R179 Discussion Thread

[R32 3838]

So how many R179's ENY is getting? 

It seems an R160 goes back to ENY plus an R179 goes in service then 16 R32's get sent to 207th st for service and the looses 1-2 R46's to the (C).

I would say in about 3 months max if the R179's come in fast. ENY will be 100% NTT with the exception of fresh pond yard.

 

 

[R42Ctrain4069]

Where would the R42s go then? Surely they just can't scrap them. 

[Jemorie]

3 hours ago, Dj Hammers said:

The (C)’s R160s will be going back to ENY, as the is slated to be all full length trains of R46s.

 

So this means the R32s are likely going to the  after all then. 

[R32 3838]

1 hour ago, R42Ctrain4069 said:

Where would the R42s go then? Surely they just can't scrap them. 

Probably the A 

[FlushingExpress]

3 hours ago, R42Ctrain4069 said:

Where would the R42s go then? Surely they just can't scrap them. 

They will be scrapped. They will not be needed anywhere once the Myrtle viaduct project is done. ENY will have enough R160s, R179s, and R143s and 207th street and Pitkin will have enough  R32s and R46s. Plus there are only 50 rusted tin cans in service, so retiring them will not take too long and it would be illogical to keep them if the TA wants to retire at least 50 R32s.

[R68OnBroadway]

1 hour ago, FlushingExpress said:

They will be scrapped. They will not be needed anywhere once the Myrtle viaduct project is done. ENY will have enough R160s, R179s, and R143s and 207th street and Pitkin will have enough  R32s and R46s. Plus there are only 50 rusted tin cans in service, so retiring them will not take too long and it would be illogical to keep them if the TA wants to retire at least 50 R32s.

If I'm correct, the R42s will be retained through the shutdown.

[S78 via Hylan]

10 minutes ago, R68OnBroadway said:

If I'm correct, the R42s will be retained through the shutdown.

If this is the case, I hope they get a decent overhaul. They don’t look as if they can last a few more years.

[R68OnBroadway]

1 minute ago, S78 via Hylan said:

If this is the case, I hope they get a decent overhaul. They don’t look as if they can last a few more years.

They SMS'ed a few pairs which is why I am skeptical they are going by this summer- when a car is retiring in less than a year they usually just throw on some duct tape

[Art Vandelay]

8 minutes ago, S78 via Hylan said:

If this is the case, I hope they get a decent overhaul. They don’t look as if they can last a few more years.

Check them out again. 

I have not seen them look anywhere close to this good since the few years after GOH. 

[Coney Island Av]

Another reason why the 's R160s are going to ENY is because the  is slated to be fully NTT during the shutdown. 

But isn't the  supposed to be a mix of R46s and R179s during the shutdown? Would the  get R179s as well?

[subwaycommuter1983]

8 hours ago, Dj Hammers said:

The (C)’s R160s will be going back to ENY, as the is slated to be all full length trains of R46s.

 

So how will the MTA expect better service on the A and C trains by removing all the NTT's off the C train?

The r46s are as unreliable as the r32s. 

It's  really unfair that the A and C has to always has to stick with the most unreliable car fleet, while the J and Z will apparently have a surplus of NTTs.

Edited December 27, 2017 by subwaycommuter1983

[j express]

2 hours ago, FlushingExpress said:

They will be scrapped. They will not be needed anywhere once the Myrtle viaduct project is done. ENY will have enough R160s, R179s, and R143s and 207th street and Pitkin will have enough  R32s and R46s. Plus there are only 50 rusted tin cans in service, so retiring them will not take too long and it would be illogical to keep them if the TA wants to retire at least 50 R32s.

We need all the SMEEs for the Canarise shutdown especially when the  will need more trains and longer length. You are completely forgetting the .  

[Jemorie]

1 hour ago, D to 96 St said:

Another reason why the 's R160s are going to ENY is because the  is slated to be fully NTT during the shutdown. 

But isn't the  supposed to be a mix of R46s and R179s during the shutdown? Would the  get R179s as well?

How is the  going to be mixed of both 46s and 179s when there are only 8 five-car sets of 179s? Also, I don’t think the  needs new cars because it is a part-time line with low ridership and is internally part of the  . They will get new cars with the R211 fleet though.

[Jemorie]

1 hour ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

So how will the MTA expect better service on the A and C trains by removing all the NTT's off the C train?

The r46s are as unreliable as the r32s. 

It's  really unfair that the A and C has to always has to stick with the most unreliable car fleet, while the J and Z will apparently have a surplus of NTTs.

Better service does not mean car equipment. Better service means increased headways to handle yearly growing ridership.

[Dj Hammers]

1 hour ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

So how will the MTA expect better service on the A and C trains by removing all the NTT's off the C train?

The r46s are as unreliable as the r32s. 

It's  really unfair that the A and C has to always has to stick with the most unreliable car fleet, while the J and Z will apparently have a surplus of NTTs.

Car equipment failures account for a very small portion of total delays. The marginal delay impact of having older rolling stock on the line is minimal when compared to signals, track, and insufficient capacity (timers, RTO inefficiencies, etc) delays.

 

The R32s on the may end up displaced elsewhere once the 10-car R179 sets start arriving by the way.

Edited December 27, 2017 by Dj Hammers

[Jemorie]

7 minutes ago, Dj Hammers said:

Car equipment failures account for a very small portion of total delays. The marginal delay impact of having older rolling stock on the line is minimal when compared to signals, track, and insufficient capacity (timers, RTO inefficiencies, etc) delays.

 

The R32s on the may end up displaced elsewhere once the 10-car R179 sets start arriving by the way.

Likely only four sets of R32s will be removed from the line since there are only four 10-car trains within the R179 fleet. Unless you mean more R46s will be transferred from Jamaica to Pitkin to remove all R32s from the

Edited December 27, 2017 by Jemorie

[R32 3838]

I still think SOME R32's would be on the but Jamaica will loose some R46's to pitkin while a good portion of R32's would go to CIY and Jamaica would get their 92/9400's they lost back while the R32's would be deployed to the (G). Then if Jamaica and CI do the R46/160 swap then Jamaica looses their remaining R46's for an exchange for more R160's.

[R32 3838]

Plus its rumored that the R179 order has been modified so that we have more 5 car R179's. Bombardier has been late with the order so we might get free cars (B cars).

[Lance]

Until I see that in writing, I'm going to take that with a large grain of salt. Something of that magnitude would likely be in the minutes for the various MTA meetings.

[JayJay85]

37 minutes ago, R32 3838 said:

Plus its rumored that the R179 order has been modified so that we have more 5 car R179's. Bombardier has been late with the order so we might get free cars (B cars).

I heard the same thing too, That the order was modified to include more B cars and less A cars, its like the order was changed to 80 cars in 4car units and 220 cars in 5car sets.

1 hour ago, Dj Hammers said:

Car equipment failures account for a very small portion of total delays. The marginal delay impact of having older rolling stock on the line is minimal when compared to signals, track, and insufficient capacity (timers, RTO inefficiencies, etc) delays.

 

The R32s on the may end up displaced elsewhere once the 10-car R179 sets start arriving by the way.

This may be the case if it's true that R179 order was changed to mostly 5 car sets, if R179's (5cars) shows up on  and plus if the order is now mostly 5 car sets.

Edited December 27, 2017 by JayJay85

[Around the Horn]

1 hour ago, Lance said:

Until I see that in writing, I'm going to take that with a large grain of salt. Something of that magnitude would likely be in the minutes for the various MTA meetings.

That's exactly what I said lol

[Bill from Maspeth]

9 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

Plus its rumored that the R179 order has been modified so that we have more 5 car R179's. Bombardier has been late with the order so we might get free cars (B cars).

Maybe DJ Hammers can officially confirm or deny this?

[Fan Railer]

If there are talks like this going on, they're probably confidential. So anyone who even knows would not be allowed to confirm or deny due to NDA agreements. Just wait for the documentation to come out, if there will be any.

[Fan Railer]

On another note, it sounds like a recent software update has changed the pitch curve of the traction inverters. Listen for the second pitch change in this video:

 

[LegoBrickBreaker101]

7 minutes ago, Fan Railer said:

On another note, it sounds like a recent software update has changed the pitch curve of the traction inverters. Listen for the second pitch change in this video:

 

Oi that's my videooo