Roadcruiser1 Posted September 23, 2010 Share #1 Posted September 23, 2010 If any of you guys know trains use to cross the Brooklyn Bridge. I wonder if trains can cross the Brooklyn Bridge again. Maybe 1 Manhattan bound and Brooklyn bound lane should be replace with tracks. The train and the future train if it ever happens could utilize the tracks to get to Manhattan or Brooklyn. If the never makes it that far maybe the could cross the bridge too. It would be pretty useful for New York and it would be attractive. What do you guys think? http://www.ny1.com/?SecID=1000&ArID=81919 http://www.planetizen.com/node/31349 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzCzHmYTQ40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted September 23, 2010 Share #2 Posted September 23, 2010 I don't ever see that happening again. I don't think the bridge could support full sets of BMT cars like that. Plus it would cost so much to modify the bridge for such use. Those tracks aren't even there anymore either, so costs would skyrocket. You would also have to bore into the ground, build new stations, connect tunnels. Way too labor intensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted September 23, 2010 Author Share #3 Posted September 23, 2010 I know that I have had been on the Brooklyn Bridge before. Though it might be cheaper to retrofit and streghten the Brooklyn Bridge for rail traffic then build a new tunnel. If BMT cars are too heavy the could use it the IRT cars might be possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted September 23, 2010 Share #4 Posted September 23, 2010 I know that I have had been on the Brooklyn Bridge before. Though it might be cheaper to retrofit and streghten the Brooklyn Bridge for rail traffic then build a new tunnel. If BMT cars are too heavy the could use it the IRT cars might be possible. If buses aren't allowed, what makes you think that two crowded trains would work? Anyway, closing the Brooklyn Bridge would result in extreme traffic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted September 23, 2010 Share #5 Posted September 23, 2010 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted September 23, 2010 Author Share #6 Posted September 23, 2010 Didn't they already shut down the Manhattan bound lane on the Brooklyn Bridge for construction work recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lance25 Posted September 23, 2010 Share #7 Posted September 23, 2010 And that means what exactly...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova RTS 9147 Posted September 23, 2010 Share #8 Posted September 23, 2010 I don't ever see that happening again. I don't think the bridge could support full sets of BMT cars like that. Plus it would cost so much to modify the bridge for such use. Those tracks aren't even there anymore either, so costs would skyrocket. You would also have to bore into the ground, build new stations, connect tunnels. Way too labor intensive. Plus, it would require a makeover of the Chrystie street cut, which isn't worth the effort (lets face it, the is probably useless if it doesn't go to lower manhattan) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted September 23, 2010 Author Share #9 Posted September 23, 2010 It could be possible if the elevates itself a bit before it reaches the Brooklyn Bridge it would work like the El in the video. The bridge could be retrofitted to handle heavy rail traffic. Like when they retrofitted the Manhattan Bridge. They could add cross braces below add things that would strengthen the bridge but not ruin it's looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted September 23, 2010 Share #10 Posted September 23, 2010 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted September 23, 2010 Author Share #11 Posted September 23, 2010 Then won't it strengthen the bridge a bit at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTimer Posted September 23, 2010 Share #12 Posted September 23, 2010 That actually goes against the appeal, the look and the iconic status of the bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lance25 Posted September 23, 2010 Share #13 Posted September 23, 2010 @RC1: The could elevate itself at a 90-degree angle for all it's worth, but it will NOT run on the Brooklyn Bridge. The cost of retrofitting the bridge would probably be more than building a brand new tunnel. Plus, even if the costs were not astronomical, they would have to close part, if not the entire bridge, forcing all commuters to flock to the Manhattan and Williamsburg bridges, which are already overcrowded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova RTS 9147 Posted September 23, 2010 Share #14 Posted September 23, 2010 The manhattan bound side is closed at night to allow for replacement of the steel framework helping to hold the 127 year old bridge, which hasn't had a train across it in 60 years, up. And the trains that previously ran on it weren't as long, nor as heavy (please correct me if I'm wrong) as the R160s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted September 23, 2010 Share #15 Posted September 23, 2010 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted September 24, 2010 Author Share #16 Posted September 24, 2010 To tell you guys the truth. I just found out the cars they used on the Brooklyn Bridge were Q-type cars. The full train set only composed of about 6 cars weighing only 140,000 pounds when it was full. The R160's full train set composes of 8 cars weighing 800,000 pounds at full load. So the Brooklyn Bridge can't support a NYCS subway train. Though a second plan mentions light rail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Julio Posted September 24, 2010 Share #17 Posted September 24, 2010 The Brooklyn Bridge is no longer in the structural shape that it was back when they had trolleys and elevated cars running across it. The only thing that would work weight wise would be trolleys or light rail if any at all. Any possible positives aren't enough to justify the the cost of building, plus halting vehicular traffic across the Brooklyn Bridge would cause havoc and prevent traffic from accessing lower Manhattan and Downtown Brooklyn. With IRT, IND and BMT service close to the Brooklyn Bridge already, I don't see what gap doing such service would be beneficial and filling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted September 24, 2010 Author Share #18 Posted September 24, 2010 I found out that a typical light rail car weights 98,000 pounds. That's less then the 140,000 pound Q type car. So light rail might be a good option for the Brooklyn Bridge in the future. Also a typical light rail car should carry about 240 passengers. A full Q type train could carry about 300 passengers. They could hit speeds of 72 mph faster then the Q type car speed of 55 mph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted September 24, 2010 Share #19 Posted September 24, 2010 Even if the , city, and state had the funds for such a project where is the justification for it? There are already sections of Brooklyn, Queens, Richmond, and the Bronx, with more pressing needs for transportation IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted September 24, 2010 Share #20 Posted September 24, 2010 None of the above will happen, and not even light rail, and none of the above should happen. The days of trains or any kind of rail over the Brooklyn Bridge are as dead and gone as the 6th Avenue Elevated. Now can this place please begin living in the real world again and leave the fantasy map foamfests for the degenerates over at straphangers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted September 24, 2010 Author Share #21 Posted September 24, 2010 It could be a Red Hook/DUMBO/Downtown Brooklyn light rail extension. In this map I created the grey line runs across the Brooklyn Bridge from Chambers Street to Smith and 9th Street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted September 24, 2010 Share #22 Posted September 24, 2010 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KTrainExp Posted September 24, 2010 Share #23 Posted September 24, 2010 Both edges of the Brooklyn Bridge contain many subway stations and subway lines, so there is no serious demand for it. Manhattan is extremely dense, and the High Street station is just at the end of the Brooklyn side of the bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted September 24, 2010 Share #24 Posted September 24, 2010 As others said: there's just no point. Plus with the (Mx) gone, there's more than enough room in the Montegue tunnel for the to run thru. Even a new river tunnel connecting the WTC stop [or the City Hall BMT lower level] to the Court st [current TM] stop would be a better investment than to strengthen the Brooklyn Bridge to hold up the weight of trains and cars running on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 24, 2010 Share #25 Posted September 24, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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