LGA Link N Train Posted August 31, 2018 Share #6526 Posted August 31, 2018 I don't want to ruin any fun but I heard that R32's are no longer scheduled for the due to rollsign issues and are now scheduled for the and though the is still getting R42's. I don't believe that this is true but I'd like to know if anyone has some information on this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coney Island Av Posted August 31, 2018 Share #6527 Posted August 31, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said: I don't want to ruin any fun but I heard that R32's are no longer scheduled for the due to rollsign issues and are now scheduled for the and though the is still getting R42's. I don't believe that this is true but I'd like to know if anyone has some information on this. It's not accurate. I brought it up in this thread recently and a ton of content pertaining to it got removed for the aforementioned reason. Plus, rollsign issues are irrelevant, given that the average rider won't even pay attention/even know what "West End" or "Washington Heights" means. As long as they see , they'll know it's a and it's fine. Besides, they even used the old rollsigns on the R42s during the Myrtle viaduct work, and not a single rider got confused. I'll say this: there are multiple possible outcomes/scenarios that can happen with the R32s, R42s, and R179s for Canarsie. But only one of them will occur, and we'll have to wait and see as always. Edited August 31, 2018 by Coney Island Av 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted August 31, 2018 Share #6528 Posted August 31, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said: I don't want to ruin any fun but I heard that R32's are no longer scheduled for the due to rollsign issues and are now scheduled for the and though the is still getting R42's. I don't believe that this is true but I'd like to know if anyone has some information on this. In the case of the r32's most likely yes, although the MTA hasn't confirmed this. The r68's are staying in the B. I have a feeling that based on numbers the r42's might be preserved as backup, used as work trains or be retired. Sorry for those who don't want the r42's to be retired, but they can't stay in service forever and they're not in good shape. Edited August 31, 2018 by subwaycommuter1983 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted August 31, 2018 Share #6529 Posted August 31, 2018 47 minutes ago, Coney Island Av said: Plus, rollsign issues are irrelevant, given that the average rider won't even pay attention/even know what "West End" or "Washington Heights" means. As long as they see , they'll know it's a and it's fine. Besides, they even used the old rollsigns on the R42s during the Myrtle viaduct work, and not a single rider got confused. That's not what the issue is. They would prefer to have R46s on the so they don't have to change the top roll from Harlem-145 St to Bedford Park Blvd every rush hour. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted August 31, 2018 Share #6530 Posted August 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Around the Horn said: That's not what the issue is. They would prefer to have R46s on the so they don't have to change the top roll from Harlem-145 St to Bedford Park Blvd every rush hour. But didnt Westchester complain about this when they got the 62A's? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted August 31, 2018 Share #6531 Posted August 31, 2018 Where the hell is R179 3070-3073?!?! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted August 31, 2018 Share #6532 Posted August 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Lawrence St said: But didnt Westchester complain about this when they got the 62A's? Big difference. The had no choice but to accept non-NTTS without LED. R46s have LED for signs to easily change terminals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B22viaAtlanticAv Posted August 31, 2018 Share #6533 Posted August 31, 2018 5 hours ago, VIP said: Where the hell is R179 3070-3073?!?! It's possible 3070-3073 could be the production set and it could be delivered last to close the order... Just my opinion 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 6 Ave Local Posted August 31, 2018 Share #6534 Posted August 31, 2018 1 hour ago, B22viaAtlanticAv said: It's possible 3070-3073 could be the production set and it could be delivered last to close the order... Just my opinion That makes a lot of sense. How close are we to finishing the 4-car order? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 6 Ave Local Posted August 31, 2018 Share #6535 Posted August 31, 2018 10 hours ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said: I don't want to ruin any fun but I heard that R32's are no longer scheduled for the due to rollsign issues and are now scheduled for the and though the is still getting R42's. I don't believe that this is true but I'd like to know if anyone has some information on this. In that case we have to re-arrange all of our predictions 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted August 31, 2018 Share #6536 Posted August 31, 2018 3018/19 were spotted at GWB yesterday. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted August 31, 2018 Share #6537 Posted August 31, 2018 9 hours ago, Lawrence St said: But didnt Westchester complain about this when they got the 62A's? 7 hours ago, MysteriousBtrain said: Big difference. The had no choice but to accept non-NTTS without LED. R46s have LED for signs to easily change terminals. Also, "loaner" sets from 240th Street notwithstanding, the circle/diamond LEDs are a good indicator of Parkchester local/Pelham Bay Park express service, which is good because it's extremely rare that those signs are moved from one to the other. In regards to the sign issue for the , it's not a problem for the 68s since Bedford Park Blvd and 145 Street are right next to each other on the sign curtains. On the 32s however, they're on opposite sides of the roll since the destinations were arranged alphanumerically. Some curtains were modified to have 145 Street be the first exposure, covering over Astoria Blvd, to make it easier to cycle between the two northern terminals of the line. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted August 31, 2018 Share #6538 Posted August 31, 2018 12 hours ago, MysteriousBtrain said: Big difference. The had no choice but to accept non-NTTS without LED. R46s have LED for signs to easily change terminals. The plan was for the to get the 62A’s but I’m curious to have known how their R142 and R142A’s affect the ordering R188 cars... also does Yard workers/management really complain about fleet, if so how does anyone know the nature of the complaints??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 6 Ave Local Posted August 31, 2018 Share #6539 Posted August 31, 2018 (edited) According to Wikipedia the entire order consists of 49 4-car sets and 26 5-car sets... right now its 14 and 1 Edited August 31, 2018 by KK 6 Ave Local 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coney Island Av Posted August 31, 2018 Share #6540 Posted August 31, 2018 Do the five-car sets have to do the consecutive 30-day test? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHacksJustKhaks Posted September 1, 2018 Share #6541 Posted September 1, 2018 13 minutes ago, Coney Island Av said: Do the five-car sets have to do the consecutive 30-day test? I’m assuming so, the 4-car R-179 sets did the same and didn’t officially enter revenue service until December 2017. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coney Island Av Posted September 1, 2018 Share #6542 Posted September 1, 2018 The seems to be gradually losing its R160s. 9943-9946 and 9959-9962 were recently transferred back to the . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHacksJustKhaks Posted September 1, 2018 Share #6543 Posted September 1, 2018 Just now, Coney Island Av said: The seems to be gradually losing its R160s. 9943-9946 and 9959-9962 were recently transferred back to the . Indeed, i've seen more R46's on the line (from the ) recently. This is to make the fleet NTT if im correct. By April 2019, the fleet will likely loose all of it's NTT trains, and maybe R32's as well since I know many are transferring to the . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted September 1, 2018 Share #6544 Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) On 8/30/2018 at 8:24 PM, Coney Island Av said: And this calls for a MAJOR, MAJOR UPDATE!!! 3010-3014: At Bombardier, soon going back to NYC 3015-3019: On its way back to NYC after being missing for over four months 3050-3057, 3058-3065, 3066-3069, 3074-3077, 3078-3081, 3082-3085, 3086-3089, 3090-3093, 3094-3097, 3098-3101, 3102-3105, 3106-3109, 3110-3113, 3114-3117, 3118-3121, 3122-3125, 3126-3129, 3134-3137: All in service on the 3130-3133, 3138-3141: To enter service very very soon, if they haven't already 3142-3145, 3146-3149: Testing in the Rockaways Also, next week will mark over two years since the first R179 car, 3014, was delivered to NYC! I did some Math and 27 4 car sets have not been delivered yet in addition to the 5 car sets. This is still a possible car assignments during Canarsie shutdown: A: r179's, r46's, r32's (Not confirmed by MTA) B: r68's including r68's from G (Not confirmed by MTA) C : r46's (car assignment not confirmed by MTA. Full length confirmed by MTA). D : r68's including r68's from G (Extra service confirmed by MTA - Byford plan) G: r160's, r32's ( car assignment not confirmed by MTA. Full length confirmed by MTA) J/Z: r179's L: r143's M: r160's including r160's from L ( Confirmed by MTA). However, I wouldn't ruled out this possibility based on 8th Avenue and QBL CTBC, which will both use r160's and r211's: C : 10 car r160's N/Q/W: r46's R: r160's Additionally, I have an impression that the r211's would be running primarily on the A, B, D with a few sets possibly on the C and R trains. The r68's would replace the r46's on the N, Q and W. This may happen as a result of 8th Avenue CTBC. Now the tricky question: what will happen on the A division once Lexington Avenue becomes CTBC? The r62s won't be able to run on the Lexington Avenue line once it becomes CTBC. 😄 Edited September 1, 2018 by subwaycommuter1983 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted September 1, 2018 Share #6545 Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) 21 hours ago, MysteriousBtrain said: Big difference. The had no choice but to accept non-NTTS without LED. R46s have LED for signs to easily change terminals. There's the but that wasn't a choice given b/c of wider doors and crowding on the Express all day. Edited September 1, 2018 by Calvin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted September 1, 2018 Share #6546 Posted September 1, 2018 21 hours ago, MysteriousBtrain said: Big difference. The had no choice but to accept non-NTTS without LED. R46s have LED for signs to easily change terminals. The 6 may have to swap trains with the 2 once Lexington Avenue becomes CTBC, unless the MTA has a secret car order that will replace the r62s on the 6. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B46 via Utica Posted September 1, 2018 Share #6547 Posted September 1, 2018 The R42s will be reserved for (B) service correct? Nothing's retiring till after the (L) shutdown. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted September 1, 2018 Share #6548 Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, B46 via Utica said: The R42s will be reserved for service correct? Nothing's retiring till after the shutdown. The MTA has not confirmed that information, but the MTA did confirmed that the r32's will be preserved during the shutdown. What may most likely happen is that the B, D possibly the N/W may get the r68's from the G. The MTA did confirm that the D will get extra trains this fall. Edited September 1, 2018 by subwaycommuter1983 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlgorithmOfTruth Posted September 1, 2018 Share #6549 Posted September 1, 2018 16 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said: I did some Math and 27 4 car sets have not been delivered yet in addition to the 5 car sets. This is still a possible car assignments during Canarsie shutdown: A: r179's, r46's, r32's (Not confirmed by MTA) B: r68's including r68's from G (Not confirmed by MTA) C : r46's (car assignment not confirmed by MTA. Full length confirmed by MTA). D : r68's including r68's from G (Extra service confirmed by MTA - Byford plan) G: r160's, r32's ( car assignment not confirmed by MTA. Full length confirmed by MTA) J/Z: r179's L: r143's M: r160's including r160's from L ( Confirmed by MTA). However, I wouldn't ruled out this possibility based on 8th Avenue and QBL CTBC, which will both use r160's and r211's: C : 10 car r160's N/Q/W: r46's R: r160's Additionally, I have an impression that the r211's would be running primarily on the A, B, D with a few sets possibly on the C and R trains. The r68's would replace the r46's on the N, Q and W. This may happen as a result of 8th Avenue CTBC. Now the tricky question: what will happen on the A division once Lexington Avenue becomes CTBC? The r62s won't be able to run on the Lexington Avenue line once it becomes CTBC. 😄 I see that you omitted the R42s from your predicted car assignment list to be implemented before the closure of the 14th Street Tunnels. Do you really expect them to be retired at such a critical time when the MTA needs all the rolling stock it can possibly utilize? We're expecting a considerable shift in passenger ridership patterns to mitigate the harsh inconvenience of the closure. As it stands, 5 10-car R42 sets can be assembled and used. At a time so crucial, you need everything you can get your hands on and some more. When you prepare for a disaster you stock up on supplies, not go and throw away the things you feel you won't need. In the event you're faced with a shortage of some sort, (and the possibility is there) you're going to desperately regret tossing your options. Preparation isn't only about what you predict to expect... A big part of it is knowing that there will be obstacles that you can't always foresee... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted September 1, 2018 Share #6550 Posted September 1, 2018 49 minutes ago, AlgorithmOfTruth said: I see that you omitted the R42s from your predicted car assignment list to be implemented before the closure of the 14th Street Tunnels. Do you really expect them to be retired at such a critical time when the MTA needs all the rolling stock it can possibly utilize? We're expecting a considerable shift in passenger ridership patterns to mitigate the harsh inconvenience of the closure. As it stands, 5 10-car R42 sets can be assembled and used. At a time so crucial, you need everything you can get your hands on and some more. When you prepare for a disaster you stock up on supplies, not go and throw away the things you feel you won't need. In the event you're faced with a shortage of some sort, (and the possibility is there) you're going to desperately regret tossing your options. Preparation isn't only about what you predict to expect... A big part of it is knowing that there will be obstacles that you can't always foresee... I didn't include the r42's because the MTA has not confirmed whether or not the r42's will be preserved during the shutdown. I don't think the r42's will retire before the shutdown. I have a feeling that they may be preserved as a backup in case more issues do arise on the r179's, or ridership on the G is so high that the extra full length trains cannot handle the volume. Lets see what happens, but I feel that the people in Brooklyn are going to be fine during the shutdown. It's the people in Manhattan, especially those who live in Alphabet City, who are going to really suffer the loss of L service, which is the only line that serves the area. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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