2Line1291 Posted June 11, 2011 Share #601 Posted June 11, 2011 As I said before earlier in this topic... from Arlington Staten Island to Harlem-125th St. The would replace the to Astoria and the or would run on Sea Beach. But a North Shore subway line would move the North Shore towards a positive direction like increased land values and greater transportation options (including a "1" seat subway ride to Manhattan). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted June 11, 2011 Share #602 Posted June 11, 2011 No. It would just be too confusing. Staten Island doesn't need express subway service. Just something to help them get off the island is sufficient. High speed ferries could give faster and much more direct service for the island. The subway would be slow and move in a circumference to Manhattan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Subway Posted June 11, 2011 Share #603 Posted June 11, 2011 But a North Shore subway line would move the North Shore towards a positive direction like increased land values and greater transportation options (including a "1" seat subway ride to Manhattan). Exactly! The North Shore would be boosted by the subway, and people on the (or as CJ_2Line91 says) would have a one seat ride to Manhattan. People on the SIR would be better off transfer-wise as well, as they would have a 2 seat ride instead of the 3 currently. By the way, Roadcruiser, the SIR could be turned into an during Rush-Hours for St. George-bound trains. That would be just as useful as a going down there. Just leave Bay Terrace it's stop, please :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexis4Jersey Posted June 11, 2011 Share #604 Posted June 11, 2011 Not fully true the PA only operates the airports, they dont own them. Newark is owned by the city of Newark, JFK and LGA are owned by the City of NY Actually the PA does own the Airports , Seaports and Hudson / Kill Van Kull Bridges... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted June 11, 2011 Share #605 Posted June 11, 2011 Well the benefits of running the on the North Shore Branch would allow it to run on the Astoria Line in Queens, because it would have less stations. At max the new from Astoria Ditmars Boulevard to Newark Liberty International Airport would only have 43 stations as a local train. It would be about as long as the . Also the can't be moved to Staten Island. My math shows that it's already long enough, and it shouldn't be any longer. Switching it won't help either, and the is too far off in time to even be considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Subway Posted June 11, 2011 Share #606 Posted June 11, 2011 Well the benefits of running the on the North Shore Branch would allow it to run on the Astoria Line in Queens, because it would have less stations. At max the new from Astoria Ditmars Boulevard to Newark Liberty International Airport would only have 43 stations as a local train. It would be about as long as the . Also the can't be moved to Staten Island. My math shows that it's already long enough, and it shouldn't be any longer. Switching it won't help either, and the is too far off in time to even be considered. Finally, someone gets one of my ideas! The would actually be 5 stations shorter than the ; the already has its own problems, and the , like the Edsel, is a no-go. (I can't believe I was able to fit in a Billy Joel refrence!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted June 11, 2011 Share #607 Posted June 11, 2011 Actually it would be 2 stations shorter in my idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Subway Posted June 11, 2011 Share #608 Posted June 11, 2011 Actually it would be 2 stations shorter in my idea. Sorry. I must have had a mathematical error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted June 11, 2011 Share #609 Posted June 11, 2011 Anyway here is how the strategy would play out on the map. The West Shore Light Rail, and my idea of a light rail line from Eltingville to Bay Ridge-95th Street is also seen here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Subway Posted June 11, 2011 Share #610 Posted June 11, 2011 Anyway here is how the strategy would play out on the map. The West Shore Light Rail, and my idea of a light rail line from Eltingville to Bay Ridge-95th Street is also seen here. Very good! Can you have a station where the West Shore Light Rail and the intersect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted June 11, 2011 Share #611 Posted June 11, 2011 No the West Shore Light Rail would be on the Bayonne Bridge's ramps, and the North Shore Line would be in open cut. There is no way a train station could be built between these two. However at Arlington there is a visible transfer between the North Shore Branch and the West Shore Light Rail as seen on the map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Subway Posted June 12, 2011 Share #612 Posted June 12, 2011 No the West Shore Light Rail would be on the Bayonne Bridge's ramps, and the North Shore Line would be in open cut. There is no way a train station could be built between these two. However at Arlington there is a visible transfer between the North Shore Branch and the West Shore Light Rail as seen on the map. I hadn't even seen that little transfer line... How can the be open cut? Staten Island is hard bedrock, it would be impractical to build a tunnel underground. I can get it at the very beginning, near St. George, but a line similar to the SIR would be more practical, not to mention much cheaper, because the old lines are already above-ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted June 12, 2011 Share #613 Posted June 12, 2011 The North Shore Branch between Elm Park & Port Ivory is completely constructed into open cut. The , and the will use this ROW. So it would be in open cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Subway Posted June 12, 2011 Share #614 Posted June 12, 2011 The North Shore Branch between Elm Park & Port Ivory is completely constructed into open cut. The , and the will use this ROW. So it would be in open cut. Really? How did they accomplish it, with SI's hard bedrock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted June 12, 2011 Share #615 Posted June 12, 2011 Don't ask me. I wasn't alive during the years the SIR was under construction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted June 12, 2011 Share #616 Posted June 12, 2011 Also here is a geological map of Staten Island showing what bedrock is where. Here is an explanation of what is what. Diabase- Volcanic basalt rocks. Sandstone/Conglomerate- Rocks made out of sand. Serpentine- Rocks made out of iron and nickel. Till- Is glacial sand. Outwash- Glacier rocks composed of sand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Subway Posted June 12, 2011 Share #617 Posted June 12, 2011 Don't ask me. I wasn't alive during the years the SIR was under construction. The question was rhetorical. I'm astounded at their workpersonship. At least I know how the West Shore LR can't transfer directly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Subway Posted June 12, 2011 Share #618 Posted June 12, 2011 Also here is a geological map of Staten Island showing what bedrock is where. So the whole island is not hard bedrock? That explains it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Subway Posted June 16, 2011 Share #619 Posted June 16, 2011 Anyone? Hellooo? Is anybody still here? Or is this thread done for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted June 16, 2011 Share #620 Posted June 16, 2011 Anyone? Hellooo? Is anybody still here? Or is this thread done for? Possibly. Just like other threads, eventually you run out of things to say. There's no point in trying to reactivate a dead thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted June 16, 2011 Share #621 Posted June 16, 2011 Exactly. The problem has been solved the page before so it's useless unless if you have new ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRT Bronx Express Posted June 16, 2011 Share #622 Posted June 16, 2011 There's no point in trying to reactivate a dead thread.And the constant double posting isn't necessary at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Subway Posted June 17, 2011 Share #623 Posted June 17, 2011 Thanks. I will unsubscribe to this thread right away. And I double post because I can't figure out how to get two quotes in one posts, by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted June 18, 2011 Share #624 Posted June 18, 2011 This is instructions on how to use the mulit-quote feature: http://nyctransitforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2988 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Subway Posted June 18, 2011 Share #625 Posted June 18, 2011 This is instructions on how to use the mulit-quote feature: http://nyctransitforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2988 Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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