ttcsubwayfan Posted January 23, 2019 Share #7126 Posted January 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said: ow, my question is, what is the MTA planning to do with the r62s in the A division?? Those will be replaced by the R262 order. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted January 23, 2019 Share #7127 Posted January 23, 2019 I was reading about the S stock trains in London (after Byford name dropped them at yesterday's meeting) and I noticed that they're part of the Movia family of trains. I guess this would be something only certain employees or higher ups would know the answer to but is the R179 also part of the Movia family or not? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted January 23, 2019 Share #7128 Posted January 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Around the Horn said: I was reading about the S stock trains in London (after Byford name dropped them at yesterday's meeting) and I noticed that they're part of the Movia family of trains. I guess this would be something only certain employees or higher ups would know the answer to but is the R179 also part of the Movia family or not? Yes and no. The R179 uses the same technologies, but is customized for NYCT to the extent where it does not completely fall under the umbrella of the "Movia" family of vehicles. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted January 23, 2019 Share #7129 Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, ttcsubwayfan said: Those will be replaced by the R262 order. Cool! I'm glad that the MTA is already planning the retirement of the r62s. I hope they pick Kawasaki again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLine Posted January 24, 2019 Share #7130 Posted January 24, 2019 12 hours ago, Coney Island Av said: (did the math): 3050-3237 (four-car sets, 188 cars, 23.5 trains) 3010-3049, 3238-3317 (five-car sets, 130 cars, 13 trains) 3317-3010+1 = 308 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted January 24, 2019 Share #7131 Posted January 24, 2019 13 hours ago, RedLine said: 3317-3010+1 = 308 So the correct number should be 3327 if I’m not mistaken. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted January 24, 2019 Share #7132 Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said: So the correct number should be 3327 if I’m not mistaken. Exactly 3010-3049 and 3317-3327 will make 14 10 car r179 trains, which will make about 82% of the whole C fleet or about 37% of the whole A fleet. Based on this math and the cancellation of the Canarsie shutdown, Pitkin/207 will only need 40 r32 car (4 10 car trains) to make the C 100% full length. The B and G are still strong candidates for the r32's as well. Edited January 24, 2019 by subwaycommuter1983 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted January 25, 2019 Share #7133 Posted January 25, 2019 4 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said: The B and G are still strong candidates for the r32's as well. Again, why would the line need R32’s ? The R68’s from the will be MORE than enough coverage for train service. As far as R32’s on the I personally don’t see it happening but it’s possible for Coney Island to house R32’s again... Supervision would probably run 480ft and 600ft trains on the same line as they do with the That wouldn’t surprise me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B46 via Utica Posted January 25, 2019 Share #7134 Posted January 25, 2019 16 minutes ago, VIP said: Again, why would the line need R32’s ? The R68’s from the will be MORE than enough coverage for train service. As far as R32’s on the I personally don’t see it happening but it’s possible for Coney Island to house R32’s again... Supervision would probably run 480ft and 600ft trains on the same line as they do with the That wouldn’t surprise me. The would need R32s for additional service since they are converting to 8 cars. So the most likely would get the 32s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted January 25, 2019 Share #7135 Posted January 25, 2019 16 minutes ago, B46 via Utica said: The would need R32s for additional service since they are converting to 8 cars. So the most likely would get the 32s. There’s enough 8 car R160A’s for train service. The R179 8 car order made a surplus of 104 cars. That’s 13 sets. That’s enough for service. No need for R32’s 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted January 25, 2019 Share #7136 Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, VIP said: There’s enough 8 car R160A’s for train service. The R179 8 car order made a surplus of 104 cars. That’s 13 sets. That’s enough for service. No need for R32’s There wouldn't be enough R160's, I said this in the R32 thread. The uses 21 trains, 168 cars. The would require at least 184-200 cars. The uses 64 R160A-1'S that are cbtc equipped. That's 248-264 cars right there out of 340. The would only have 72-92 cars. NOT ENOUGH cars. The uses 13 train sets. 92 cars Is 11.5 train sets and 72 cars Is 9 train sets. You would need 4 trainsets of R32's to supplement the plus spares. 4 train sets of 8 is 32 cars. You'll need about 64 cars to have a decent spare factor. The has to be 100% R160 for QBL cbtc There would be 23.5 8 car R179 8 car train sets if I'm correct for the (J). So they'll still need some R143 or R160 spares due to the R179's constant issues. The 10 car R179's would only bump the 50 R42's that would soon run on the (A). 207th would have to keep it's remaining 158 R32's for and service. By putting the R32's on the it then would bump the 52 cars of R68's to the B,N/W to in turn bump 65 R160's back to Jamaica. Then Jamaica would bump out 52 R46 cars to add on to make full length trains. The R32's are not going to the that has been confirmed. Unless they'll pull one off the if they need a train. 207th will still need the R32's since the will go full length. Out of 158 cars, they'll use only 100. 10 sets which in turn is normal for the R32's. You guys aren't looking at spare factor. Edited January 25, 2019 by R32 3838 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted January 25, 2019 Share #7137 Posted January 25, 2019 On 1/23/2019 at 10:30 AM, m2fwannabe said: I think the next passage was mistakenly added to the other forum last night: The ratio of 4's to 5's changes as Bombardier adds "free" cars to the order in lieu of performance penalty payments to MTA. The 5-car R-179's won't be delivered until the 4-car sets are all on the premises. That won't happen until sometime in March as things have stood for some time. At the 318 car threshold, there are only seven more quads left to deliver. Much of this depends on good progress in restoring the accepted R-179s to an acceptable level of reliability. I though there were 8 quads: 3070-3073, 3210-3213, 3214-3217, 3218-3221, 3222-3225, 3226-3229, 3330-3333, 3334-3237 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted January 25, 2019 Share #7138 Posted January 25, 2019 15 minutes ago, Union Tpke said: I though there were 8 quads: 3070-3073, 3210-3213, 3214-3217, 3218-3221, 3222-3225, 3226-3229, 3330-3333, 3334-3237 Huh? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Railfanning Posted January 25, 2019 Share #7139 Posted January 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, VIP said: Huh? I think he’s referring to the sets that still need to be delivered. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted January 25, 2019 Share #7140 Posted January 25, 2019 He put 3330-3334. There’s an error in that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegoBrickBreaker101 Posted January 25, 2019 Share #7141 Posted January 25, 2019 32 minutes ago, VIP said: He put 3330-3334. There’s an error in that. Pretty sure he meant 3230-3234 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted January 25, 2019 Share #7142 Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, R32 3838 said: There wouldn't be enough R160's, I said this in the R32 thread. The uses 21 trains, 168 cars. The would require at least 184-200 cars. The uses 64 R160A-1'S that are cbtc equipped. That's 248-264 cars right there out of 340. The would only have 72-92 cars. NOT ENOUGH cars. The uses 13 train sets. 92 cars Is 11.5 train sets and 72 cars Is 9 train sets. You would need 4 trainsets of R32's to supplement the plus spares. 4 train sets of 8 is 32 cars. You'll need about 64 cars to have a decent spare factor. The has to be 100% R160 for QBL cbtc There would be 23.5 8 car R179 8 car train sets if I'm correct for the (J). So they'll still need some R143 or R160 spares due to the R179's constant issues. The 10 car R179's would only bump the 50 R42's that would soon run on the (A). 207th would have to keep it's remaining 158 R32's for and service. By putting the R32's on the it then would bump the 52 cars of R68's to the B,N/W to in turn bump 65 R160's back to Jamaica. Then Jamaica would bump out 52 R46 cars to add on to make full length trains. The R32's are not going to the that has been confirmed. Unless they'll pull one off the if they need a train. 207th will still need the R32's since the will go full length. Out of 158 cars, they'll use only 100. 10 sets which in turn is normal for the R32's. You guys aren't looking at spare factor. The A has about 38-39 trains. The C has about 17-18 trains. Right now the A is about 98% r46's. If the A gets all 14 10 car r179's, that will displace 14 r46 trains to the C, making the C about 82% full length. The A will only need about 5 10 car r32's to displace 5 more r46 trains to make the C 100% full length with 19 trains. Also, there is a possibility that the A, C might not get additional trains until the r211's due to the cancellation of the Canarsie shutdown and the budget of course. As for the G getting r32's. I agree with you 100%.The G might not get enough r160's to cover the whole G fleet. Let's see what happens though. The number of 10 car r179's might still increase, while the number of 8 car r179's might decrease. Something is definitely going between Bombardier and the MTA in regards to the r179's, so more changes are still possible, but the more 10 car r179's are built, the less r32's will be needed for the A. Edited January 25, 2019 by subwaycommuter1983 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLine Posted January 25, 2019 Share #7143 Posted January 25, 2019 9 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said: Exactly 3010-3049 and 3317-3327 will make 14 10 car r179 trains Not exactly, 3010-3049 and 3317-3327 will make 51 cars. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted January 25, 2019 Share #7144 Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said: The A has about 38-39 trains. The C has about 17-18 trains. Right now the A is about 98% r46's. If the A gets all 14 10 car r179's, that will displace 14 r46 trains to the C, making the C about 82% full length. The A will only need about 5 10 car r32's to displace 5 more r46 trains to make the C 100% full length with 19 trains. Also, there is a possibility that the A, C might not get additional trains until the r211's due to the cancellation of the Canarsie shutdown and the budget of course. As for the G getting r32's. I agree with you 100%.The G might not get enough r160's to cover the whole G fleet. Let's see what happens though. The number of 10 car r179's might still increase, while the number of 8 car r179's might decrease. Something is definitely going between Bombardier and the MTA in regards to the r179's, so more changes are still possible, but the more 10 car r179's are built, the less r32's will be needed for the A. The has a train added, the R68A. It's obvious the is short on equipment. The R46's are up there in age as well as the R32's. 14 R179 sets aren't going to help since they'll be shared on both the A/C. The only thing I see the R179's bumping out are the R42's or R46's if the R42's aren't assigned to the A. It's smart to keep the majority of r32's at 207th. That's where the cars retire at and go to scrap straight from 207th like the r44's. The R32's are ending their run on 8th ave like the R40 slants and R38's. The R32's require a high spare factor, if 207th has 100 cars only 60 out of that 100 is used. So ether way 207th will still need the R32's. With the going full length, you need extra cars. Edited January 25, 2019 by R32 3838 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted January 25, 2019 Share #7145 Posted January 25, 2019 On 1/19/2019 at 7:15 PM, Union Tpke said: That picture on the top right.....is mine. I'm impressed that they actually found it and used it. Well, I know who to contact later 😂 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metro CSW Posted January 25, 2019 Share #7146 Posted January 25, 2019 3010-3049 (40 cars) 3238-3327 (90 cars) 130 cars total Numbers fixed..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted January 25, 2019 Share #7147 Posted January 25, 2019 Expect a slowdown in new arrivals as Transit has halted delivery of any new cars until the existing problems with the rest of the car class can be resolved. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nyc-transit-stop-taking-train-cars-bombardier-until-144525931--finance.html 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted January 25, 2019 Share #7148 Posted January 25, 2019 53 minutes ago, Lance said: Expect a slowdown in new arrivals as Transit has halted delivery of any new cars until the existing problems with the rest of the car class can be resolved. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nyc-transit-stop-taking-train-cars-bombardier-until-144525931--finance.html Where have I seen this before? Oh yeah, when they took them out of service the first time... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted January 25, 2019 Share #7149 Posted January 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Lance said: Expect a slowdown in new arrivals as Transit has halted delivery of any new cars until the existing problems with the rest of the car class can be resolved. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nyc-transit-stop-taking-train-cars-bombardier-until-144525931--finance.html Oof. This is why many fans don't like these cars. Including me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted January 25, 2019 Share #7150 Posted January 25, 2019 29 minutes ago, MysteriousBtrain said: Oof. This is why many fans don't like these cars. Including me. Haha those same fans were probably giddy over riding the R16 on the recent fan trips they ran on😃 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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