Far Rock Depot Posted January 18, 2019 Share #7051 Posted January 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said: Speaking about confirmed information check out this article: https://www.amny.com/transit/l-train-status-1.26067722 No L train shutdown!!! So today they made it official. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted January 18, 2019 Share #7052 Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, subwaycommuter1983 said: I don't mean to disrespect any transit workers, but the only sources that are 100% credible is what the MTA and the government confirms to the media. Everything else is just on our personal wishes, theories and ideas that may or may not happen, especially now that the Canarsie shutdown is not happening. in fact, what has been happening to the A, C during the last few weeks is not part of the "original plan", like the return of the 8 car r32's to the C and the A still having at least 80% of it's r46's. I'm pretty sure that a lot of people in this forum, including myself, didn't see that coming. If the RTO source said they are training crews on how to operate 179s then it's a credible source IMO. When the 160s were coming in crews got trained in the weeks leading up to the 160s debuting on a new line at the time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted January 18, 2019 Share #7053 Posted January 18, 2019 When it comes to roster assignments...Sure, things do change and its never 100% in stone. But with that being said, if a person is actually working on car assignments, I would trust that information over any other info. Just saying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted January 18, 2019 Share #7054 Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, subwaycommuter1983 said: I don't mean to disrespect any transit workers, but the only sources that are 100% credible is what the MTA and the government confirms to the media. Everything else is just on our personal wishes, theories and ideas that may or may not happen, especially now that the Canarsie shutdown is not happening. in fact, what has been happening to the A, C during the last few weeks is not part of the "original plan", like the return of the 8 car r32's to the C and the A still having at least 80% of it's r46's. I'm pretty sure that a lot of people in this forum, including myself, didn't see that coming. It's not even 80%. It's more like 95% R46s. The five trainsets of R46s on the are probably back on the now too. Leaving the almost all R32s with whatever R160s that are left on the line in addition to the new R179s that recently were placed into the line's fleet. Edited January 18, 2019 by Jemorie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mine248 Posted January 18, 2019 Share #7055 Posted January 18, 2019 14 minutes ago, Jemorie said: It's not even 80%. It's more like 95% R46s. The five trainsets of R46s on the are probably back on the now too. Leaving the almost all R32s with whatever R160s that are left on the line in addition to the new R179s that recently were placed into the line's fleet. I thought it was that the R46s were being pooled and supplying the A and C (until it hits the quota) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted January 18, 2019 Share #7056 Posted January 18, 2019 The only reason why the C is mostly R32's is because the R179's that are running on the started having issues. Hence the R32's making up the majority of the fleet until the issues are resolved. Right now only 1 R179 is on the (C). Even with no shutdown, the is going full length and the is still going 480 feet (8 car trains) The only difference is that the R32's might not even be needed for the since I doubt they'll increase the headway since there's no shutdown. The R42's in this case is obviously not going to the (B). If that were the case they would have went straight there instead of being planned to go to 207th. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mine248 Posted January 18, 2019 Share #7057 Posted January 18, 2019 1 minute ago, R32 3838 said: The only reason why the C is mostly R32's is because the R179's that are running on the started having issues. Hence the R32's making up the majority of the fleet until the issues are resolved. Right now only 1 R179 is on the (C). Even with no shutdown, the is going full length and the is still going 480 feet (8 car trains) The only difference is that the R32's might not even be needed for the since I doubt they'll increase the headway since there's no shutdown. The R42's in this case is obviously not going to the (B). If that were the case they would have went straight there instead of being planned to go to 207th. Is that the whole reason why there were rumors surfacing about an additional two B cars for the R179 order? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted January 18, 2019 Share #7058 Posted January 18, 2019 For those who are still wishing for the r42's to stay in service "forever" read this quote from the Daily news article about the ongoing issues on the r179's: "NYC Transit, meanwhile, is desperate to get the cars running on the tracks so that it can retire the oldest of the 20th-century model cars still in operation, called R32." https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-metro-r179-mta-train-car-20190108-story.html Keep in mind that the r32's are in much better shape than the r42's and the chances of the r32's staying in service until the r211's are higher than the r42's. But again, the MTA has the final word. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enjineer Posted January 18, 2019 Share #7059 Posted January 18, 2019 I think given the B division fleet shortages, the R42s might just stay even as surplus cars just for worst-case scenarios and rainy days. I don't think anything's getting scrapped until the 211s begin to arrive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted January 18, 2019 Share #7060 Posted January 18, 2019 56 minutes ago, Enjineer said: I think given the B division fleet shortages, the R42s might just stay even as surplus cars just for worst-case scenarios and rainy days. I don't think anything's getting scrapped until the 211s begin to arrive. I have the same impression. They won't get scrapped, but they won't see a lot of passenger service once all r179's are in service. I don't think it's a good idea for a subway car to get scrapped immediately after retirement. Rumor has it that the r68's had so many issues during the first few months of service in the 1980's that some trains that were already retired had to be put back in service. I don't know if that was true, but the MTA should use the r179 issue as a lesson and a warning. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted January 18, 2019 Author Share #7061 Posted January 18, 2019 On 1/9/2019 at 5:18 PM, XcelsiorBoii4888 said: Gotcha, it's just so stupid how the base order of R211s are gonna be standard, and then options would have the open gangway. They should've down the real testing with this small order. I wish I followed up on trains more often. It’s not really stupid at all. MTA isn’t gonna order trains they haven’t tested so thats why there are 2 open-gangway test trains with the base order. Not sure what you mean about “this small order” or what you are referring to. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted January 18, 2019 Share #7062 Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, East New York said: It’s not really stupid at all. MTA isn’t gonna order trains they haven’t tested so thats why there are 2 open-gangway test trains with the base order. Not sure what you mean about “this small order” or what you are referring to. I believe the r179 is what he's referring to, given that's it's roughly 300 or so cars, even though the only other "small orders" since the NTT era began has been the 143 and 188. On 1/9/2019 at 5:18 PM, XcelsiorBoii4888 said: Gotcha, it's just so stupid how the base order of R211s are gonna be standard, and then options would have the open gangway. They should've down the real testing with this small order. I wish I followed up on trains more often. Now if you're referring to them testing open gangways with the 179s, keep in mind that 1)this order is a few years late with delivery and 2) these cars were designed and ordered before the decision to test open gangway cars. And as ENY stated, they aren't going to order something they haven't tested yet. They learned their lessons with ATO on the R44 order, the Rockwell articulated trucks on the R46 order and the infamous Grumman 870 bus. This is why the current NTT concept was first tested with the R110A/B, the Low Floor bus with the Orion VI and Nova LFS, and all these all-electric buses we've been testing out for the last few years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted January 18, 2019 Share #7063 Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, R32 3838 said: The only reason why the C is mostly R32's is because the R179's that are running on the started having issues. Hence the R32's making up the majority of the fleet until the issues are resolved. Right now only 1 R179 is on the (C). What about the five sets of R46s on the line? Last week, I saw like two I think. And almost every was an R46. Haven't seen one on the this week so far. Edited January 18, 2019 by Jemorie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted January 18, 2019 Share #7064 Posted January 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Jemorie said: What about the five sets of R46s on the line? Last week, I saw like two I think. And almost every was an R46. Haven't seen one on the this week so far. Me neither and what is even more weird is that the r32's are running as 8 car trains and there are already enough r32's on 207 that can be converted into 10 car trains. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielhg121 Posted January 18, 2019 Share #7065 Posted January 18, 2019 Are there any R179’s on the rn? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coney Island Av Posted January 18, 2019 Share #7066 Posted January 18, 2019 Just a heads up, the R42s aren’t leaving anytime soon. One set just got transferred over to the , which is proof in and of itself they’ll be staying... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted January 18, 2019 Share #7067 Posted January 18, 2019 3 hours ago, Coney Island Av said: Just a heads up, the R42s aren’t leaving anytime soon. One set just got transferred over to the , which is proof in and of itself they’ll be staying... Tardy to the party boyyyy! Lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted January 18, 2019 Share #7068 Posted January 18, 2019 Speaking of the #10yearchallenge lol!!! it's been 10 years that the A, E, F, R, V and other lines were swamped for several months with r40's, slants, and r42's as a result of the r160's being delivered, tested and being put in service. It's possible that a similar pattern is happening on the A, and C due to the r179's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted January 18, 2019 Share #7069 Posted January 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said: Speaking of the #10yearchallenge lol!!! it's been 10 years that the A, E, F, R, V and other lines were swamped for several months with r40's, slants, and r42's as a result of the r160's being delivered, tested and being put in service. It's possible that a similar pattern is happening on the A, and C due to the r179's. Except only 3 lines are affected... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted January 18, 2019 Share #7070 Posted January 18, 2019 18 hours ago, R32 3838 said: It's likely the R46's would get pushed out instead of the R32's and R42's. It would make sense due to the fact CIY is already getting R46's from Jamaica for an exchange for R160's and the fact the will get R46's by default. They rather have all the old shit at 207th so once retirement comes, straight to Newark nj for scrapping. 207 Street R46’s aren’t going ANYWHERE. Its the Jamaica’s R46’s that will be transferred to Coney Island in exchange for their R160’s EXCEPT their Siemens Sets. When ALL the 10-car R179’s perform to standard, Regularly; then the R42’s will start to get scrapped. All 222 R32’s are staying until R211’s start running in REGULAR passenger service. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted January 18, 2019 Share #7071 Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, VIP said: 207 Street R46’s aren’t going ANYWHERE. Its the Jamaica’s R46’s that will be transferred to Coney Island in exchange for their R160’s EXCEPT their Siemens Sets. When ALL the 10-car R179’s perform to standard, Regularly; then the R42’s will start to get scrapped. All 222 R32’s are staying until R211’s start running in REGULAR passenger service. CI is still going to need extra cars, if the R32's and 42's are staying at 207th, the R179 is gonna have to push out something. The R46's are obvious but it's likely only a few sets would go. If the doesn't have enough 8 car tech trains then some R32's will have to get transferred as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted January 18, 2019 Share #7072 Posted January 18, 2019 Also all the Siemens are going to Jamaica as well, all of them have been equipped with cbtc 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted January 19, 2019 Share #7073 Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) Well guys, the R42s last ran on the in the Summers of 2011 and 2012 when they did the full swap between the and instead of this "swap" it is now. Btw, I hope the R42s stay on the a while longer for the moment. I still have yet to get some final pics and vids of them on that line before they're pushed out of ENY for good. Edited January 19, 2019 by Jemorie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coney Island Av Posted January 19, 2019 Share #7074 Posted January 19, 2019 I decided to go out and fan the R42s today. And when I was on the , I saw a lot of R160s when compared to just three R42s. Crazy how it was the exact opposite just a few months back... They're still out there, but they won't around at ENY for much longer... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m2fwannabe Posted January 19, 2019 Share #7075 Posted January 19, 2019 Still just one R-179 train on as we close the week, but NO R-46's (plus one R-160, beau coup R-32's). Several R-179's on and . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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