Law Posted January 9, 2011 Share #76 Posted January 9, 2011 Or they could have a parking garage for trains, an elevator for trains and lots of tracks and platforms and maybe the first floors can be bus garages, any takers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoSpectacular Posted January 9, 2011 Share #77 Posted January 9, 2011 What the hell does this have to do with this topic?:pLOL Ah, nothing, really... LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted January 9, 2011 Share #78 Posted January 9, 2011 Wirelessly posted via (BlackBerry8520/4.6.1.259 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/100) Well the could extend the museum either by making extra platforms, or build a high rise building by the Court Street Station, and store the trains in there, and make that part of the Museum too. Something like the Henry Ford Museum. It would work. I spend a lot of time downtown, there is absolutely NO SPACE for that kind of building down there. While I do get what you're saying (its actually not a bad idea) the NIMBYs down there would literally go ape s**t. Besides, the cost would be quite literally through the roof. Plus all the reroutes you have to do in the area (there's about 15 bus lines down there plus 2 main feeder stretts to 2 bridges) would result in a traffic nightmare. Good plan but not for this city. Espically not this city Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted January 9, 2011 Share #79 Posted January 9, 2011 Roadcruiser, put down the pipe and go out side for a while. The MTA has almost no money for its day to day operation yet you think that something like what your talking about would ever happen? Be real man, the most I could ever see being done would the TM organinzing yearly trips to 207th Street or CIYD where museum cars that are not on public display could be put on display in the overhaul shops for a day or two over a weekend and the public would be able to see them. Even that though is very unlikly to ever happen. As it is already, the TM has alot of things that are not on display and I'm not just talking about subway cars or buses. They have hundreds of documents, pictures and other artifacts which are not on display. Scale your dream back a bit dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted January 9, 2011 Share #80 Posted January 9, 2011 Ah, nothing, really... LOLLMAO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted January 9, 2011 Share #81 Posted January 9, 2011 As it is already, the TM has alot of things that are not on display and I'm not just talking about subway cars or buses. They have hundreds of documents, pictures and other artifacts which are not on display. But yet all of those things are available to anyone who has a legitimate request to see something specifically and it is free of charge to go. The people who are not allowed to enter the archive are the ones who just want to "look around" and have no purpose for being there. So Roadcruiser just because the Transit Museum is not going to spend millions/billions of dollars that neither it nor the MTA has on some does not mean they are the bad guys, it just means that you are asking for some kind of ridiculous impossibilty. You claim to be interested in engineering yet you seem to have no regard for the tremendous constraints and code requirements that need to be put into place to deliver 600 volts somewhere AND to place an object weighing close to six figures somewhere. I'm with the others that say put the pipe down and go breathe some oxygen. Every few months some brainiac hatches a multi billion dollar scheme to expand the Transit Museum and it's just not possible. Considering the space they have to work with they actually do a damn good job offering programming because there's no requirement anywhere that says they have to do tours of TA facilities, and there's no rule that museum trains even have to run. And yet they do. Frankly this "hey I got a great idea" shit is what is detracting from this place around here the last few months or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted January 9, 2011 Share #82 Posted January 9, 2011 But yet all of those things are available to anyone who has a legitimate request to see something specifically and it is free of charge to go. The people who are not allowed to enter the archive are the ones who just want to "look around" and have no purpose for being there. Being on display and being available by request are two very different things though and the TM doesn't really advertise the latter. It would be nice if they would make the TM a much better place if the documents and artifacts on display were changed up alot more then they are now. I mean 2 years is a long time to have the same displays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted January 10, 2011 Share #83 Posted January 10, 2011 Being on display and being available by request are two very different things though and the TM doesn't really advertise the latter. It would be nice if they would make the TM a much better place if the documents and artifacts on display were changed up alot more then they are now. I mean 2 years is a long time to have the same displays. True, the reason the "temporary" exhibits typically stay so long is it does take a decent chunk of change to put them together so they leave them for a while. Not only that there are corporate sponsors involved in many of them, and if they're going to sponsor the exhibit they want it to be there for a while. Plus it also takes quite a while to design a new one. I'm looking forward to the electricity one later this year, should be a welcome change from the Triboro Bridge exhibit. They do advertise the archive, but not in the traditional way. There's a reason they do what they do, they really don't just want people going down there to poke around, but if there's a reason to go down there they will help you out with whatever that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Glen Posted January 11, 2011 Share #84 Posted January 11, 2011 Before 9/11 occurred, it would've been a good idea to use the abandoned platform at Chambers Street as a transit museum. The unfortunate reality is that I will never step foot in a R110B. Instead, I get to ride the monotonous R160. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted January 11, 2011 Share #85 Posted January 11, 2011 The unfortunate reality is that I will never step foot in a R110B. Instead, I get to ride the monotonous R160. Funny, I was on a 110B about 2 weeks ago, they are a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harpomarx42 Posted January 11, 2011 Share #86 Posted January 11, 2011 Funny, I was on a 110B about 2 weeks ago, they are a mess. How did you get on? Part of the job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted January 11, 2011 Share #87 Posted January 11, 2011 How did you get on? Part of the job? Oh I can't say, it's top secret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harpomarx42 Posted January 12, 2011 Share #88 Posted January 12, 2011 Oh I can't say, it's top secret. Meh, I'll probably find out on Wikileaks soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted January 12, 2011 Share #89 Posted January 12, 2011 You've actually got that backwards. R110A was the contract for the design of the car. R130 was the contract for the production of the car. R110B was the contract for the design of the car. R131 was the contract for the production of the car. In most circles however it is common to refer to them as R110A and B. In fact the TA's own publications and those of the manufacturers frequently make reference to the "R110 car program" etc. Like this one: WOW! I still remember that sheet! I got one back in 1991! I think i still do somewhere stashed! I was lucky enough to ride both sets as early as 1992 when i was in high school! The automated announcements on the 110B were slow. Each 3car set had a different interior design as far as colors and mosaics. The middle set (3004-3006) had LCD signs similar to the Kawasaki 142s. IT was less prone to breakdowns compared to the 110A. Now the 110A were 2 5-cars sets arranged A-B-D-B-A with the D car being a trailer with traction motors. Trust me, i havce the spec and design sheets from the MTA themselves from when i was an intern in 96-97. In the last few years of service for the R110b, 3 cars were sacrificed for parts for the other 6 and ended its revenue life on the C. Since it was never programmed for the C, the automated announcements were turned off and the destination signs displayed "C-Listen for announcements" I also should still have the booklet that was distributed during the public display at 34th ST's BMT platform prior to entering service. ANd i can tell you, the R110B saw way more revenue service than the R110As. And as far as the contract numbers, The 110A and 110B are what they are known as with money for contracts 130 and 131 to pay for them. The Price per car? $3m per R110B car and around $2.2M per 110A car. yup, the 110B was a $27 million dollar train! a far cry from the "Million Dollar train" that the R11 was known as in the 40s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOB2RTO Posted January 12, 2011 Share #90 Posted January 12, 2011 Last year, the R110A were here at Concourse Yard Now they are here at 239YD on 50 and 51 tracks block end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted January 12, 2011 Share #91 Posted January 12, 2011 Is it possible to codebreak that train or no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted January 12, 2011 Share #92 Posted January 12, 2011 Is it possible to codebreak that train or no? Codebreak? Ok, ive been gone for awhile. whats that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted January 12, 2011 Share #93 Posted January 12, 2011 Codebreak? Ok, ive been gone for awhile. whats that? You get a bus/train type that runs on a specific line and input route codes in which the train/bus type normally doesn't use (i.e. an R160 signed as ; a New Flyer C40LF Signed as S79). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOB2RTO Posted January 12, 2011 Share #94 Posted January 12, 2011 Is it possible to codebreak that train or no? That train can't even move under its own power. It has no contact shoes/current collectors, and is filthy on the inside. If it had power, I would go inside and check it out, but again, no juice on that train.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted January 12, 2011 Share #95 Posted January 12, 2011 That train can't even move under its own power. It has no contact shoes/current collectors, and is filthy on the inside. If it had power, I would go inside and check it out, but again, no juice on that train.......... Crikey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 12, 2011 Share #96 Posted January 12, 2011 It would be interesting if we could acquire one of those uptown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted January 12, 2011 Share #97 Posted January 12, 2011 WOW! I still remember that sheet! I got one back in 1991! I think i still do somewhere stashed! I was lucky enough to ride both sets as early as 1992 when i was in high school! The automated announcements on the 110B were slow. Each 3car set had a different interior design as far as colors and mosaics. The middle set (3004-3006) had LCD signs similar to the Kawasaki 142s. IT was less prone to breakdowns compared to the 110A. Now the 110A were 2 5-cars sets arranged A-B-D-B-A with the D car being a trailer with traction motors. Trust me, i havce the spec and design sheets from the MTA themselves from when i was an intern in 96-97. In the last few years of service for the R110b, 3 cars were sacrificed for parts for the other 6 and ended its revenue life on the C. Since it was never programmed for the C, the automated announcements were turned off and the destination signs displayed "C-Listen for announcements" I also should still have the booklet that was distributed during the public display at 34th ST's BMT platform prior to entering service. ANd i can tell you, the R110B saw way more revenue service than the R110As. And as far as the contract numbers, The 110A and 110B are what they are known as with money for contracts 130 and 131 to pay for them. The Price per car? $3m per R110B car and around $2.2M per 110A car. yup, the 110B was a $27 million dollar train! a far cry from the "Million Dollar train" that the R11 was known as in the 40s. I have that R110 program brochure also, it's just that its seven pages, and I didn't want to go through all the Tinypic to put the whole thing up. That's a good, fairly accurate, fairly thorough write up of those cars' histories you've got there. One minor correction though, a mosaic is made up of small pieces of tile or glass. I think what you meant at the beginning was that each R110B set had its own colors and "motif" (not mosaic) so to speak in that each set was designed to be a little bit different in appearance. IIRC some of the cars had olive green seats, others had white seats with blue trim. The one time I caught one of these NTT test trains, I boarded a car with the white seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted January 12, 2011 Share #98 Posted January 12, 2011 You get a bus/train type that runs on a specific line and input route codes in which the train/bus type normally doesn't use (i.e. an R160 signed as ; a New Flyer C40LF Signed as S79). ooooh! well, as far as the destination signs, The R110A was programed with the 2 and 5 lines. It even ran revenue on the 5 a few times. ANd as i stated above, the R110B ran on the C but with "C-Listen For Announcements" as the destination. So, i dont believe so since these were one of a kind trains not ment to run throughout the system. The interior Strip map signs on the 110B were the used on the 143s and the 110A had strip maps but they werent "light up" like the 142s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted January 12, 2011 Share #99 Posted January 12, 2011 Is it possible to codebreak that train or no? Nope, both the R110A and R110B sit as dead as doors nails. I remember seeing a rollsign for the R110B floating around somewhere, it has some interesting things on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted January 12, 2011 Share #100 Posted January 12, 2011 I have that R110 program brochure also, it's just that its seven pages, and I didn't want to go through all the Tinypic to put the whole thing up. That's a good, fairly accurate, fairly thorough write up of those cars' histories you've got there. One minor correction though, a mosaic is made up of small pieces of tile or glass. I think what you meant at the beginning was that each R110B set had its own colors and "motif" (not mosaic) so to speak in that each set was designed to be a little bit different in appearance. IIRC some of the cars had olive green seats, others had white seats with blue trim. The one time I caught one of these NTT test trains, I boarded a car with the white seats. LOL what i ment was a mosaic-like design along the upper part of the interior, just below the passenger alarm strips. If i remember correctly, Cars 3001-3006 had a cream/beige interior with olive green seats, 3001-3003 had softer lighting, and cars 3007-3009 had the white interior with blue seats and alternate LCD displays, like the R142s. Now the automated announcements took too long to the point conductors would close the doors before they were finished. "This is a............Manhattan-bound..........A......Train. The next stop is...........Broadway East New york...........Stand clear of the closing doors please." There was no "door warning button like on the NTTs now. The 110As had better announcements like the NTTs now. Both sets had a female voice. And 7 pages???? i only had one with the 2 that was posted above, one on each side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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