The ideas for the Bx19

[uptown164]

What are you guys thoughts on the Bx19 running limited?

 

I am about 50/50 with this. The fact that it runs too close to the 2 and 6 train almost defeats the purpose of it and almost every stop south of 174 St is pretty close to a subway station but we can say the same about the Bx 1,2 and 4. Also a lot of people use the Bx 19 between 145 st/Broadway and The Hub; you really cant have limited stops on that portion of the route. What does everyone think about this?

 

 

What about splitting it up or merging it with another route?

[checkmatechamp13]

The Bx1 runs limited, but the Bx2 and Bx4 don't, so you can't really use that argument for giving it a limited-stop version. (I too am split on whether this is a good idea)

 

The thing that you can do to make it more reliable is to cut back some buses to The Hub and extend a few buses from another route that terminates there (either the Bx4, Bx41, or Bx55) into Manhattan via the Bx19 route. Out of the three, I would probably pick the Bx4, since it is the shortest, and would offer riders further east a direct ride into Harlem. Running 2 different routes along 145th Street (the Bx4/Bx19) would give riders the option of heading towards Southern Blvd or Westchester Avenue.

 

Just a thought.

[Shortline Bus]

The Bx1 runs limited, but the Bx2 and Bx4 don't, so you can't really use that argument for giving it a limited-stop version. (I too am split on whether this is a good idea)

 

The thing that you can do to make it more reliable is to cut back some buses to The Hub and extend a few buses from another route that terminates there (either the Bx4, Bx41, or Bx55) into Manhattan via the Bx19 route. Out of the three, I would probably pick the Bx4, since it is the shortest, and would offer riders further east a direct ride into Harlem. Running 2 different routes along 145th Street (the Bx4/Bx19) would give riders the option of heading towards Southern Blvd or Westchester Avenue.

 

Just a thought.

 

I think other than limited stop service maybe splitting the BX19 into '2' separte routes makes sense.

 

The 1st route would run between Riverbank Park (Late evenings/Overnights at 145th/Bway.)and West Farms Sq (5)station. Another route between Gun Hill Rd (2)station and 149th/Grand Concourse.

 

Just a Thought.

[cotb16]

I think other than limited stop service maybe splitting the BX19 into '2' separte routes makes sense.

 

The 1st route would run between Riverbank Park (Late evenings/Overnights at 145th/Bway.)and West Farms Sq (5)station. Another route between Gun Hill Rd (2)station and 149th/Grand Concourse.

 

Just a Thought.

 

I'd split it a little bit differently. I would make one run between Riverbank State Park and Southern Blvd/Westchester Av (Simpson St station). The second route would run between Barretto Point Park in Hunts Point and most likely Marble Hill/225th St station, replacing most of the Bx9.

[mark1447]

BX19 and Bx40/42..

 

Bx19 could use a LTD while extending service passed Southern Blvd & NYBG to Bedford Park Terminal @Concourse Yd. It isn't far at all. Add LTD while keeping the BX19 ending at its current location. Bx19 has a high amount of passangers especially during rush hours t/from Mott Haven/The Hub and Manhattan and Fordham to East Tremont(174th Street)

 

The Bx40/42 COULD use LTD, it makes no sense to have the Bx40/42 run ALL local stops from the Towers to Harding & Randall. Make the Bx40 Limited Stop and Bx42 Local. These routes are the longest Crosstown bus in the Bronx compared to the Bx12.

 

Just suggestion, not saying its gonna happen.

[cotb16]

BX19 and Bx40/42..

 

Bx19 could use a LTD while extending service passed Southern Blvd & NYBG to Bedford Park Terminal @Concourse Yd. It isn't far at all. Add LTD while keeping the BX19 ending at its current location. Bx19 has a high amount of passangers especially during rush hours t/from Mott Haven/The Hub and Manhattan and Fordham to East Tremont(174th Street)

 

The Bx40/42 COULD use LTD, it makes no sense to have the Bx40/42 run ALL local stops from the Towers to Harding & Randall. Make the Bx40 Limited Stop and Bx42 Local. These routes are the longest Crosstown bus in the Bronx compared to the Bx12.

 

Just suggestion, not saying its gonna happen.

 

Limited service on the Bx19 and Bx40/42 would probably be difficult since they have stretches with single-lanes per direction (such as the Bx19 underneath the and lines and the Bx40/42 from West Farms Square to University Avenue).

[IRT Bronx Express]

 

The Bx40/42 COULD use LTD, it makes no sense to have the Bx40/42 run ALL local stops from the Towers to Harding & Randall. Make the Bx40 Limited Stop and Bx42 Local. These routes are the longest Crosstown bus in the Bronx compared to the Bx12.

Amen to that. They are heavily utilized and it's always packed during the rush hours, that's a fact. Two local buses are NOT needed at all. If one becomes limited, then the other route becomes local, and they'll handle everything fine. Limited service is a must.

[FamousNYLover]

I remember when I was on Bx41 LTD under EL portion, it was stuck behind Bx41 Local, BM11, and well as Bee-Line buses.

[Shortline Bus]

Amen to that. They are heavily utilized and it's always packed during the rush hours, that's a fact. Two local buses are NOT needed at all. If one becomes limited, then the other route becomes local, and they'll handle everything fine. Limited service is a must.

 

Second that bro. Why is the B40/42 not limited besides the Bx19? based on the few times I riden the BX40/42, it needed at least rush hours.

[mark1447]

Limited service on the Bx19 and Bx40/42 would probably be difficult since they have stretches with single-lanes per direction (such as the Bx19 underneath the and lines and the Bx40/42 from West Farms Square to University Avenue).

 

Theres 3 lanes(Both sides 1 parking 2 in use) on East Tremont Avenue west of Boston Road to Park Avenue, i dont see much of a problem. Its just like the Bx36 Limited along 180th Street and 174th Street.

 

I would have the Bx40 however, skip Concourse and go under the Burnside Avenue tunnel and making the next stop WB Jerome and East Bound Tremont/Webster.

 

The Bx19 I would use the outer lanes under the WPR EL or use an alternative way or Local Service under the EL.

 

Amen to that. They are heavily utilized and it's always packed during the rush hours, that's a fact. Two local buses are NOT needed at all. If one becomes limited, then the other route becomes local, and they'll handle everything fine. Limited service is a must.

 

Go to West Farms Square West Bound and it is packed. AM Rush hours from Crotona Avenue to Boston road n such as short separation it is packed as hell.

[IRT Bronx Express]

Theres 3 lanes(Both sides 1 parking 2 in use) on East Tremont Avenue west of Boston Road to Park Avenue, i dont see much of a problem. Its just like the Bx36 Limited along 180th Street and 174th Street.

Exactly my point, and the Bx36 Limited is never delayed if double parking becomes an issue.

 

Go to West Farms Square West Bound and it is packed. AM Rush hours from Crotona Avenue to Boston road n such as short separation it is packed as hell.

You can say the same about the students that attend some school at Purdy Street (forgot the name) and Lehman High School. No matter how many buses arrive, two or three, it will always be jammed and be prone to delays.

 

Second that bro. Why is the B40/42 not limited besides the Bx19? based on the few times I riden the BX40/42, it needed at least rush hours.

That should've been done 20 years ago when the Bx42 was introduced. :tdown:

[cotb16]

Theres 3 lanes(Both sides 1 parking 2 in use) on East Tremont Avenue west of Boston Road to Park Avenue, i dont see much of a problem. Its just like the Bx36 Limited along 180th Street and 174th Street.

 

I would have the Bx40 however, skip Concourse and go under the Burnside Avenue tunnel and making the next stop WB Jerome and East Bound Tremont/Webster.

 

 

Having the Bx40 bypass Concourse would be a pretty bad idea since many riders get on/off there for the Bx1/2 and the train (two blocks south at 179th Street, the Tremont Avenue station).

[uptown164]

BX19 and Bx40/42..

 

Bx19 could use a LTD while extending service passed Southern Blvd & NYBG to Bedford Park Terminal @Concourse Yd. It isn't far at all. Add LTD while keeping the BX19 ending at its current location. Bx19 has a high amount of passangers especially during rush hours t/from Mott Haven/The Hub and Manhattan and Fordham to East Tremont(174th Street)

 

The Bx40/42 COULD use LTD, it makes no sense to have the Bx40/42 run ALL local stops from the Towers to Harding & Randall. Make the Bx40 Limited Stop and Bx42 Local. These routes are the longest Crosstown bus in the Bronx compared to the Bx12.

 

Just suggestion, not saying its gonna happen.

That would be good for the Bx19 or even the 205 St station

 

I never understood that about the Bx40/42

[Q43 Floral Park]

That would be good for the Bx19 or even the 205 St station

 

I never understood that about the Bx40/42

 

Theres no more room at 205 St to turn routes and thats a heavily trafficked area. Extending the BX19 to Harris Field with LTD would work. that current last stop which isn't even at the Botanical Gardens doesn't make much sense.

 

Its because of the headways, as it stands you get a bus every 6 mins during rush hours (we all know that rarely happens) making all stops. if the Bx40 starts running LTD then you'd be getting a bus every 12 mins at a local stop unless more service was added. I do think LTD service would be beneficial though

[checkmatechamp13]

Since limited-stop routes take a shorter amount of time to complete their run, that generally means that the route gets to run more frequently. Eiher that, or the savings that result from the creation of the limited-stop route can be reinvested into improving local service, so the Bx40 could conceivably see increased frequencies.

 

I don't see any 1-lane stretches of Tremont Avenue. I looked on Google Earth and all of Tremont Avenue looks like it has 1 lane for driving and another lane for parking, which means that the limited-stop bus could pass the local.

 

The stops could be:

Randall Avenue

Westchester Avenue

White Plains Road

Boston Road

Southern Blvd

Third Avenue

Webster Avenue/Tremont MNRR

 

Local stops would be east of Randall Avenue and west of Webster Avenue.

[cotb16]

Since limited-stop routes take a shorter amount of time to complete their run, that generally means that the route gets to run more frequently. Eiher that, or the savings that result from the creation of the limited-stop route can be reinvested into improving local service, so the Bx40 could conceivably see increased frequencies.

 

I don't see any 1-lane stretches of Tremont Avenue. I looked on Google Earth and all of Tremont Avenue looks like it has 1 lane for driving and another lane for parking, which means that the limited-stop bus could pass the local.

 

The stops could be:

Randall Avenue

Westchester Avenue

White Plains Road

Boston Road

Southern Blvd

Third Avenue

Webster Avenue/Tremont MNRR

 

Local stops would be east of Randall Avenue and west of Webster Avenue.

 

It might not look that way, but add constant double-parking and many trucks making deliveries on Tremont and Burnside west of West Farms and there's bound to be congestion. Not to mention the buses would have to block the traffic thanks to the double-parking, which is why the Bx40/42 are slow in the first place. Thank God for the Bx36 at East 180th Street.

 

As for the LTD stops, I would do them a little bit differently:

 

Local between River Park Towers and Webster Av

Webster/Tremont Avs

3rd Av

Crotona Av

Southern Blvd

West Farms Square

Unionport-White Plains Rds

Castle Hill-Bronxdale Avs

Westchester Square

Bruckner Blvd

Randall Av

Then Local to Throggs Neck or SUNY Maritime

[mark1447]

Having the Bx40 bypass Concourse would be a pretty bad idea since many riders get on/off there for the Bx1/2 and the train (two blocks south at 179th Street, the Tremont Avenue station).

 

Ive gone to Burnside/Concourse and its not heavy with passangers, the Bx40 would do bypassing unless passangers would demand LTD service there.

 

Theres no more room at 205 St to turn routes and thats a heavily trafficked area. Extending the BX19 to Harris Field with LTD would work. that current last stop which isn't even at the Botanical Gardens doesn't make much sense.

 

Its because of the headways, as it stands you get a bus every 6 mins during rush hours (we all know that rarely happens) making all stops. if the Bx40 starts running LTD then you'd be getting a bus every 12 mins at a local stop unless more service was added. I do think LTD service would be beneficial though

 

You do make a point, especially since routes: Bx10/Bx26/Bx28/Bx22/BL4/BL20Lcl/BL21LTD all go thru there.

 

Are you saying have the Bx19 end at White Plains Road/Allerton Avenue? Thats another good thought.

[checkmatechamp13]

It might not look that way, but add constant double-parking and many trucks making deliveries on Tremont and Burnside west of West Farms and there's bound to be congestion. Not to mention the buses would have to block the traffic thanks to the double-parking, which is why the Bx40/42 are slow in the first place. Thank God for the Bx36 at East 180th Street.

 

As for the LTD stops, I would do them a little bit differently:

 

Local between River Park Towers and Webster Av

Webster/Tremont Avs

3rd Av

Crotona Av

Southern Blvd

West Farms Square

Unionport-White Plains Rds

Castle Hill-Bronxdale Avs

Westchester Square

Bruckner Blvd

Randall Av

Then Local to Throggs Neck or SUNY Maritime

 

I figured that the Bx19 at Southern Blvd would be more popular than the Bx17 at Crotona Avenue, so I figured that that stop would cover all passengers wishing to travel north-south in that neighborhood. I also didn't see a need for a Castle Hill Avenue stop, since there is nothing to transfer to there.

 

I don't see how I missed Bruckner Blvd. Thanks for catching that.

[IRT Bronx Express]

A bus stop at Castle Hill might be useful once the new Bx4A debuts in two months.

[checkmatechamp13]

Ive gone to Burnside/Concourse and its not heavy with passangers, the Bx40 would do bypassing unless passangers would demand LTD service there.

 

 

 

You do make a point, especially since routes: Bx10/Bx26/Bx28/Bx22/BL4/BL20Lcl/BL21LTD all go thru there.

 

Are you saying have the Bx19 end at White Plains Road/Allerton Avenue? Thats another good thought.

 

No, I think he's saying to have the Bx19 end with the Bx22/Bx26 at 205th Street/Paul Avenue.

 

A bus stop at Castle Hill might be useful once the new Bx4A debuts in two months.

 

True, though passengers traveling westbound can just transfer at Westchester Avenue.

I wanted the limited to make as few stops as possible, so it would provide the most time savings. Every time the bus stops, it has to accelerate and decelerate, which takes up time. Also, if the limited takes too many major stops, you might have overcrowded limiteds and undercrowded locals.

How is the Bx36 limited-stop service doing? It's stops are fairly close together, so it might give an idea of whether it is better to have more stops or fewer stops.

[mark1447]

No, I think he's saying to have the Bx19 end with the Bx22/Bx26 at 205th Street/Paul Avenue.

 

That would be toooo long for the Bx19, about the same as the BX36.

[checkmatechamp13]

That would be toooo long for the Bx19, about the same as the BX36.

 

But was that what Q43 Floral Park was saying (205th Street/Paul Avenue), or was it White Plains Road/Allerton Avenue?

[IRT Bronx Express]

@checkmatechamp13 - I forgot about that... B)

 

About the Limited service, its purpose is to stop at major transfer points while skipping other stops. It doesn't mean that all passengers at a limited stop will utilize the limited bus. They might want to get off at a local stop not served by the limited bus, and that's when the local bus can come in handy.

[checkmatechamp13]

@checkmatechamp13 - I forgot about that... B)

 

About the Limited service, its purpose is to stop at major transfer points while skipping other stops. It doesn't mean that all passengers at a limited stop will utilize the limited bus. They might want to get off at a local stop not served by the limited bus, and that's when the local bus can come in handy.

 

In that case, the loads would be more balanced, with long-distance passengers opting for the limited-stop bus and shorter-distance passengers using the locals. I guess for a short trip, speed doesn't matter as much as getting a direct ride does.

[mark1447]

But was that what Q43 Floral Park was saying (205th Street/Paul Avenue), or was it White Plains Road/Allerton Avenue?

 

I think he meant WPR/Allerton cuz i google the park in the bronx and thats where it is.