3800 & The Orion VII NG Demos.

[Novabus 5000]

Has it been proven that Bus 1295 (One of the Orion NG Demos for ), it in fact now bus 3800. If you look at it, I don't think so.

 

Also, what are the stats on Demo buses 1292 & 1294?

[Guest MTA Bus]

When the NGs first arrived, Basiely Park tested 3 demo units: 1292, 1294, and 1295. What I want to know is:

1. Where are those demos ?

2.If MTA still has them, cant they give them to Basiely Park ?

[DaimlerBuses]

Has it been proven that Bus 1295 (One of the Orion NG Demos for ), it in fact now bus 3800. If you look at it, I don't think so.

 

Also, what are the stats on Demo buses 1292 & 1294?

1292 is still with Orion as an engineering/test bus as of this writing. 1294 was also used as a Orion engineering bus but is now with Roosevelt Island as #7.

[trainspot12]

http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25793

This will answer your question about #1 and with #2 I'm not sure what the specific reasoning was.

[R22 Shoal Point]

1295 was for sale on eBay November of last year.

[Novabus 5000]

1295 was for sale on eBay November of last year.

 

So 1295 & 3800 are 2 different buses? I was told differently.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

So 1295 & 3800 are 2 different buses? I was told differently.

 

 

Similar yes, but not exactly the same. I would imagine that modifications would've been made from the time that 1295 was put out and then 3800 came out.

 

 

One modification that was certainly made was to help improve the hybrids from bottoming out as they were getting killed on the SI streets. Now since many major streets have been repaved here on the island this year that were in horrible shape, that should be less of an issue in addition to the modifications that the MTA made. They supposedly also worked to improve the stop and start on the buses, but I still think they jerk way too much.

[R22 Shoal Point]

So 1295 & 3800 are 2 different buses? I was told differently.

It definately looks like 1295 and 3800 are different buses. The eBay listing showed 1295 as it was always specified (ie. without the extra exterior lights MTA specified on production buses). It also had a lithium ion battery pack swapped in.

[East New York]

3800 was the NG pilot built from scratch. The others were just demos. 1295 was modified to MTA some specs.

[East New York]

It definately looks like 1295 and 3800 are different buses. The eBay listing showed 1295 as it was always specified (ie. without the extra exterior lights MTA specified on production buses). It also had a lithium ion battery pack swapped in.

 

When did they swap in the lithium ion? It had lead acid when it was with us.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

When did they swap in the lithium ion? It had lead acid when it was with us.

 

 

When we started getting the 3900s and above here on Staten Island, I believe around that time the 3800s underwent some modifications. I would that's when the battery swap came in as well on some of them.

[East New York]

When we started getting the 3900s and above here on Staten Island, I believe around that time the 3800s underwent some modifications. I would that's when the battery swap came in as well on some of them.

 

None of the 3800's had modifications except 3800 and 3801. And these were only minor. There were no battery swaps either. 3800-3959 have lead acid batteries, and the rest have the newer lithium ion packs.

 

And 1294 was the only demo that I know of having lithium ions swapped in.

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[Via Garibaldi 8]

None of the 3800's had modifications except 3800 and 3801. And these were only minor. There were no battery swaps either. 3800-3959 have lead acid batteries, and the rest have the newer lithium ion packs.

 

And 1294 was the only demo that I know of having lithium ions swapped in.

 

By modifications, GPS was one thing that came to mind, as well as those luggage racks. As far as the battery swaps, I did remember that when the 3900s came out was when they switched from using the lead acid batteries to putting in the lithium ones, so that is why I said I thought that the battery swap came in on some of them, but I couldn't remember which ones, but I stated it poorly...

[East New York]

Well just to be a pedant, 3800-3829 have obviously been GPS-equipped, but you are right that there have been no major changes to the 38xx fleet.

 

I wasn't aware of 1295 having Li-ons either. Plus, weren't the Li-ons fitted to the demo buses a different shape than 3960 and above, closer to 6401/2 and 6485?

 

Yes, the one fitted to 1294 was similar to the ones retrofitted to the 6400's. The NG's have the standard A123 systems pack.

[Joel Up Front]

Why are the Orion VIIs all fitted with Alcoas instead of the old cast iron rims (name)?

[East New York]

Why are the Orion VIIs all fitted with Alcoas instead of the old cast iron rims (name)?

 

The same reason the Orions V's have them. Its just LIB specs.

[R22 Shoal Point]

1292, 1294 and 1295 all recevied lithium ion batteries sometime in 2009. 1291 (the red diesel demo) was converted to an EPA10 HEV around that time too.

[East New York]

1292, 1294 and 1295 all recevied lithium ion batteries sometime in 2009. 1291 (the red diesel demo) was converted to an EPA10 HEV around that time too.

 

Ok cool. Just wondering because I know it didnt when it was here.

[Joel Up Front]

Those Alcoas look tacky when painted... is the paint just aesthetic or does it actually do something?

[dmouse]

I thought one of the 129X demos belonged (or went) to TTC?

[aemoreira81]

I thought one of the 129X demos belonged (or went) to TTC?

 

No---to RIOC.

 

As for the Li+-boundary, it starts with bus 3960.

[East New York]

I thought one of the 129X demos belonged (or went) to TTC?

 

I think 1294 was a TTC unit....

[DaimlerBuses]

I think 1294 was a TTC unit....

Interior was built similar to TTC specs, but that's where the buck ends...