Coney Island Av Posted December 11, 2017 Share #4551 Posted December 11, 2017 37 minutes ago, R68OnBroadway said: 1 and stagnating "Honey, where's my R179s?" said a straphanger, waiting for an in-service train to arrive. 26 minutes ago, Around the Horn said: In news i had to pinch myself to make sure was really happening, 3066-3069 have been spotted on the New Jersey side of the GWB for delivery. Another set, another to mess up horribly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted December 12, 2017 Share #4552 Posted December 12, 2017 LMAO it's the R142 contract all over again 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted December 12, 2017 Share #4553 Posted December 12, 2017 Wait till mr byford arrives he will be really angry aince he dealt with delivery of the new streetcars and probably already scolded bombardier 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3F Posted December 12, 2017 Share #4554 Posted December 12, 2017 16 hours ago, Around the Horn said: In news I had to pinch myself to make sure was really happening, 3066-3069 have been spotted on the New Jersey side of the GWB for delivery. Maybe I'm missing something, but why is this surprising? Yeah, cars will be delivered until they are all on MTA property. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrome Posted December 12, 2017 Share #4555 Posted December 12, 2017 Speaking for myself, I thought deliveries wouldn't resume until the current 30-day test was passed. I guess that's not how it works. I'm surprised but glad. We need these in service ASAP. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted December 12, 2017 Share #4556 Posted December 12, 2017 5 hours ago, rbrome said: Speaking for myself, I thought deliveries wouldn't resume until the current 30-day test was passed. I guess that's not how it works. I'm surprised but glad. We need these in service ASAP. Well, the '179 here on the is doing quite fine 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel The Cool Posted December 12, 2017 Share #4557 Posted December 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, LGA Link N train said: Well, the '179 here on the is doing quite fine Fine? The clock has been reset atleast 4 times already which is crazy. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted December 12, 2017 Share #4558 Posted December 12, 2017 6 hours ago, rbrome said: Speaking for myself, I thought deliveries wouldn't resume until the current 30-day test was passed. I guess that's not how it works. I'm surprised but glad. We need these in service ASAP. I have two theories here. One, someone at Transit may have felt comfortable with the progress of the testing, or the second, which is that the delivery was confirmed before the 179 test train began operating in service and Transit just decided to accept the cars anyhow. I think the second theory is more likely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrome Posted December 12, 2017 Share #4559 Posted December 12, 2017 Can non-test trainsets be delivered without being "accepted"? Perhaps Bombardier is physically delivering more trains, but the MTA is simply not taking ownership yet. They're still owned by Bombardier, and Bombardier will have to send techs to make any changes (revealed to be necessary by the ongoing testing) onsite before the MTA "accepts" them. Can it work that way? Is that what's happening? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R68OnBroadway Posted December 12, 2017 Share #4560 Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) I'm pretty sure that the reason why the MTA is getting production cars (if you can call them that) in now is that once the 179s pass their acceptance tests, they can get them in service ASAP to increase service and start retiring the R42s and worst-performing R32s considering how delayed delivery has been. Edited December 12, 2017 by R68OnBroadway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTA Bus Posted December 12, 2017 Share #4561 Posted December 12, 2017 From what I heard, Bombarider has 70 cars upstate and the factory is starting to get full, so they're lowkey delivering the cars to us. 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted December 12, 2017 Share #4562 Posted December 12, 2017 On 12/10/2017 at 7:21 PM, trainfan22 said: Train is getting more bad publicity in the media, they even used the L word. People are fickle once they work out the kinks and get em into full service they'll forget all about the extra year. At this point, they just need to take there time and to get it right. There just filling the News cycle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted December 12, 2017 Share #4563 Posted December 12, 2017 44 minutes ago, MTA Bus said: From what I heard, Bombarider has 70 cars upstate and the factory is starting to get full, so they're lowkey delivering the cars to us. Perfect typo LMAO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from Maspeth Posted December 13, 2017 Share #4564 Posted December 13, 2017 Because more cars came in last night, it's obvious the 30 day test means absolutely nothing because transit spokesmen have told us that production cars were to begin to come in after the 30 day test was successfully completed. I just hope we wind up with a reliable car and all the bugs are worked out. But the regenerative braking feature, touted having power returned to the third rail during braking, was paid for as part of the manufacturing process, will be permanently disabled. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted December 13, 2017 Share #4565 Posted December 13, 2017 19 minutes ago, Bill from Maspeth said: Because more cars came in last night, it's obvious the 30 day test means absolutely nothing because transit spokesmen have told us that production cars were to begin to come in after the 30 day test was successfully completed. I just hope we wind up with a reliable car and all the bugs are worked out. But the regenerative braking feature, touted having power returned to the third rail during braking, was paid for as part of the manufacturing process, will be permanently disabled. 2 Wha? Why.. So you mean to tell me 5 classes of older cars are more power efficient? I understand the return to the rail is not 100% and rheostatic is there as well...but permanently disabled? Are they offering a price adjustment? to the MTA? That's not what they paid for. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrome Posted December 13, 2017 Share #4566 Posted December 13, 2017 2 hours ago, Bill from Maspeth said: But the regenerative braking feature, touted having power returned to the third rail during braking, was paid for as part of the manufacturing process, will be permanently disabled. Why? Does it not work as advertised? When will someone at the MTA grow a backbone and enforce a contract? (Or perhaps the issue is writing a good contract in the first place?) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted December 13, 2017 Share #4567 Posted December 13, 2017 (edited) AFAIK the regen on the R179s currently do not feed power back into the third rail "correctly" (something about incorrect power bands or whatnot), and have "blown up" several transformers during testing lol. You have to remember that the R142 regen was disabled for a period of time when they first came in as well. I am sure that with ample time, the regen issue on the R179s will be fixed. Edited December 13, 2017 by Fan Railer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted December 13, 2017 Share #4568 Posted December 13, 2017 4 hours ago, R68OnBroadway said: I'm pretty sure that the reason why the MTA is getting production cars (if you can call them that) in now is that once the 179s pass their acceptance tests, they can get them in service ASAP to increase service and start retiring the R42s and worst-performing R32s considering how delayed delivery has been. Might be awhile for retirements, is to go full length so they are gonna need extra cars. Those R42's might be on the and before retirement. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted December 13, 2017 Share #4569 Posted December 13, 2017 41 minutes ago, Fan Railer said: AFAIK the regen on the R179s currently do not feed power back into the third rail "correctly" (something about incorrect power bands or whatnot), and have "blown up" several transformers during testing lol. You have to remember that the R142 regen was disabled for a period of time when they first came in as well. I am sure that with ample time, the regen issue on the R179s will be fixed. Fan Railer you've been around these forums for a long long time so you know the routine. I also remember the R142's issues when they first hit the road because I operated them so I'm neither surprised nor disappointed. Maybe because it's almost Christmas and the youngsters are getting antsy ? I've pretty much given up trying to correct some of the posters and left it up to folks like Lance, Daniel, you and the active RTO folk. When I see posters calling equipment " hippo" and " baby hippo"or folks getting worked up over countdown clocks I steer clear of those convos. Track , signals, regenerative braking, the nuts and bolts if you will,are what matters most to me. Keep up the informative posts. Carry on. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted December 13, 2017 Share #4570 Posted December 13, 2017 24 minutes ago, R32 3838 said: Might be awhile for retirements, is to go full length so they are gonna need extra cars. Those R42's might be on the and before retirement. From what I hear that's a possibility. Not certain yet though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielhg121 Posted December 14, 2017 Share #4571 Posted December 14, 2017 44 minutes ago, ioas said: I like the R179s because the train numbers start with Wow. That has to be some of the dumbest things I've heard in awhile but hey, that's your opinion. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted December 14, 2017 Share #4572 Posted December 14, 2017 22 hours ago, Fan Railer said: AFAIK the regen on the R179s currently do not feed power back into the third rail "correctly" (something about incorrect power bands or whatnot), and have "blown up" several transformers during testing lol. You have to remember that the R142 regen was disabled for a period of time when they first came in as well. I am sure that with ample time, the regen issue on the R179s will be fixed. Gotcha... can/going to be fixed and permanently disabled are two vastly different things. Especially when agencies are priding themselves in sustainability and savings. For a almost 300 car order that would've been sorta crazy. I don't know how many penalties are left to even give Bombardier at this point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTK246 Posted December 14, 2017 Share #4573 Posted December 14, 2017 1 hour ago, danielhg121 said: Wow. That has to be some of the dumbest things I've heard in awhile but hey, that's your opinion. Lmfao be nice! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from Maspeth Posted December 14, 2017 Share #4574 Posted December 14, 2017 2 hours ago, RailRunRob said: Gotcha... can/going to be fixed and permanently disabled are two vastly different things. Especially when agencies are priding themselves in sustainability and savings. For a almost 300 car order that would've been sorta crazy. I don't know how many penalties are left to even give Bombardier at this point. Just conveniently forgotten about perhaps? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted December 14, 2017 Share #4575 Posted December 14, 2017 From Tech and Transit (and DJ Hammers: 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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