R179 Discussion Thread

[VIP]

11 hours ago, trainfan22 said:

I think 3050 - 3057 went though the Canarsie Wash as it looked fairly clean and they was hooked up together after the being taken apart. One of the sets in 3050 - 3057 was hooked up to another 179 set running in service a couple days ago.

It wasn’t cleaned and it’s sitting at East New York yard OOS. 

[Bosco]

4 hours ago, VIP said:

It wasn’t cleaned and it’s sitting at East New York yard OOS. 

There are photos on Facebook though of one of the R179s going to the car wash.  Not sure about numbers though.

[EphraimB]

According to an  employee, the R179s are NOT coming to the . All the 5-car R179s are going to the  to replace it's remaining R46s. The R32s and R46s are shared between the  and  to help with crowding on the . The  is NOT going to 10-cars.

[djtoro7]

1 hour ago, Bosco said:

There are photos on Facebook though of one of the R179s going to the car wash.  Not sure about numbers though.

That was 3058-3061+3094-3097

[MysteriousBtrain]

52 minutes ago, EphraimB said:

According to an  employee, the R179s are NOT coming to the . All the 5-car R179s are going to the  to replace it's remaining R46s. The R32s and R46s are shared between the  and  to help with crowding on the . The  is NOT going to 10-cars.

[EphraimB]

13 minutes ago, MysteriousBtrain said:

That's what the employee on the first car of the Far Rockaway  train told me.

[R179 8258]

1 hour ago, djtoro7 said:

That was 3058-3061+3094-3097

Not going to lie ,  I saw that set on Carnaise line I couldn’t tell the number but I saw 3097 on one of the car but he’s correct that set was washed 

[AlgorithmOfTruth]

2 hours ago, EphraimB said:

According to an  employee, the R179s are NOT coming to the . All the 5-car R179s are going to the  to replace it's remaining R46s. The R32s and R46s are shared between the  and  to help with crowding on the . The  is NOT going to 10-cars.

Just because an individual is employed by transit doesn't necessarily mean they're absolutely correct about any questions posed by the public. Be cautious of who you trust.

[j express]

2 hours ago, EphraimB said:

According to an  employee, the R179s are NOT coming to the . All the 5-car R179s are going to the  to replace it's remaining R46s. The R32s and R46s are shared between the  and  to help with crowding on the . The  is NOT going to 10-cars.

That is very good to hear. 

[Union Tpke]

2 hours ago, EphraimB said:

According to an  employee, the R179s are NOT coming to the . All the 5-car R179s are going to the  to replace it's remaining R46s. The R32s and R46s are shared between the  and  to help with crowding on the . The  is NOT going to 10-cars.

The R179s are not CBTC-equipped. 309 sets of R160s will be CBTC-equipped for Queens Boulevard.

[Around the Horn]

Hmmm...

 actually in a vacuum R179s to the  does make sense... Hopefully one pops on the  occasionally. 

[EphraimB]

34 minutes ago, AlgorithmOfTruth said:

Just because an individual is employed by transit doesn't necessarily mean they're absolutely correct about any questions posed by the public. Be cautious of who you trust.

What's the most reliable source?

[djtoro7]

11 minutes ago, EphraimB said:

What's the most reliable source?

DJ Hammers, Fan Railer and Tech & Transit are the most reliable sources as far as I know 

[EphraimB]

Just now, djtoro7 said:

DJ Hammers, Fan Railer and Tech & Transit are the most reliable sources as far as I know 

Why would they be more reliable than an  employee?

[P3F]

41 minutes ago, EphraimB said:

Why would they be more reliable than an  employee?

DJ Hammers is an employee.

[trainfan22]

4 hours ago, EphraimB said:

According to an  employee, the R179s are NOT coming to the . All the 5-car R179s are going to the  to replace it's remaining R46s. The R32s and R46s are shared between the  and  to help with crowding on the . The  is NOT going to 10-cars.

Gossip and rumors float around the MTA just like other job, I remember years ago a TA employee posted a rumor that the 179 would replace the 46s AND the 68s, of course that didn't happen.

[2 Train Master]

On 6/4/2018 at 5:06 PM, Coney Island Av said:

Transit Tech's too far for it to even be a viable school for me. It's all the way by Euclid Av on the , and I'm all the way in Harlem, three stops short of 168 St (the northern  terminal). If I went to school there, it would take me 50 minutes to get there. 

Byford probably chose Transit Tech because it was MTA-related. 

Too far? Oh please I went from Bedford Park to Euclid daily think was late once when i attended TT in 2009/10 not bad of a commute because its one transfer and my buddy was coming from Gun Hill area on the 5 line. 

 

1 hour ago, djtoro7 said:

DJ Hammers, Fan Railer and Tech & Transit are the most reliable sources as far as I know 

Just because they're reliable doesn't make them right all the time. As we know nothing is set in stone than death and taxes. And thats nothing against them but just because one may say something doesnt mean its 100% accurate or will happen. 

 

4 hours ago, EphraimB said:

According to an  employee, the R179s are NOT coming to the . All the 5-car R179s are going to the  to replace it's remaining R46s. The R32s and R46s are shared between the  and  to help with crowding on the . The  is NOT going to 10-cars.

And to this I always thought the order of 5 csr sets should goto Jamaica to make QBL near or 100% NTT for potential CBTC meaning the 46s would be bumped to Pitkin and or CI in exchange for 160s/179 but we will see. The logic is keeping yards uniformed with one car type or two instead of having oddballs here and there for maintenance purposes.

[R32 3838]

Why would jamaica get the R179's if theres only gonna be 120 10 car trainsets. It makes sense to put them on the (A). 

 

And the is becoming full length before the shutdown 

[2 Train Master]

Uniform purposes, completely forgot about the C full length thing

[EphraimB]

1 hour ago, R32 3838 said:

Why would jamaica get the R179's if theres only gonna be 120 10 car trainsets. It makes sense to put them on the (A). 

 

And the is becoming full length before the shutdown 

That MTA employee told me that the 5-car R179s will only be enough for 4-5 trains.

[j express]

11 minutes ago, EphraimB said:

That MTA employee told me that the 5-car R179s will only be enough for 4-5 trains.

There are 120 R179 cars that are going to be in 5 car sets. The spare factor for the newer subway cars is around 10-20 percent. Ideally, there would be 100 R179 cars in service during the rush at most which equals to 10 trains. I honestly think you are being told incorrect information by that MTA employee. 

[VIP]

Not a single 10-car R179 entered service, calm down. It’s been publicly announced that those cars will be assigned to 207th Street and East New York respectively. Every yard in NYCT will be UNIFORMED. That means 1 fleet or up to 2 fleet types per yard for cost efficient maintenance. That whole 3-4 different car classes in a yard will be a thing of the past... we should have known this when the R160’s damn near replaced 4 different fleets in one sitting. 

[RR503]

5 minutes ago, VIP said:

Not a single 10-car R179 entered service, calm down. It’s been publicly announced that those cars will be assigned to 207th Street and East New York respectively. Every yard in NYCT will be UNIFORMED. That means 1 fleet or up to 2 fleet types per yard for cost efficient maintenance. That whole 3-4 different car classes in a yard will be a thing of the past... we should have known this when the R160’s damn near replaced 4 different fleets in one sitting. 

Such uniformity will not — indeed cannot — be achieved until the 211s come along. Remember, we’re keeping some fraction of the 32 fleet along with all the stuff we have now. Beyond Canarsie, plans have Jamaica, Pitkin, Concourse, Canarsie and 207 being uniform, but CI and ENY not.  

As for the 179s, the  will indeed get the 5 car sets, while 46s go to the  for its full length conversion. Whatever you heard to the contrary, EphraimB, is almost certainly incorrect. That may have been the plan before the 179s got more 5 car sets, but it isn’t that now. 

[Bosco]

5 hours ago, Union Tpke said:

The R179s are not CBTC-equipped. 309 sets of R160s will be CBTC-equipped for Queens Boulevard.

Speaking of which, while it's a ways from now and the priority (obviously) is just to get the R179s in service, is there a timeline for when they will get CBTC?  Perhaps after the shutdown?

19 minutes ago, VIP said:

Not a single 10-car R179 entered service, calm down. It’s been publicly announced that those cars will be assigned to 207th Street and East New York respectively. Every yard in NYCT will be UNIFORMED. That means 1 fleet or up to 2 fleet types per yard for cost efficient maintenance. That whole 3-4 different car classes in a yard will be a thing of the past... we should have known this when the R160’s damn near replaced 4 different fleets in one sitting. 

Not to invalidate your point (there needs to be as much uniformity as possible; this was a problem for bus depots as well), but those 60' SMEEs shared many parts and could run together if need be.  It is only with the NTTs that there are so many drastic changes between car types, even ones that were built at the same time.  The R179s are far more different from the R160s than the R32s are from the R42s (mechanically/electrically speaking), which further demonstrates the need for uniformity.  Even if a yard like Jamaica were to get the 5-car sets, that would mean entirely new spare parts and maintenance procedures for a yard that's already overwhelmed.

Unfortunately, the 5-car R179s will be an oddball fleet for most of their lives, as there is no one line that can handle with just 12 trains and they are incompatible with the rest of the fleet.  It sucks, but there's nothing the MTA can do.

Edited June 6, 2018 by Bosco

[subwaycommuter1983]

3 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

Why would jamaica get the R179's if theres only gonna be 120 10 car trainsets. It makes sense to put them on the (A). 

 

And the is becoming full length before the shutdown 

I agree 100%. It's been mentioned 50 gazillion times. But then, the MTA may still make some last minute whacky decision in regards to the car assignments for the r179.