EE Broadway Local Posted December 10, 2010 Share #1 Posted December 10, 2010 Top Stories 9:47 AM FDNY To Charge Drivers For Emergency Response By: NY1 News The cash-strapped city is set to become one of a growing number of cities implementing a so-called "crash tax" or "accident tax". Under the proposal: • $365.00 for responding to a crash without injuries • $415.00 to put out a car fire with no injuries • $490.00 for responding to a crash with injuries or to put out a car fire with injuries. A FDNY spokesman says the move is designed to relieve pressure on the taxpayer by charging those who are at fault and their insurance companies. Story and video from NY1: http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/130395/fdny-to-charge-drivers-for-emergency-response Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Glen Posted December 10, 2010 Share #2 Posted December 10, 2010 Don't blame me. I didn't vote for Bloomberg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infamous85 Posted December 10, 2010 Share #3 Posted December 10, 2010 Don't blame me. I didn't vote for Bloomberg. Lmfao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted December 10, 2010 Share #4 Posted December 10, 2010 This isn't a bad idea except that... at accidents it's not always the driver that call for a bus to respond, many times it's a passer by. I would like to see the details on this as to how they deterimine who pays what, but this is just the same as when people get billed for taking a bus ride to the emergency room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted December 10, 2010 Share #5 Posted December 10, 2010 As someone on subchat said: be prepared for more hit and run incidents. Especially if the person is driving a POS car, illegal alien, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted December 10, 2010 Share #6 Posted December 10, 2010 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted December 11, 2010 Share #7 Posted December 11, 2010 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted December 11, 2010 Share #8 Posted December 11, 2010 So lemme get this straight: If I crash into somebody and my car still works but the other person may be dead, it'll cost me $490 to call somebody to help the possibly dead / dying guy? That's the most disgusting policy I've ever heard of. So if some schmuck knocks me unconscious in my car, he can just drive away and let me bleed out to save himself money. What half-brained imbecile thought of charging to help the injured? This is why we need to raise taxes, so we can fund our city and policies like this are unnecessary. You do know that you do get a bill from the city if you use EMS? This is just the same except it gets paid to the FDNY, not EMS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted December 11, 2010 Share #9 Posted December 11, 2010 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted December 11, 2010 Share #10 Posted December 11, 2010 Right, it's around $500 per ride. There's a difference though, FDNY are first responders whereas EMS are there to help you and potentially perform necessary medical procedures. The key word is INJURY. Now you're looking at a $350 bill for calling for help as opposed to the previous bill for actual help after an injury. The new policy is an incentive to not call for help, which is grotesque. Cost of an ambulance ride is part of a hospital bill, imo. EMS are trained first responders too and they are dispatched to calls like this automatically. Also, a bus ride can cost well over $1000 even with minor injuries. If anything, people should not be calling 911 for accidents as much as they already do. Many times the FDNY responds to fender benders were there are no injuries and it is a total waste of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted December 11, 2010 Share #11 Posted December 11, 2010 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted December 11, 2010 Share #12 Posted December 11, 2010 True, EMS are also trained for this, but obviously FDNY arrive first and make the first judgement regarding medical treatment, etc. [Full disclosure: the details of this are not my forté, but I do have a basic of idea of the logistics.] $1000 is a bit steep, no? 4 miles + minor injuries ~ $600, no? Anyway, you're certainly right that 911 is called too much, but these charges are simply too steep. There's protecting the taxpayer, and there's protecting the individual. When we put so much effort into giving the taxpayer bang for his buck that the average man sees a reduced level of protection and service (in this case, a cost for a former service), that's a problem. And with this policy, that's what happens. Better to play it safe than sorry. Depending on the location, EMS often responds first in Manhattan or Downtown Brooklyn followed by NYPD, then FDNY. This policy has been used before by many towns and small municipalities around the country. If anything, this would increase the level of protection provided by the FDNY since they won't be sent out on BS calls. If anything, FDNY should only be responding to car fires. For pin job, roll overs and extrication s, ESU is more then qualified to handle those jobs and they can do so for less money. When an engine leaves it's house it carries about 6 fire fighters and usually 2 or 3 trucks go to an accident and it takes all of them to do the work. On the other hand, 1 ESU truck can respond and take action with only 2 to 4 officers on scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
553 Bridgeton Posted December 11, 2010 Share #13 Posted December 11, 2010 Reporting a fender bender is just stupid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOB2RTO Posted December 12, 2010 Share #14 Posted December 12, 2010 Top Stories 9:47 AM FDNY To Charge Drivers For Emergency Response By: NY1 News The cash-strapped city is set to become one of a growing number of cities implementing a so-called "crash tax" or "accident tax". Under the proposal: • $365.00 for responding to a crash without injuries • $415.00 to put out a car fire with no injuries • $490.00 for responding to a crash with injuries or to put out a car fire with injuries. A FDNY spokesman says the move is designed to relieve pressure on the taxpayer by charging those who are at fault and their insurance companies. Story and video from NY1: http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/130395/fdny-to-charge-drivers-for-emergency-response In bold, I am curious to what that means. Does this means the drivers who are in the accident? Does it mean the driver who cause the accident? We have no-fault accident in NYS, which skyrockets our rate (now we are 3rd in nation behind Louisiana, and NJ. Only time we have fault here, is a rear end collision......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Julio Posted December 12, 2010 Share #15 Posted December 12, 2010 You do know that you do get a bill from the city if you use EMS? This is just the same except it gets paid to the FDNY, not EMS. The NYC EMS is part of FDNY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted December 12, 2010 Share #16 Posted December 12, 2010 The NYC EMS is part of FDNY. Yes, but (there is always a but) FDNY EMS acts as it's own agency so when FDNY EMS bills you, the money goes to EMS not a general FDNY account.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted December 13, 2010 Share #17 Posted December 13, 2010 When an engine leaves it's house it carries about 6 fire fighters and usually 2 or 3 trucks go to an accident and it takes all of them to do the work. Haha. It's the unwritten rule that an FDNY presence must consist of at least 50 hoseheads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted December 13, 2010 Share #18 Posted December 13, 2010 Haha. It's the unwritten rule that an FDNY presence must consist of at least 50 hoseheads. F**king rubbermen, let the real pros handle the job. Call the E-men. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzYxz_uvtSI&feature=player_embedded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediccjh Posted December 13, 2010 Share #19 Posted December 13, 2010 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rr4567 Posted December 13, 2010 Share #20 Posted December 13, 2010 I'll walk to the hospital with my broken leg, thank you. I can also tell you where they can shove this "crash charge" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveragejoe Posted December 17, 2010 Share #21 Posted December 17, 2010 The NYC EMS is part of FDNY. Merged in 1996 IIRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaveragejoe Posted December 17, 2010 Share #22 Posted December 17, 2010 Top Stories 9:47 AM FDNY To Charge Drivers For Emergency Response By: NY1 News The cash-strapped city is set to become one of a growing number of cities implementing a so-called "crash tax" or "accident tax". Under the proposal: • $365.00 for responding to a crash without injuries • $415.00 to put out a car fire with no injuries • $490.00 for responding to a crash with injuries or to put out a car fire with injuries. A FDNY spokesman says the move is designed to relieve pressure on the taxpayer by charging those who are at fault and their insurance companies. Story and video from NY1: http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/130395/fdny-to-charge-drivers-for-emergency-response Toronto does the same thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted December 17, 2010 Share #23 Posted December 17, 2010 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted December 17, 2010 Share #24 Posted December 17, 2010 I'll walk to the hospital with my broken leg, thank you. I can also tell you where they can shove this "crash charge" Hell yeah, you have to pay for accident.. Smh. No way! Besides, what if it was a bike that hits a car parked with people inside, i wonder if charges would occur, even tho no one will get hurt except the cyclist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QM1to6Ave Posted December 17, 2010 Share #25 Posted December 17, 2010 You can also call one of the local volunteer EMS's if you happen to be near one's response area and want a free Bus ride (I know there's a few around Queens, like Flushing VAC, etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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