R179 Discussion Thread

[Bosco]

31 minutes ago, VIP said:

I’ve been saying this for weeks! Why do you think East New York hasn’t gotten ANY of their R160’s from the  ... those are going to the . 

There was speculation that the R179s would make that service on the , but it makes no sense since Coney Island as of now is not planned to get any R179s and ENY will have the bulk of them anyway.  Plus, Coney Island already has the R160s, so it makes sense for fleet uniformity.

4 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

Yes, but since the  is so unreliable during pm rush hour, many people who live by Grand Concourse rather jam pack the  to 149 then switch to the  instead of taking the  or they pack the  to Tremont or Fordham and walk several blocks  to take the (with unlimited Metrocard) instead of taking the .

service isn't great right now (what line is?), but unfortunately, nothing can be really done about improving  service (except perhaps not suspending it anytime it snows an inch) for now.  The  and  see more ridership and are a lot less reliable.  Also, if you're coming from the Bronx, Lexington is the fastest, most direct way to Brooklyn (hence the traffic on the  and ).  In terms of fleet, if the MTA is smart, they will consider another option of R211s to retire the R68s sooner and also accelerate fleet uniformity and potentially PSDs.  If there are R68s that are still in good shape, they can be kept either as a reserve fleet or as work trains for the mainline B division.

[subwaycommuter1983]

1 hour ago, Bosco said:

In terms of fleet, if the MTA is smart, they will consider another option of R211s to retire the R68s sooner and also accelerate fleet uniformity and potentially PSDs.  If there are R68s that are still in good shape, they can be kept either as a reserve fleet or as work trains for the mainline B division.

I hope they do, but even if they do purchase more r211s to replace the r68's, what's going to happen with the r62s in the A division??? They have the same age as the r68's and they're often break down and they always have issues with the air conditioning, which can become a safety hazard especially during the summer. Even the r32's have better air conditioning. 

The r68's and r62s need to be retired within the next 10 years.

[Fan Railer]

20 hours ago, CTK246 said:

I never wait longer than 6 minutes for an  train

lmao you must not ride outside of the peak hours.

[subwaycommuter1983]

On 4/9/2018 at 6:08 PM, LGA Link N train said:

So it should be like this?

R32, R179, (maybe R160's)

 All 5 car R160's

R160, R179, (R143's for backup)

 All R143

All R160 

R68A, R32, R42

R46, R68

R32, R42, (maybe 4 car R160's) 

Quote

: r32's, r179's, r160's

:  r160's (10 car)

: r32's, r160's (8car)

/:r179's, r143's, r160's

/: r46's, r68's

r42's: can be preserved as backup, in the event of more r179 post delivery issues. 

r68's displaced from  : can be used as spares for ,(Yankees),  or , which all four lines use r68's.

Any fleet changes related to QBL CTBC can wait until Canarsie shutdown work is complete.

Both options are good.

Yes, this is pure speculation for now, but can become suggestions if anyone who works for the MTA reads any of these posts.

Edited April 13, 2018 by subwaycommuter1983

[Bosco]

19 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

I hope they do, but even if they do purchase more r211s to replace the r68's, what's going to happen with the r62s in the A division??? They have the same age as the r68's and they're often break down and they always have issues with the air conditioning, which can become a safety hazard especially during the summer. Even the r32's have better air conditioning. 

The r68's and r62s need to be retired within the next 10 years.

Cars don't have to be replaced in order.  If the next R68 SMS is forgone to accelerate retirement, that has nothing to do with the R62 situation.  I will say though that for CBTC purposes, they should do the same type of treatment for the R62s, and keep them as either spares or work trains.  The work trains we have know are starting to get old too.  And honestly, knowing how the MTA is about logical planning, I wouldn't be surprised if there's still a few R68s in service after 2030.

14 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

Both options are good.

Yes, this is pure speculation for now, but can become suggestions if anyone who works for the MTA reads any of these posts.

While there have been some good ideas in the past (and yes, some really BAD ones), I'm not holding my breath that the MTA planners would listen...

Edited April 13, 2018 by Bosco

[trainfan22]

20 hours ago, Fan Railer said:

lmao you must not ride outside of the peak hours.

I ride during the midday all the time and never have to wait longer than 5 minutes.. 

[KK 6 Ave Local]

We should probably see what the  has to say. What we're certain of is that the  are getting 179s,  gets r160s. The  is probably not gonna get R68s retired because they don't see what its doing to the  or have other priorities. Also, if the  gives its 68s to another line, it causes bunching on that line (granted it shares track). It would be best to run 68s on line that can deal with bunching because they share tracks alot, like maybe the  because it has a fleet gap and is the only Bway express. The  would get SMEEs.

 

[KK 6 Ave Local]

23 hours ago, Bosco said:

There was speculation that the R179s would make that service on the , but it makes no sense since Coney Island as of now is not planned to get any R179s and ENY will have the bulk of them anyway.  Plus, Coney Island already has the R160s, so it makes sense for fleet uniformity.

So what will the  get?

[R32 3838]

13 minutes ago, thicctrain said:

We should probably see what the  has to say. What we're certain of is that the  are getting 179s,  gets r160s. The  is probably not gonna get R68s retired because they don't see what its doing to the  or have other priorities. Also, if the  gives its 68s to another line, it causes bunching on that line (granted it shares track). It would be best to run 68s on line that can deal with bunching because they share tracks alot, like maybe the  because it has a fleet gap and is the only Bway express. The  would get SMEEs.

 

isn't planned to get R179's since Queens blvd going cbtc. 

[subwaycommuter1983]

32 minutes ago, thicctrain said:

So what will the  get?

r32s, r160s (8 car), but if the r179's continue to get delayed, the  may get some of the r42s in addition to the r32s. 

[subwaycommuter1983]

29 minutes ago, R32 3838 said:

isn't planned to get R179's since Queens blvd going cbtc. 

The  will only get the r160s from the  during shutdown.

[R32 3838]

30 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

r32s, r160s (8 car), but if the r179's continue to get delayed, the  may get some of the r42s in addition to the r32s. 

You can't run 8 car R42s on the (G). The R42s only have C/R controls in the no.2 end cabs. The boards won't line up like the R32s and R160's in a 4x4 confg. The R42s on the run in a 5x3 confg. Since they already have the boards and cctv's to line up with them.

 

Its smarter to have the R42s on the or lines

 

The will still need cars even after the shutdown.

 

The will not revert back to 4 cars after the shutdown. It'll stay 480 feet.

[R32 3838]

Btw all 3 R179's are in service on the

[subwaycommuter1983]

15 minutes ago, R32 3838 said:

You can't run 8 car R42s on the (G). The R42s only have C/R controls in the no.2 end cabs. The boards won't line up like the R32s and R160's in a 4x4 confg. The R42s on the run in a 5x3 confg. Since they already have the boards and cctv's to line up with them.

 

Its smarter to have the R42s on the or lines

 

The will still need cars even after the shutdown.

 

The will not revert back to 4 cars after the shutdown. It'll stay 480 feet.

Good to know.  If the r42s do run during the shutdown, as a result of delays in the delivery of r179's, the  would be the most logical option, although a few r42s may also run on the Rockaway Park Shuttle during the summer, when they operate full length trains.

In the meantime, let's see what happens with the delivery of r179's. Hopefully, all r179's will be delivered before construction begins. Fingers crossed!!

Edited April 13, 2018 by subwaycommuter1983

[AlgorithmOfTruth]

On 4/12/2018 at 4:23 PM, Bosco said:

There was speculation that the R179s would make that service on the , but it makes no sense since Coney Island as of now is not planned to get any R179s and ENY will have the bulk of them anyway.  Plus, Coney Island already has the R160s, so it makes sense for fleet uniformity.

service isn't great right now (what line is?), but unfortunately, nothing can be really done about improving  service (except perhaps not suspending it anytime it snows an inch) for now.  The  and  see more ridership and are a lot less reliable.  Also, if you're coming from the Bronx, Lexington is the fastest, most direct way to Brooklyn (hence the traffic on the  and ).  In terms of fleet, if the MTA is smart, they will consider another option of R211s to retire the R68s sooner and also accelerate fleet uniformity and potentially PSDs.  If there are R68s that are still in good shape, they can be kept either as a reserve fleet or as work trains for the mainline B division.

Let's just hope that anything concerning the R179s eventually turns out well before throwing the R211s in the picture. I wouldn't be quick to get scrap-happy and start disowning the R68s only to end up on the short end regarding available fleet equipment.

[subwaycommuter1983]

26 minutes ago, AlgorithmOfTruth said:

Let's just hope that anything concerning the R179s eventually turns out well before throwing the R211s in the picture. I wouldn't be quick to get scrap-happy and start disowning the R68s only to end up on the short end regarding available fleet equipment.

The MTA can't handle another r44/r179 fiasco and if they are smart, they should be working on replacement orders for the r68s and the r62s (A division), which are about the same age,  Although the r68s are currently in much better shape than the r62s, they still need to be retired 10 to 12 years from now. 

[Bosco]

4 hours ago, AlgorithmOfTruth said:

Let's just hope that anything concerning the R179s eventually turns out well before throwing the R211s in the picture. I wouldn't be quick to get scrap-happy and start disowning the R68s only to end up on the short end regarding available fleet equipment.

I am not suggesting the MTA make the same mistake they made with the R160s, which in part contributed to the R179 situation.  What I am suggesting is that replacements for the R62s and R68s come sooner, but that the trains that are still in good shape are kept as a reserve/spare fleet.  There were plenty of R32s that at the very least could've been saved for a rainy day.

5 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

isn't planned to get R179's since Queens blvd going cbtc. 

No, but the R179s have provisions for CBTC, so once the rest of the issues are ironed out, I'd expect CBTC installation/testing to commence shortly after.  I also wonder if the interface is any different given the advances in technology between the R160 and R179 awards.

4 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

Btw all 3 R179's are in service on the

Good news.  Are any of the other delivered sets doing burn-in testing or is it just the three sets that were in service before the e-brake handle issue?

Edited April 14, 2018 by Bosco

[Calvin]

Today, all 3 R179s are back in service. However, when it arrives at the station, the countdown clocks and subway time does not show the arrival of that train. 

[JayJay85]

8 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

Good to know.  If the r42s do run during the shutdown, as a result of delays in the delivery of r179's, the  would be the most logical option, although a few r42s may also run on the Rockaway Park Shuttle during the summer, when they operate full length trains.

In the meantime, let's see what happens with the delivery of r179's. Hopefully, all r179's will be delivered before construction begins. Fingers crossed!!

The R42's are going to  

[VIP]

8 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

You can't run 8 car R42s on the (G). The R42s only have C/R controls in the no.2 end cabs. The boards won't line up like the R32s and R160's in a 4x4 confg. The R42s on the run in a 5x3 confg. Since they already have the boards and cctv's to line up with them.

 

Its smarter to have the R42s on the or lines

 

The will still need cars even after the shutdown.

 

The will not revert back to 4 cars after the shutdown. It'll stay 480 feet.

That’s why 207th ain’t send back the A-1’s. They’re going on the ...

[bwwnyc123]

Because they are waiting for a new car class to enter service so they can't do anything yet and are forced to use whatever we have now, all the trains now are still running good so it's no problem.

[KK 6 Ave Local]

Alright, here's a new roster if I understand all the new things:

R179-  

R160-  

R143-  

R68-  

R42-

R32-  

Not sure though.

[KK 6 Ave Local]

Oh yeah, the  will still have a few R68s.

Also I forgot the R46s- they'll be on the .

[subwaycommuter1983]

11 hours ago, JayJay85 said:

The R42's are going to  

Running r42s on the  is a big mistake due to the fact that both lines are very long, have little outdoor space, and will have more ridership once the Canarsie tunnel shuts down . The r42s are very unreliable and prone to breakdown potentially causing more delays if they run on the . 

The  needs more reliable cars like the 10 car r179's. That's why I also suggest sending the r46s from the  to the  in exchange for the 10 car r160s. Some r32s can still run on the  during rush hour. 

The  would be the best fit for the r42s in the event that they do run during the Canarsie construction. Why?? The  is a part time line and has less ridership than the , and is also a shorter line with more outdoor space.

There is a possibility that the r42s won't run at all if all r179's are delivered before April 2019, but they would be preserved as a backup.

Edited April 14, 2018 by subwaycommuter1983

[subwaycommuter1983]

5 hours ago, thicctrain said:

Oh yeah, the  will still have a few R68s.

Also I forgot the R46s- they'll be on the .

Also the 10 car r179's will run on the , while the 42s may or may not run during the Canarsie tunnel construction, but if they run,  it should go to the .