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East New York

East New York 4,103

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If and when MTA merged all bus ops into a single operating platform, what routes do you think should be moved or split? I wrote down some about 2 years ago, and I decided to revise, and revisit. This is my take. (Local Only)

 

B13 GA, SC

B15 JFK, ENY

B42 ENY, SC

B44 GA, FLA

B46 GA, FLA

B83 ENY, SC

B100 to FLA from SC

 

Bx4 to WF from GH

Bx5 GH, WF

Bx8 to ECH from WF

Bx12 KB, GH

Bx15 MHV, WF

Bx16 to ECH from GH

Bx28 KB, GH

Bx31 ECH, WF

Bx32 KB, WF

Bx33 to 126 from WF

Bx41 to ECH, WF from KB

 

M10, M11 MHV, MJQ

M60 MHV, LGA

M98 MHV, MJQ

M100 KB, 126

M101 KB, 100

M104 MHV, MJQ

 

(all Nassau runs listed are splits)

N1 QV

N4 BPK

N20, N21 CS

N24 JAM

N31, N32, N33 FAR

 

Q17 CS, JAM

Q18 to GA from LGA

Q19 CP, LGA

Q21 SC, FAR

Q29 LGA, FP

Q32 to LGA, MJQ from SC

Q35 FAR, FLA

Q38 to FP from CP

Q39 to GA from LGA

Q41 SC, FAR

Q44 CS, WF

Q48 to LGA from CS

Q60 LGA, JFK

Q66 CP, LGA

Q67 to GA from LGA

Q76 to BP, CP from CS

Q77, Q84, Q85 BP, JAM

Q113 BP, FAR

 

* SI w/Charleston

S54 CAS, YUK

S55, S74, S78, S84 split CHA, YUK

X17, X19, X22 CHA

 

 

When MCH reopens:

Bx1, Bx7, Bx15, Bx33, M1, M2, M7

Bx4, Bx19 with WF

Bx2, Bx32 with KB

M10 with MJQ

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w8Hou

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You cant have LGA & JFK on the same line. Im not going to say exactly why.

 

Different Unions, thats the big problem and also civil service status as well.

 

Most of his proposes will not even go through with one snap just to cut down cost. Tough sell.

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The only ones I can think of is the Q39 & Q67 to FP

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East New York

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Different Unions, thats the big problem and also civil service status as well.

 

Most of his proposes will not even go through with one snap just to cut down cost. Tough sell.

 

That's why I said if and only if all the division operations were streamlined similar to how TA & OA(subsidiary) operate together. So civil service status, and Unions wouldn't really matter then. In the future this would improve operations logistically. And a lot of the routes would only be split part-time, and not even available for pick. They would be interlined with other routes.

 

M 101 wouldn't work out of KB a driver would have to drive to from 220st to 181 st then back up to 190 st, M100 could work from both since it terminates next to both depots, B42,B83, and B100 should all be in SC just my opinion

 

I'm not following you on that one. 220 to 181 back to 190??

 

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The only ones I can think of is the Q39 & Q67 to FP

 

Why Fresh Pond and not Grand Ave.?

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I'm not following you on that one. 220 to 181 back to 190??

 

You would have to blame this on the dangerous topography of Washington Heights. He's referring to the fact that drivers from Kingsbridge Depot would have to run up Broadway until 181st St, then run on the congested 181st St, then turn on Amsterdam to start the route.

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You would have to blame this on the dangerous topography of Washington Heights. He's referring to the fact that drivers from Kingsbridge Depot would have to run up Broadway until 181st St, then run on the congested 181st St, then turn on Amsterdam to start the route.

 

It's still closer than 100st, and the runs could start at 184st, or 181st going southbound.

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That's why I said if and only if all the division operations were streamlined similar to how TA & OA(subsidiary) operate together. So civil service status, and Unions wouldn't really matter then. In the future this would improve operations logistically. And a lot of the routes would only be split part-time, and not even available for pick. They would be interlined with other routes.

 

Streamlined wont be happen if the unions issues fixed, its not going to be happen soon. The ones you proposed like:

 

(all Nassau runs listed are splits)

N1 QV

N4 BPK

N20, N21 CS

N24 JAM

N31, N32, N33 FAR....

 

No chance for those routes to be in those Queens depots. You know the reason why.

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If and when MTA merged all bus ops into a single operating platform, what routes do you think should be moved or split? I wrote down some about 2 years ago, and I decided to revise, and revisit. This is my take. (Local Only)

 

B13 GA, SC

B15 JFK, ENY

B42 ENY, SC

B44 GA, FLA

B46 GA, FLA

B83 ENY, SC

B100 to FLA from SC

 

Bx4 to WF from GH

Bx5 GH, WF

Bx8 to ECH from WF

Bx12 KB, GH

Bx15 MHV, WF

Bx16 to ECH from GH

Bx28 KB, GH

Bx31 ECH, WF

Bx32 KB, WF

Bx33 to 126 from WF

Bx41 to ECH, WF from KB

 

M10, M11 MHV, MJQ

M60 MHV, LGA

M98 MHV, MJQ

M100 KB, 126

M101 KB, 100

M104 MHV, MJQ

 

(all Nassau runs listed are splits)

N1 QV

N4 BPK

N20, N21 CS

N24 JAM

N31, N32, N33 FAR

 

Q17 CS, JAM

Q18 to GA from LGA

Q19 CP, LGA

Q21 SC, FAR

Q29 LGA, FP

Q32 to LGA, MJQ from SC

Q35 FAR, FLA

Q38 to FP from CP

Q39 to GA from LGA

Q41 SC, FAR

Q44 CS, WF

Q48 to LGA from CS

Q60 LGA, JFK

Q66 CP, LGA

Q67 to GA from LGA

Q76 to BP, CP from CS

Q77, Q84, Q85 BP, JAM

Q113 BP, FAR

 

* SI w/Charleston

S54 CAS, YUK

S55, S74, S78, S84 split CHA, YUK

X17, X19, X22 CHA

 

When MCH reopens:

Bx1, Bx7, Bx15, Bx33, M1, M2, M7

Bx4, Bx19 with WF

Bx2, Bx32 with KB

M10 with MJQ

 

Like it:tup:

 

But...

 

You forgot the s59!

 

The only changes I'd make is the 59, 74, 78, & maybe also the (84), being shared by ALL 4 depots.

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Streamlined wont be happen if the unions issues fixed, its not going to be happen soon. The ones you proposed like:

 

(all Nassau runs listed are splits)

N1 QV

N4 BPK

N20, N21 CS

N24 JAM

N31, N32, N33 FAR....

 

No chance for those routes to be in those Queens depots. You know the reason why.

 

True. I can't argue with that one. If anything TA/OA/and BC would merge first. But they way things are going at LIB, highly unlikely they will fall under the umbrella.

 

Like it:tup:

 

But...

 

You forgot the s59!

 

The only changes I'd make is the 59, 74, 78, & maybe also the (84), being shared by ALL 4 depots.

 

All 4!!?? Wow!

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It's still closer than 100st, and the runs could start at 184st, or 181st going southbound.

100 st is on Lexington which the M101 runs on put in's pull right on to Lexington no run time. Uptown kan take 96 to 3 av less then 5 min I think it works out better at 100 then a 20 min deadhead.

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100 st is on Lexington which the M101 runs on put in's pull right on to Lexington no run time. Uptown kan take 96 to 3 av less then 5 min I think it works out better at 100 then a 20 min deadhead.

 

I'm saying for runs that would end in Wash Hgts. It's almost a 40 minute deadhead back to 100St. from there.

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You would have to blame this on the dangerous topography of Washington Heights. He's referring to the fact that drivers from Kingsbridge Depot would have to run up Broadway until 181st St, then run on the congested 181st St, then turn on Amsterdam to start the route.

 

That's not true at all.

from KB deadhead 10th av/Dyckman/Ft George Hill then loop St Nick/190/Ft George Av to hit the 1st stop

to KB deadhead down St Nick/Wadsworth/187/Bway.

 

Bronx

Bx4 WF

Bx8 GH

Bx12 KB/GH (not sure how to split it but I feel like most locals and one of the last SBS runs out KB so W/B service can end a little later)

Bx15 MCH/WF

BX16 ECH

Bx19 MCH/WF

Bx23 GH

Bx28 KB/GH

Bx30 ECH/GH

Bx32 KB

Bx33 MCH

Bx34 KB (the deadhead would be a lot shorter)

Bx38 ECH/GH

Bx40/42 KB/WF

Bxm11 ECH

Bxm6 WF

 

Queens

Q27 CS/QV

Q30 QV

Q38 FP

Q44 JAM/WF

Q48 CS/LGA

Q53 FR/LGA

Q60 JAM/JFK

 

Manhattan

MCH M1 M2 M7 Bx15 Bx19 Bx33

M98 KB/MJQ

M100 KB/126

M101 KB/100

M96/106 100 st (MJQ makes no sense)

M60 LGA/MHV

M31 MJQ

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