Which NJT bus routes would you like to see extended into Staten Island?

[Santa Fe via Willow]

I know the intention is there for the HBLR to hopefully one day be extended across the Bayonne Bridge. Its great (NYCT)'s (S89) LTD exists. But...if (NJT) were to extend a bus route or more into SI, which route(s) would you want it to be?

 

If it were up to you?

[Pablo M 201]

The only route would be the 81.

 

But as you mentioned the S89 exists already and the possible (not so possible) HBLR extension over to HBLR, there is no need to extend a bus.

 

And really the demand is not there, period.

[Santa Fe via Willow]

The only route would be the 81.

 

But as you mentioned the S89 exists already and the possible (not so possible) HBLR extension over to HBLR, there is no need to extend a bus.

 

And really the demand is not there, period.

 

81 was my choice too:)

 

But wolverines will make good housepets before that ever happens.

 

IF/WHEN the HBLR comes into SI, that'll be really :cool:

[checkmatechamp13]

The thing about through-running is that it provides a one-seat ride. If an NJ route (such as NJT's #81) or the Red and Tan #10 were extended into SI and took over the (S89) route, that would provide a one-seat ride to a lot of people traveling between Jersey City and Staten Island, which increases the ridership on both halves of the route (think of through-routing as 10+10=25 instead of 10+10=20)

 

This article provides a discussion on the advantages of through-service:

http://www.humantransit.org/2009/08/why-isnt-throughrouting-more-common.html

[Santa Fe via Willow]

The thing about through-running is that it provides a one-seat ride. If an NJ route (such as NJT's #81) or the Red and Tan #10 were extended into SI and took over the (S89) route, that would provide a one-seat ride to a lot of people traveling between Jersey City and Staten Island, which increases the ridership on both halves of the route (think of through-routing as 10+10=25 instead of 10+10=20)

 

This article provides a discussion on the advantages of through-service:

http://www.humantransit.org/2009/08/why-isnt-throughrouting-more-common.html

 

Interesting. Alot of highways are a sort of "through routing" or can be. Not exactly the same thing but analogous.

[553 Bridgeton]

If its not already there, then there is no need for it to be there.

[checkmatechamp13]

Interesting. Alot of highways are a sort of "through routing" or can be. Not exactly the same thing but analogous.

 

Another example is the NYC Subway. All of the lines that enter Manhattan through one side and exit through the other side are through-routed lines.

 

If its not already there, then there is no need for it to be there.

 

By that logic, we shouldn't create any new bus routes or build any new subway lines.

[553 Bridgeton]

Another example is the NYC Subway. All of the lines that enter Manhattan through one side and exit through the other side are through-routed lines.

 

 

 

By that logic, we shouldn't create any new bus routes or build any new subway lines.

 

Take it how you want.

[NuJersey]

The (NJT) 58 bus route via the Goethals Bridge and the (NJT) 81 via the Bayonne Bridge.

[macpat55]

what about extending of the Perth Amboy buses into the Tottenville Railway

station(813) the 817 bus is long enough

[checkmatechamp13]

what about extending of the Perth Amboy buses into the Tottenville Railway

station(813) the 817 bus is long enough

 

The thing about the #813 is that it would have to make almost a U-turn to go back to the Outerbridge Crossing.

 

The (NJT) 58 bus route via the Goethals Bridge and the (NJT) 81 via the Bayonne Bridge.

 

Both seem like good ideas.

 

By the way, is there some kind of NJ Transit Bus Map? Even if it were only for some cities (like Newark, Elizabeth, and Jersey City)

 

By the way, what about the go28? It wouldn't have signal priority or a dedicated lane in Staten Island, but you could have a few +SBS+ stations (I believe the go28 is +SBS+, correct?)

[Pablo M 201]

The thing about the #813 is that it would have to make almost a U-turn to go back to the Outerbridge Crossing.

 

 

 

Both seem like good ideas.

 

By the way, is there some kind of NJ Transit Bus Map? Even if it were only for some cities (like Newark, Elizabeth, and Jersey City)

 

By the way, what about the go28? It wouldn't have signal priority or a dedicated lane in Staten Island, but you could have a few +SBS+ stations (I believe the go28 is +SBS+, correct?)

NJT would not be interested, period. They have other plans in mind for the Go28 anyways.

 

Extending the Go28 to Staten Island can be problematic and make the route too long and unreliable.

 

And the Go28 does not operate exactly like +Select Bus Service+ does, like for example no off board fare payment.

[Amtrak7]

And the Go28 does not operate exactly like +Select Bus Service+ does, like for example no off board fare payment.

 

Then how is go28 different from a local bus?

[R110B]

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Then how is go28 different from a local bus?

A go bus is 1.25 and only stops at selected Zone areas one way rush hours.

[Santa Fe via Willow]

The (NJT) 58 bus route via the Goethals Bridge and the (NJT) 81 via the Bayonne Bridge.

 

:cool: That would be awesome. :tup:

[checkmatechamp13]

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A go bus is 1.25 and only stops at selected Zone areas one way rush hours.

 

But, according to the schedule, it is $1.50, and it doesn't mention anything about selected zones.

 

See this article: http://www.njtransit.com/tm/tm_servlet.srv?hdnPageAction=PressReleaseTo&PRESS_RELEASE_ID=2561

 

But I see what you are saying about it not being completely +SBS+. You still pay the fare in the front, but there is signal prioritization and bus lanes.

[soyintocable]

Here is the schedule of GO28 bus route:

 

http://www.njtransit.com/pdf/bus/T0028.pdf

 

SHows a $1.50 fare for one zone and $2.35 for 2 zone travel.

 

There are special blue marker signs at designed bus stops and the stops are 10-15 blocks apart like the "LIMITED STOP" bus routes in NYC

[Q101 E Midtown]

If any runs were to extended to Staten Island, it should be select intrastate Red & Tan #10 runs(renumbered 110 or something), but only down to the Staten Island Mall with closed door service in SI.

[checkmatechamp13]

Since the MTA plans to roll out new SmartCard technology, what makes more sense is to have the #10 run over the (S89) route and be subsidized by the MTA for the section in SI.

The fares could be set as follows:

1 zone-$1.50

2 zone-$2.35

For any trips within Staten Island or between Staten Island and the HBLR, the regular $2.25 fare would be charged (or a transfer would be accepted to/from a connecting bus).

For any trips between points north of the HBLR transfer point and Staten Island, the fare would be $2.25 plus either the 1-zone or 2-zone fare, depending on the destination (again, transfers from NYCT local routes can be counted towards the $2.25 fare).

 

This way, SI riders get a one-seat ride to parts of Bayonne and Jersey City not served by the HBLR, such as Journal Square, and ridership on both portions of the route will increase.

[B35 via Church]

By the way, is there some kind of NJ Transit Bus Map? Even if it were only for some cities (like Newark, Elizabeth, and Jersey City)

 

not that I know of...

but if there was, that thing would be freakin huge! remember, we're talking about a bus map of an entire state.

 

anyway, online, I just use doug & adrienne's maps, as far as NJT routes go....

http://www.dougandadrienne.info/njbus/indexnj.html

[brokecrazy]

not that I know of...

but if there was, that thing would be freakin huge! remember, we're talking about a bus map of an entire state.

 

anyway, online, I just use doug & adrienne's maps, as far as NJT routes go....

http://www.dougandadrienne.info/njbus/indexnj.html

 

They have (or had) county "maps" which showed cities as bubbles and "routes" followed streetlike lines in between the different city "bubbles".

See if the customer service offices still have them in stock.

They also included the Railroad stations and Path and light rail lines.

[Pablo M 201]

Since the MTA plans to roll out new SmartCard technology, what makes more sense is to have the #10 run over the (S89) route and be subsidized by the MTA for the section in SI.

The fares could be set as follows:

1 zone-$1.50

2 zone-$2.35

For any trips within Staten Island or between Staten Island and the HBLR, the regular $2.25 fare would be charged (or a transfer would be accepted to/from a connecting bus).

For any trips between points north of the HBLR transfer point and Staten Island, the fare would be $2.25 plus either the 1-zone or 2-zone fare, depending on the destination (again, transfers from NYCT local routes can be counted towards the $2.25 fare).

 

This way, SI riders get a one-seat ride to parts of Bayonne and Jersey City not served by the HBLR, such as Journal Square, and ridership on both portions of the route will increase.

I can tell you this much, being a Red & Tan rider for almost 8 years, extending the 10 to Staten Island would be a disastrous move because of how unreliable the 10 can be.

[checkmatechamp13]

How about the #81?

[Pablo M 201]

How about the #81?

That could work, perhaps select 81X runs.

 

Then again I'm a firm believer of, "don't fix nothing that ain't broke."

[Luis1985]

That would be nice. The (NJT) 58, (NJT) 81L/81X and (NJT) 813 couldve been extended into Staten Island, but where will they terminate besides the Eltingville Transit Center? i doubt that will happen anytime soon. The (S89) LTD does a good job, but itll be nice if it runs all day 7 days a week. maybe from like 5AM to 2AM, 7 days a week? 24/7 would be even better, but i doubt ppl are gonna travel to and from jersey at that time.