Welcome to the New Jay Street/MetroTech Station!

[IRT Bronx Express]

 

 

The Metropolitan Transportation Authority has put the finishing touches on a completely renovated Jay Street/Borough Hall A, C, F station as well as a new free connection to the Lawrence Street/MetroTech R station. Put it all together and you have the newly renamed Jay Street/MetroTech Station, an inviting entry point to the bustling Downtown Brooklyn area!

 

For the first time, customers can transfer between A, C and F lines at Jay Street to R line trains at Lawrence Street. The new transfer provides a strategic connection between multiple routes in Brooklyn. The R train has existing cross-platform connections at DeKalb Avenue to the B, Q, N and D routes so connecting it to the A, C and F Lines offers several convenient travel options. It is projected that approximately 35,000 customers will use the transfer each day.

 

Read more: http://www.mta.info/news/stories/?story=155

 

 

 

 

[Shortline Bus]

Sorry IRT. Sea Beach already posted same topic few days ago.:confused:

 

http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25351

 

 

 

The Metropolitan Transportation Authority has put the finishing touches on a completely renovated Jay Street/Borough Hall A, C, F station as well as a new free connection to the Lawrence Street/MetroTech R station. Put it all together and you have the newly renamed Jay Street/MetroTech Station, an inviting entry point to the bustling Downtown Brooklyn area!

 

For the first time, customers can transfer between A, C and F lines at Jay Street to R line trains at Lawrence Street. The new transfer provides a strategic connection between multiple routes in Brooklyn. The R train has existing cross-platform connections at DeKalb Avenue to the B, Q, N and D routes so connecting it to the A, C and F Lines offers several convenient travel options. It is projected that approximately 35,000 customers will use the transfer each day.

 

Read more: http://www.mta.info/news/stories/?story=155

 

 

 

 

[Broadway Local]

I like the Jay St-Metrotech transfer. I hope it will be on the future Second Avenue Subway on stations that can be transferred. :cool:

 

Sorry IRT. Sea Beach already posted same topic few days ago.:confused:

 

 

It's different. Sea Beach's one is about when will the Jay St-Metrotech will open, IRT's is about the New Transfer right now.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

Was the connection needed? Certainly. Did they need to put in fancy mosaics and such? NO, and that's what I'm referring to when I say overspending. Completely unnecessary for an agency that is raising fares, cutting service and crying broke. They spend all of this money on putting in fancy tiles and such and they don't even have the money to clean them the damn stations. Just about all of the subway stations are filthy, so what is the point in spending millions with high end finishes if you can't maintain the station and wash the platforms??

[Guest lance25]

Yes the connection was needed; it was needed badly. Without the transfer, people had to either take the to 4 Av-9 St for the train or pay an extra fare to go from Lawrence St to Jay St.

 

Concerning the cost, the money for this as well as the various other projects, is paid for out of the capital budget, not the operating budget.

[Sea Beach]

Sorry IRT. Sea Beach already posted same topic few days ago.:confused:

 

http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25351

 

It's different. Sea Beach's one is about when will the Jay St-Metrotech will open, IRT's is about the New Transfer right now.

 

lol it dont matter, although everything in one thread would be easier

[LRG]

I can't wait to use the transfer tomorrow morning!!!

 

And to Mr. Critic a few floors above me, there's nothing wrong with putting mosaics in the station as it was budgeted long beforehand...what's wrong with making our subway stations attractive? It's art, appreciate it.

[checkmatechamp13]

I believe that, since this project used federal money (somebody correct me if I'm wrong), a certain percentage has to be spent on artwork. I'm not sure what the percentage is, but I recall it is somewhere between 1% and 4%.

[lilbluefoxie]

yea but its the , it woulda been better if they could somehow hook Hoyt Street into the Atlantic-Pacific station complex

[Grand Concourse]

I kinda fear with this transfer, the to Church av [once that project is over] may no longer be needed. As the MTA will likely figure riders will have to transfer to the to get to Jay st and take the .

 

But other than that I think this is a great thing especially how riders from Atlantic-Pacific can now take the to metrotech and transfer to the IND lines.

[Forest Glen]

Quite a few people travel from Williamsburg to Park Slope so the to Church would still be utilized.

[Grand Concourse]

Well on that note, that's a plus then. Still the MTA seems to have a thing against the by shoving it out of Queens even weekends and late nights when only the runs local. I understand Manahttan has the priority, but late nights and weekends? I just hope the Brooklyn end gets the longer line.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

I can't wait to use the transfer tomorrow morning!!!

 

And to Mr. Critic a few floors above me, there's nothing wrong with putting mosaics in the station as it was budgeted long beforehand...what's wrong with making our subway stations attractive? It's art, appreciate it.

 

Clearly when it comes to the MTA, budgets are made to be revised, just like this one could've been. Put in fewer mosaics and take the money saved to restore service OR make subway service better by fixing more signals. Jay Walder stated the other day that the MTA is behind of updating signals in the subway system. I'm sure passengers would appreciate that much more in these tough fiscal times.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

Yes the connection was needed; it was needed badly. Without the transfer, people had to either take the to 4 Av-9 St for the train or pay an extra fare to go from Lawrence St to Jay St.

 

Concerning the cost, the money for this as well as the various other projects, is paid for out of the capital budget, not the operating budget.

 

But one of the reasons for the capital budget is to improve service, not just to make stations look nice and pretty. So all I'm saying is if the money has already been allocated and the MTA is crying broke, why not see how costs for pending capital projects can be reduced further and use that money for other capital projects like the over budget Fulton Street transit hub?

[Guest lance25]

But one of the reasons for the capital budget is to improve service, not just to make stations look nice and pretty. So all I'm saying is if the money has already been allocated and the MTA is crying broke, why not see how costs for pending capital projects can be reduced further and use that money for other capital projects like the over budget Fulton Street transit hub?

 

The capital and operational budgets cannot be transferred to each other, primarily because some of the funds come from the federal government.

 

Also, the Fulton Street Transit Center is being paid for through stimulus funds.

[LRG]

The capital and operational budgets cannot be transferred to each other, primarily because some of the funds come from the federal government.

 

Also, the Fulton Street Transit Center is being paid for through stimulus funds.

 

Excellent post.

[Eric B]

Was the connection needed? Certainly. Did they need to put in fancy mosaics and such? NO, and that's what I'm referring to when I say overspending. Completely unnecessary for an agency that is raising fares, cutting service and crying broke. They spend all of this money on putting in fancy tiles and such and they don't even have the money to clean them the damn stations. Just about all of the subway stations are filthy, so what is the point in spending millions with high end finishes if you can't maintain the station and wash the platforms??

I believe that, since this project used federal money (somebody correct me if I'm wrong), a certain percentage has to be spent on artwork. I'm not sure what the percentage is, but I recall it is somewhere between 1% and 4%.

Since the stations abutted each other, and I heard it was just a matter of knocking out a wall, or there may have already been some sort of connecting room, I thought why they didn't just make the bare connection rather than going "all out" like that. The same at Court Square. all the needed was a new stairway closed off from the street level to connect the subway and elevated mezzanine without tearing up and closing off the street and doing it all new.

 

But I guess these projects are used as occasions to convert stations to ADA accessibility. It's probably a mandate even, if they do any work on it. Wherever the money comes from, they should reconsider being that both the MTA and Federal are in dire straits now.

 

Speaking of which, I wonder when the Court Sq. transfer will be ready now. And the new entrance on 42nd St at 8th Avenue.

[R32 3348]

Clearly when it comes to the MTA, budgets are made to be revised, just like this one could've been. Put in fewer mosaics and take the money saved to restore service OR make subway service better by fixing more signals. Jay Walder stated the other day that the MTA is behind of updating signals in the subway system. I'm sure passengers would appreciate that much more in these tough fiscal times.

Yes, but it's not like a few mosaics cost $100 million...

Speaking of which, I wonder when the Court Sq. transfer will be ready now. And the new entrance on 42nd St at 8th Avenue.

That Court Sq. transfer will be ready by February. It was originally supposed to be open this month. Also, I remember reading in the other article that Citicorp (the Citibank building is right outside that station) had put in funds for the to construct the transfer, which would help explain why the transfer is on such a large scale.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

The capital and operational budgets cannot be transferred to each other, primarily because some of the funds come from the federal government.

 

Also, the Fulton Street Transit Center is being paid for through stimulus funds.

 

Okay, so if what you say is correct, then why #1 is the project delayed and #2 why are they constantly resizing the scope of the project and complaining about it being overbudget??? I'm perplexed that they can get this project up and running and within the budget when the construction sector is such bad shape here in NYC with the recession and all.

[Guest lance25]

1) It's the . When hasn't a project been drastically delayed for whatever reason. We just happened to get lucky with Jay Street-MetroTech.

 

2) The only thing that I heard that was under evaluation is the dome atop the new building. Plus, Fulton Street needs to be accessible regardless of costs as it's the only major transfer hub that you can't use if you're handicapped.

 

3) The entire country is in a recession, not just New York. However that should not stop new construction because, believe it or not, it helps the economy. New construction creates new jobs. New jobs mean that more people have money to spend and that money goes to various businesses, thus stimulating the economy. It's simple economics.

[R32 3348]

Okay, so if what you say is correct, then why #1 is the project delayed and #2 why are they constantly resizing the scope of the project and complaining about it being overbudget??? I'm perplexed that they can get this project up and running and within the budget when the construction sector is such bad shape here in NYC with the recession and all.

The project is not delayed by its current construction schedule set to finish by the end of 2014. The project was supposed to be finished either by the end of 2007 or 2009 (I don't remember), but it was delayed back in 2008 because of the recession driving steel and misc. construction costs through the roof. This is also why it went 100% over budget ($750 million to $1.4 billion). They are also not 'constantly resizing' the project, the only time they wanted to redesign it was back in 2008 when funds were tight. After they received stimulus dollars in 2009, everything's back on track.

[Bill from Maspeth]

Was the connection needed? Certainly. Did they need to put in fancy mosaics and such? NO, and that's what I'm referring to when I say overspending. Completely unnecessary for an agency that is raising fares, cutting service and crying broke. They spend all of this money on putting in fancy tiles and such and they don't even have the money to clean them the damn stations. Just about all of the subway stations are filthy, so what is the point in spending millions with high end finishes if you can't maintain the station and wash the platforms??

There is a difference between the Capital Budget (for improvements) and the Operating Budget (for everyday tasks).

[LRG]

I used the transfer this morning and I love it. I no longer have to deal with the (F)ail train as well as the horrid steps at Ninth Street. And no I'm not lazy as I do exercise througout the course of my school days but those steps were excrutiating! Jay Street for the ultimate win!

[Amtrak7]

I believe that, since this project used federal money (somebody correct me if I'm wrong), a certain percentage has to be spent on artwork. I'm not sure what the percentage is, but I recall it is somewhere between 1% and 4%.

 

Correct. I find it a bit insane and it probably is another one of those lobbying special interests that got it into legislation.

 

I think 3%.

[SmallParkShuttle]

On Friday I took a detour home from class to check out the transfer. I go from 238 St in on the to the Sea Beach Line in Bk. Usually I take the IRT Broadway/7 Ave line to Times Sq and transfer to the . Instead I took the to 168, the to 59 (which was how long I had to wait for an , one never passed), the to Jay, the to Atlantic-Pacific, and the home. I even had time to get number of pictures of the transfer.

 

Since I was going this detoured route, I expected to get home much later than usual. The result: I got home 15 minutes later than I usually do, which means I was about one train behind my normal one. All that to say that the transfer definitely is a valuable link in Downtown Brooklyn.

 

Another thing that surprised me about this transfer is that it is short. No more than a 3-5 minute walk from platform to platform.