx - South Ferry, Manhattan Broadway Express, 7th Avenue Local Grand Central, Manhattan - Times Square, Manhattan 42nd Street Shuttle Franklin Avenue, Brooklyn, Prospect Park, Brooklyn Franklin Avenue Shuttle Broad Channel, Queens - Rockaway Park-Beach 116th Street, Queens Rockaway Park Shuttle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokkemon Posted September 7, 2010 Share #3 Posted September 7, 2010 Looks a heck of a lot like the service pre-9/11 and pre-Manhattan Rehab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harpomarx42 Posted September 7, 2010 Author Share #4 Posted September 7, 2010 WEEKENDS 207th Street-Inwood, Manhattan - Far Rockaway, Queens 8th Avenue Express, Fulton Express, Rockaways Local ( 145th Street-Harlem, Manhattan - Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn 8th Avenue Local, 6th Avenue Express, 4th Avenue Express, West End Local 168th Street-Washington Heights, Manhattan - Lefferts Boulevard, Queens 8th Avenue Local, Fulton Local, Liberty Avenue Local 205th Street-Norwood, The Bronx - Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn Concourse Local, 8th Avenue Express, 6th Avenue Express, Brighton Local Jamaica Center-Parsons/Archer, Queens - World Trade Center, Manhattan Queens Boulevard Express, 53rd Street Local, 8th Avenue Local 179th Street-Jamaica, Queens - Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn Queens Boulevard Express - 53rd Street Local, 6th Avenue Local, Culver Local Forest Hills-71st Avenue, Queens - Church Avenue, Brooklyn Queens Boulevard Local, Crosstown Local, Culver Local Jamaica Center-Parsons/Archer, Queens - Chambers Street, Manhattan Jamaica Local, Nassau Street Local Canarsie-Rockaway Parkway, Queens - 8th Avenue/14th Street, Manhattan Canarsie Local, 14th Street Local (Mx) Metropolitan Avenue-Middle Village, Queens - 9th Avenue, Brooklyn Myrtle Avenue Local, Jamaica Local, Nassau Street Local, 4th Avenue Local Astoria-Ditmars Boulevard, Queens - Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn Astoria Local, Broadway Local, (via Manhattan Bridge), Fourth Avenue Express, Sea Beach Local (Q6Av) Forest Hills - 71st Avenue, Queens - Brighton Beach, Brooklyn Queens Boulevard Local, 63rd Street Local, 6th Avenue Express, Brighton Local Forest Hills - 71st Avenue, Queens - Bay Ridge-95th Street, Brooklyn Queens Boulevard Local, Broadway Local, Fourth Avenue Local 242nd Street - Van Cortlandt Park, The Bronx - South Ferry, Manhattan Broadway Local, 7th Avenue Local 241st Street-Wakefield, The Bronx - Flatbush Avenue-Brooklyn College, Brooklyn White Plains Road Local, Broadway Express, 7th Avenue Express, Eastern Parkway Local, Nostrand Avenue Local 148th Street-Lenox Terminal, Manhattan - New Lots Avenue, Brooklyn 7th Avenue Express, Eastern Parkway Local Woodlawn, The Bronx - Utica Avenue, Brooklyn Jerome Avenue Local, Lexington Avenue Express, Eastern Parkway Express Dyre Avenue, The Bronx - Bowling Green, Manhattan Dyre Avenue Local, White Plains Road Local, Lexington Avenue Express Pelham Bay Park, The Bronx - Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, Manhattan Pelham Local, Lexington Avenue Local Flushing-Main Street, Queens - Times Square, Manhattan Flushing Local, 42nd Street Local Grand Central, Manhattan - Times Square, Manhattan 42nd Street Shuttle Franklin Avenue, Brooklyn, Prospect Park, Brooklyn Franklin Avenue Shuttle Broad Channel, Queens - Rockaway Park-Beach 116th Street, Queens Rockaway Park Shuttle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harpomarx42 Posted September 7, 2010 Author Share #5 Posted September 7, 2010 LATE NIGHTS 207th Street-Inwood, Manhattan - Lefferts Boulevard, Queens 8th Avenue Express, Fulton Local, Liberty Avenue Local ( Pacific Street, Brooklyn - Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn Fourth Avenue Local, West End Local 168th Street-Washington Heights, Manhattan, World Trade Center, Manhattan 8th Avenue Local 205th Street-Norwood, The Bronx - Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn Concourse Local, 8th Avenue Express, 6th Avenue Express, Brighton Local Jamaica Center-Parsons/Archer, Queens - World Trade Center, Manhattan Queens Boulevard Local, 53rd Street Local, 8th Avenue Local 179th Street-Jamaica, Queens - Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn Queens Boulevard Express - 53rd Street Local, 6th Avenue Local, Culver Local Forest Hills-71st Avenue, Queens - Church Avenue, Brooklyn Queens Boulevard Local, Crosstown Local, Culver Local Euclid Avenue, Brooklyn - Far Rockaway, Queens Liberty Avenue Local, Rockaways Local Jamaica Center-Parsons/Archer, Queens - Broad Street, Manhattan Jamaica Local, Nassau Street Local Canarsie-Rockaway Parkway, Queens - 8th Avenue/14th Street, Manhattan Canarsie Local, 14th Street Local (Mx) Metropolitan Avenue-Middle Village, Queens - Myrtle Avenue, Brooklyn Myrtle Avenue Local Astoria-Ditmars Boulevard, Queens - Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, Brooklyn Astoria Local, Broadway Local, (via Montague Street Tunnel), Fourth Avenue Express, Sea Beach Local (Q6Av) Forest Hills - 71st Avenue, Queens - Brighton Beach, Brooklyn Queens Boulevard Local, 63rd Street Local, 6th Avenue Express, Brighton Local 36th Street, Brooklyn - 95th Street-Bay Ridge, Brooklyn Fourth Avenue Local 242nd Street - Van Cortlandt Park, The Bronx - South Ferry, Manhattan Broadway Local, 7th Avenue Local 241st Street-Wakefield, The Bronx - Flatbush Avenue-Brooklyn College, Brooklyn White Plains Road Local, Broadway Local, 7th Avenue Local, Eastern Parkway Local, Nostrand Avenue Local 148th Street-Lenox Terminal, Manhattan - 14th Street/7th Avenue, Manhattan 7th Avenue Express Woodlawn, The Bronx - New Lots Avenue, Brooklyn Jerome Avenue Local, Lexington Avenue Local, Eastern Parkway Local Dyre Avenue, The Bronx - East 180th Street, The Bronx Dyre Avenue Local Pelham Bay Park, The Bronx - Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, Manhattan Pelham Local, Lexington Avenue Local Flushing-Main Street, Queens - Times Square, Manhattan Flushing Local, 42nd Street Local Franklin Avenue, Brooklyn, Prospect Park, Brooklyn Franklin Avenue Shuttle Broad Channel, Queens - Rockaway Park-Beach 116th Street, Queens Rockaway Park Shuttle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted September 7, 2010 Share #6 Posted September 7, 2010 There is no need for the Pre-911 routes. The only reason they existed was the southern tracks for the and the train were closed. That's why the (, , (Q6Av) existed. When they were closed the only way for the Brighton Local to exist was to cross the northern section of the Manhattan Bridge. When the Northern Section was closed the , , existed. Although the (Mx) is back there should be a new service that's local on Sixth Avenue. Why would three services share the same track on the Manhattan Bridge there would be only delays. Also the is long as it already is. The only thing that this would do is bring back pre-911 memories. Not benefit most transit riders. Although I do remember the ( on the West End there is no need the is doing a good job. Although the map I lived with when I was young was interesting there's no need for it to be brought back. Also this is why the , , , uses the Manhattan Bridge today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E Local Posted September 7, 2010 Share #7 Posted September 7, 2010 Yeah I agree with you, also there's too many services on Queens Blvd on weekends. also the (Mx) is not needed after rush hours on 4th avenue. the can handle it, also the is not needed on the sea beach line, it does not get that crowded. also why does the Bway line only has 3 services, but most of the time why is it two services? the Bway line must have at least three or four services like the weekdays, since you have the (Q6Av) running though Queens Blvd which is not needed. why is the terminating at Queens plaza weekdays? it's not really needed, also that would cause lots of delays on the forest hills bound & on the Manhattan bound trains trying to switch. the only way you could terminate it there, is if you make it under the current Queens plaza station so it cant not cause delays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted September 7, 2010 Share #8 Posted September 7, 2010 Brighton riders want both B'way and 6 Av access. Both QBL Expresses should not go through 53 St. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kacie Jane Posted September 7, 2010 Share #9 Posted September 7, 2010 I agree with the above. There's a few problems here. I don't see why the Q should go back to 6th Avenue. It's just going to cause delays on the 6th Ave express with three trains there, and it woefully underserves the Broadway line. Plus, with the ((D)(Q6Av) on the north side of Manny B and just the on the south side, you're unbalancing the bridge again which (I think) would probably just lead to problems a couple decades down the road. I don't understand why there are 3 trains running on the Queens Blvd local weekends and late nights. While I'm guessing since it's off-hours the trains run less often so you'd be able to fit 3 trains there, the point of having them run less often is that there's not enough demand for more service. Two trains (or one that runs often enough) is plenty. At the very least, have the stay express when there's something else running local. I don't think the is particularly needed during late nights, but if it is running, there's no reason not to give Fulton Street local and express service, too. Also, the reason the runs to Far Rockaway 24/7 rather than Lefferts is to serve the Airport, so I would change the and back. With the and on the Concourse Line, it doesn't make any sense to have the C run Concourse express and CPW local and the D Concourse local and CPW express. It doesn't do any good to get people to 145th St faster only to get passed by the on the way to 59th. Likewise, why does the (Q6Av) run Queens Blvd local and 6th Ave express and the run Queens Blvd express and 6th Ave local? You could solve both this problem and the overcrowding at 53rd/Lexington (the local runs via 53rd and the express via 63rd so that crowds are distributed more evenly) by switching the and (Q6Av) in Queens. Anyway, that's all for now. It's a good-looking map, it's just missing that extra dose of logic in a couple of places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harpomarx42 Posted September 8, 2010 Author Share #10 Posted September 8, 2010 Hey all. Thank you for your comments. I do admit that yes, this is in part inspired by nostalgia, but that's the beauty part of why it's a fantasy map. I can indulge, and logic be damned! Some good points were raised which I would like to address. The (Q6Av) on 6th Avenue is part nostalgia, but also relates to how the 63rd Street Line might have operated had the full line past Queensbridge been built. The other scenario I had in mind involves the Second Avenue Line being operation. With the (Q6Av) on 6th Avenue and the on Broadway, Queens Blvd customers have a choice of lines for Manhattan. If the Second Avenue Line was open, I would have the (Q6Av) go north and the run via 63rd Street instead. Option 2 (or 3?) would be to have the run up to Harlem, so UES/Harlem residents have a subway link to Midtown/the LES until the next stages of the open. Alternatively, the could run north onward to Forest Hills via 63rd Street, either as express or local on Queens Blvd. Thoughts? The currently runs local late nights, and AFAIK it ran that way when the was running on Queens Blvd. Even if it were just the (Q6Av) and the , then I would at least run the to Queens Plaza and use the pocket track turnaround. I confess I don't know how many cars will fit on the pocket track, but I believe it is six. I wanted to keep service late nights, at least running as the did. I considered running the 168-WTC services RH/nights as trains, with the running express on 8th Avenue and local on Fulton. The thing I thought with the was the distance across the bay would lengthen the time period between trains, and running the just to Lefferts would increase the frequency. Besides, there aren't many travelling late nights to the airport via the subway, at least not as many as during other periods, so I made the run to the Rockaways for that reason. As for the on Concourse, with the running express it does call for a transfer for stations 59th to 145th, but it gives Bronx customers fast access to the 8th and 6th Avenue lines. I wanted to return the to 53rd street as it's always seemed to me more handy for commuters to travel right to Midtown Central rather than via the northern route, but switching the and (Q6Av) would make the frequencies less even. I won't explain distribution, you can figure that out for yourself, but I doubt that the overcrowding would be much greater, if noticeable, and you are giving customers at local stations the option of a express on Sixth and local on Broadway, both not too far away from each other geographically. The (Mx) is both nostalgia but also convenience; offering West End commuters a link to the Financial District. I had thought about sending it straight to Coney Island. As for the , I wanted to run it like a Banker's Special, but into Midtown. I could send it to Brighton Beach, but trains couldn't lay up on the express tracks without reversing back down to Ocean Parkway. I should also note that the train runs express in one direction and local the other way as a . The map doesn't make that clear. I will make new updated maps, but it will take me some time: I'm not using MS Paint but rather a clone of it for Mac which is GODDAMN HARD to use. Photoshop is also quite fiddly, but I may use it if I'm doing a LOT of work. Also, I don't have internet access at home where I am, so replies will be delayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kacie Jane Posted September 8, 2010 Share #11 Posted September 8, 2010 By all means, feel free to indulge, and of course you can damn logic in a fantasy map. Just be aware that service is probably going to get shafted when you try to squeeze 3 express trains back onto 6th Ave. (Then again, you could probably cut the altogether with not too many ill effects...) Here's a couple of responses to your responses... If you keep the (Q6Av) on 6th Avenue, I think you should still add another Broadway express to take its place -- either the , or if you want to keep it as a rush-hour local, a new (P) train. You could run it from Astoria, 57th/7th, or 2nd Avenue to somewhere in Brooklyn. The express in the Bronx still doesn't make sense. It doesn't do any good to get people to 145th Street faster if they just have to transfer. With the express, if Bronx customers want 6th Avenue, they're set, and if they want 8th Avenue, they transfer to the . If you make the express, Bronx customers would have to transfer no matter what - or enjoy a slow journey down CPW. (Plus, by switching the C from the express to the local - and vice versa for the D - at 145th, there's going to be unnecessary delays. The issue with terminating the at Queens Plaza isn't that you can't - the pocket track is still there, so it is possible. It's that it would delay the other Queens Blvd trains by switching in and out of that pocket track. The 1990 map I have has the running express on Queens Blvd late nights and the running local to 179th Street. Reason being that the was running to 21st-Queensbridge, since the and (Q6Av) were daytime only lines. After the Manhattan Bridge and 63rd Street construction, the could run to Jamaica 24/7, so the was cut back to Court Square and the took over local service. So I think one express and one local late nights is plenty, but if you're having the (Q6Av) run 24/7, then I think the should be running express. Otherwise, thanks for explaining. I see where you're going with this, and it's pretty cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harpomarx42 Posted November 7, 2010 Author Share #12 Posted November 7, 2010 Behold! After a long hiatus, version 2.0. I have done some revamping of the map in accordance with some of your suggestions. 7th Avenue Local 242nd St/Van Cortlandt Park, Bronx - South Ferry, Manhattan All Times 7th Avenue Express, Eastern Parkway Local 241st St/Wakefield, Bronx - Flatbush Avenue, Brooklyn All Times Late Nights Local on 7th Avenue 7th Avenue Express, Eastern Parkway Local 148th St/Lenox Terminal, Manhattan - New Lots Avenue, Brooklyn All Times except Late Nights Late Nights terminates at 14th St/7th Avenue Lexington Avenue Express, Eastern Parkway Express Woodlawn, Bronx - Utica Avenue, Brooklyn All Times Late Nights Local on Lex Av / Eastern Pkwy, extended to New Lots Av Lexington Avenue Express Eastchester/Dyre Av, Bronx - Bowling Green, Manhattan All Times except Late Nights Late Nights Dyre Avenue Shuttle (Eastchester/Dyre Av - East 180th St) Lexington Avenue Express, Eastern Parkway Express 241st St/Wakefield, Bronx - Flatbush Avenue, Brooklyn Rush Hours Only Pelham Local, Lexington Avenue Local Pelham Bay Park, Bronx - Brooklyn Bridge, Manhattan All Times except Rush Hours Rush Hours terminates at Parkchester/E 177th St, Bronx Pelham Express, Lexington Avenue Local Pelham Bay Park, Bronx - Brooklyn Bridge, Manhattan Rush Hours only Flushing Local Main St/Flushing, Queens - Times Square, Manhattan All Times Flushing Express Main St/Flushing, Queens - Times Square, Manhattan Rush Hours Only (Peak Direction Only) Broadway Express 242 St/Van Cortlandt Park, Bronx - South Ferry, Manhattan Rush Hours Only (Peak Direction Only) 8th Avenue Express, Fulton Express 207 St/Inwood, Manhattan - Lefferts Blvd/Rockaways, Queens All Times Rush Hour special service to Rockaway Park Weekends to Rockaways only Late Nights Local on Fulton, to Lefferts Blvd only ( 6th Avenue Express, West End Express 168th Street, Manhattan - Coney Island, Brooklyn All Times Late nights Local on West End 8th Avenue Local, Fulton Local 168th Street, Manhattan - Euclid Avenue, Brooklyn Rush Hours express (peak direction) to 205th St/Norwood, Bronx Late Nights terminates at WTC, Manhattan Weekends extended to Lefferts Blvd, Queens 6th Avenue Express, Brighton Local 205th St/Norwood, Bronx - Coney Island, Brooklyn All Times Queens Blvd Express, 8th Avenue Local Jamaica Center, Queens - WTC, Manhattan All Times Rush Hours some trains to 179th St/Jamaica, Queens Queens Blvd Express, 6th Avenue Local, Culver Local 179th St/Jamaica, Queens - Coney Island, Brooklyn All Times Rush Hour peak direction express service on Culver Line Queens Blvd Local, Crosstown Local Court Square, Queens - Church Avenue, Brooklyn All Times Late Nights/Weekends extended to 71st St/Continental Av, Queens Rockaways Local Euclid Avenue, Brooklyn - Far Rockaway, Queens Late Nights Only Jamaica Local, Nassau Street Local Jamaica Center, Queens - Broad Street, Manhattan All Times Weekends terminates at Chambers Street Canarsie Local 14th St/8th Av, Manhattan - Canarsie, Queens All Times (Mx) Myrtle Avenue Local, Nassau Street Local, West End Local Metropolitan Avenue, Queens - 9th Avenue, Brooklyn All Times Rush Hours extended to Bay Parkway Late Nights Myrtle Avenue Shuttle Broadway Local, 4th Avenue Express, Sea Beach Local Astoria/Ditmars Blvd, Queens - Coney Island, Brooklyn All Times Late Nights/Weekends via Montague St, other times via Manhattan Bridge (Q6Av) Queens Blvd Local, 6th Avenue Express, Brighton Express 71st St/Continental Av, Queens - Brighton Beach, Brooklyn All Times Late nights local on Brighton Line Queens Blvd Local, Broadway Local, 4th Avenue Local 71st St/Continental Av, Queens - 95th St/Bay Ridge, Brooklyn All Times Late Nights Bay Ridge Shuttle (36th Street-95th Street, Brooklyn) Broadway Express, 4th Avenue Express, Sea Beach Express Astoria/Ditmars Blvd, Queens - Coney Island, Brooklyn All Times except Weekends Jamaica Express, Nassau Street Local Jamaica Center, Queens - Broad Street, Manhattan Rush Hours only (peak direction only) (Incidentally, I can't seem to enlarge the original image within it so apologies for that in advance.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lance25 Posted November 7, 2010 Share #13 Posted November 7, 2010 Don't take this the wrong way, but what's with the 1998 service patterns? Return of the , no Broadway service on Brighton, both the and via 53rd Street; it just seems like a step backwards, rather than an improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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harpomarx42 Posted November 7, 2010 Author Share #15 Posted November 7, 2010 he's traped in the past. If some people had thier way, I'd be riding the LL and AA to school on monday. This is the reason they don't let us pick the routes for the subway lines. I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of my Blind Melon records and the fizz of my Crystal Pepsi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted November 7, 2010 Share #16 Posted November 7, 2010 Hey all. Thank you for your comments. I do admit that yes, this is in part inspired by nostalgia, but that's the beauty part of why it's a fantasy map. I can indulge, and logic be damned! Some good points were raised which I would like to address. The (Q6Av) on 6th Avenue is part nostalgia, but also relates to how the 63rd Street Line might have operated had the full line past Queensbridge been built. The other scenario I had in mind involves the Second Avenue Line being operation. With the (Q6Av) on 6th Avenue and the on Broadway, Queens Blvd customers have a choice of lines for Manhattan. If the Second Avenue Line was open, I would have the (Q6Av) go north and the run via 63rd Street instead. Option 2 (or 3?) would be to have the run up to Harlem, so UES/Harlem residents have a subway link to Midtown/the LES until the next stages of the open. Alternatively, the could run north onward to Forest Hills via 63rd Street, either as express or local on Queens Blvd. Thoughts? I'm sorry, but the 1990s-era service patterns is the worst era to have nostalgia. There is absolutely no reason to resurrect the (Q6Av), the Broadway Line with only the and the , the , the via West End, the via Brighton Local or the in the 53rd St Tunnel. Can we pleeeeaaaaase leave these services in the past where they belong? Why do so many people on this message board want them to come back? There are real, valid reasons for why these 1990s service patterns no longer exist and why they should not come back. Bringing back the and is good, but there is no need for a (Q6Av) anymore. But the should be the Broadway Local and the the Broadway Express. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LRG Posted November 7, 2010 Share #18 Posted November 7, 2010 This is the reason they don't let us pick the routes for the subway lines. Umm...you sure about that??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Q43 Floral Park Posted November 8, 2010 Share #20 Posted November 8, 2010 I understand this is a fantasy map but just my input: Okay in terms of the I can understand it from the standpoint of nostlagia and that taking the from Upper Manhattan/The Bronx can be unbearable in terms of commute time (That skip stop service was one of my favorite aspects of the TA growing up). But theres no way it'd be functional only stopping at 137, 168 Dyckman and 242. The ridership would be way off having the train dump 1st at 168 and then be completely empty after Dyckman. Express to Dyckman is fine but anything north of that is overkill. If its gonna happen it'd need to be done like the 6 with locals ending at Dyckman, then you'd need a 3rd track north of 145 (which I really dont get why they didnt put one in the 1st place). With the and in the Bronx, 205 st was never meant to be a terminal and has issues now properly turning the , hence why the ends (and the C in the past) at Bedford Park. Wouldn't work with 2 lines terminating there. As for the being the Bronx express, I'll give you a few reasons for why that'd be a major fail: The has higher ridership, more people want 6th Ave because it's directly in the middle plus you have the , as it stands the Bx Exp service is horrible, you'd be taking two cars away from already sketchy service which would increase crowding, there'd be delays at 145 and no ones going to want to get on an express in an outer borough thats going local in Manhattan (like other people said). The was sent to BK middays for a reason, turning at Bowling Green delays service on the and took stress of the latter as the Eastern Pkwy express. The good luck with rush hour only service. Stillwell + 5 services = Nightmare The whole issue with the (Mx) was the fact that no one was really using it. Taking the to Pacific and the does the same thing, and you could just beef up service on both lines and everyone would benefit. I was really trying to avoid saying something about the (Q6Av) but you have it running via 63rd and local in Queens, which means the already miserable is gonna suffer from another train getting priority over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted November 8, 2010 Share #21 Posted November 8, 2010 If it had been one of us, that probibly would have been the V train. Actually, wasn't the original idea to leave it as the by the MTA? If anything it was the residents on the (Mx) end that bitched about the letter that forced the MTA to change it to the . I think certain railfans were foaming with joy when the MTA bowed down to the demands of the . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRT Bronx Express Posted November 8, 2010 Share #22 Posted November 8, 2010 The was already programmed to say Metropolitan Avenue as well, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted November 8, 2010 Share #23 Posted November 8, 2010 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted November 8, 2010 Share #24 Posted November 8, 2010 Actually, wasn't the original idea to leave it as the by the MTA? If anything it was the residents on the (Mx) end that bitched about the letter that forced the MTA to change it to the . I think certain railfans were foaming with joy when the MTA bowed down to the demands of the . Yes the designation was supposed to be kept. I find the recoloring on the (Mx) stupid as the number of stations that had outnumbered the number of station that had (Mx). While what's done is done it would have made more sense just to leave the designations instead of reprogramming a whole bunch of NTTs just for a letter. For goodness sakes it's only a letter. Four months later I don't even care anymore about the new line as I have no use for it. I don't live near it, and the equipment it uses isn't even interesting to even bother railfanning it. I'll leave it at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokkemon Posted November 8, 2010 Share #25 Posted November 8, 2010 Yes the designation was supposed to be kept. I find the recoloring on the (Mx) stupid as the number of stations that had outnumbered the number of station that had (Mx). While what's done is done it would have made more sense just to leave the designations instead of reprogramming a whole bunch of NTTs just for a letter. For goodness sakes it's only a letter. Four months later I don't even care anymore about the new line as I have no use for it. I don't live near it, and the equipment it uses isn't even interesting to even bother railfanning it. I'll leave it at that. Imagine if they removed the train. There would be a riot! Billy Strayhorn's masterpiece "Take the A Train" would have no meaning anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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