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On 2/19/2019 at 12:07 AM, Fan Railer said:

storm doors were clipped open to improve airflow in the cars.

And still are on the Holiday Nostalgia Train. You can freely move between cars and nobody will say anything about you doing so. 

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On 11/1/2018 at 2:40 PM, subwaycommuter1983 said:

Wow, thank you for sharing this information.

There was a rumor years ago that the r160's were supposed to to the B/D trains.

However, this information confirms that this rumor is not true.

Is 318 cars now instead of 316 cars.

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1 minute ago, JayJay85 said:

Is 318 cars now instead of 316 cars.

Its not 318 cars — yet. Andy Byford only confirmed that the order will be extended by *at least* 2 cars, meaning it could be over 318 cars. However, 318 is looking extremely likely at the moment.

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On 11/1/2018 at 2:40 PM, subwaycommuter1983 said:

Wow, thank you for sharing this information.

There was a rumor years ago that the r160's were supposed to to the B/D trains.

However, this information confirms that this rumor is not true.

Is 318 cars now instead of 316 cars.

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There are more r32's on the A and more r46's on the C.

If the C goes full length, but the G stays the same way, then the other option for the MTA to manage the surplus of 8 car trains at ENY is to extend the J past Broad street during rush hour. 

In fact according to an article in AMNY, the possibility of a J extension is already being explored.

Click on this link to READ the article

https://www.amny.com/transit/r-train-split-service-1.27559690

 

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1 hour ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

There are more r32's on the A and more r46's on the C.

If the C goes full length, but the G stays the same way, then the other option for the MTA to manage the surplus of 8 car trains at ENY is to extend the J past Broad street during rush hour. 

In fact according to an article in AMNY, the possibility of a J extension is already being explored.

Click on this link to READ the article

https://www.amny.com/transit/r-train-split-service-1.27559690

 

Really?🤔the article had more to do with cutting the (R) in two than exploring any possiblity of extending the (J) because the have a surplus of 8car R179....

Side note: The MTA has been upgrading the Switches between Ditmas Ave and 18 Ave...Could be one of the reasons they ain't ready to out right push additional cars to the (G)

 

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1 hour ago, B22viaAtlanticAv said:

Really?🤔the article had more to do with cutting the (R) in two than exploring any possiblity of extending the (J) because the have a surplus of 8car R179....

Side note: The MTA has been upgrading the Switches between Ditmas Ave and 18 Ave...Could be one of the reasons they ain't ready to out right push additional cars to the (G)

 

Yes, but I doubt the MTA would split the R unless R train riders in Queens, Manhattan and Brooklyn request the R to be split. The article mentions the J extension as an alternative to that idea as well as additional R train services.

The MTA needs to find a way of managing the surplus of 8 car trains. If the G doesn't go full length, the other options would be the C until the r211's, the J extension or some secret way of making some 8 car r179's into 10 car trains.

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But one line tho...

"Ben Kabak, of Second Avenue Sagas, said it would be much more fruitful to explore adding R service during rush hours or extending the J train down from lower Manhattan."

Anyways, since Cuomo worked his magic...I don't think the MTA is in any rush to extend or improve anything right now... we just got wait and see...

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On 2/22/2019 at 6:08 AM, Fan Railer said:

3214-3217; last night.

A week late!...:angry:...again!!

That's 174 delivered.

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5 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

Yes, but I doubt the MTA would split the R unless R train riders in Queens, Manhattan and Brooklyn request the R to be split. The article mentions the J extension as an alternative to that idea as well as additional R train services.

The MTA needs to find a way of managing the surplus of 8 car trains. If the G doesn't go full length, the other options would be the C until the r211's, the J extension or some secret way of making some 8 car r179's into 10 car trains.

The M was cut from South Brooklyn because of no real demand for it....

sending the J down to South Brooklyn brings back the same issue and then where is it terminating at ?

Bay Ridge ?

Bay Parkway ?

where 

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1 hour ago, Lawrence St said:

Why was the (C) not full length to begin with?

I think it's because for a very long time (until 1988) the (C) was part time and they never got around to putting it at full length.

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2 hours ago, KK 6 Ave Local said:

I think it's because for a very long time (until 1988) the (C) was part time and they never got around to putting it at full length.

He knows why. He just pretends like he doesn’t know why.

And no. The reason is because the shops at 207th Street can only hold 480 feet long trains.

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7 hours ago, B22viaAtlanticAv said:

But one line tho...

"Ben Kabak, of Second Avenue Sagas, said it would be much more fruitful to explore adding R service during rush hours or extending the J train down from lower Manhattan."

Anyways, since Cuomo worked his magic...I don't think the MTA is in any rush to extend or improve anything right now... we just got wait and see...

I agree. The MTA has changed so many plans as a result of the cancellation of Canarsie shutdown. It's still unclear what's going to happen once all r179's are in service. The only thing the MTA has confirmed is that the G won't be full length.

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4 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

Why was the (C) not full length to begin with?

(C) is not packed at all besides from lower Manhattan to mid town in rush hour. I am not seeing any benefit to have full length(C)

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1 hour ago, whz1995 said:

(C) is not packed at all besides from lower Manhattan to mid town in rush hour. I am not seeing any benefit to have full length(C)

You obviously are saying that just because. Just curious, do you ride the line from Brooklyn to Manhattan in the AM?

And keep in mind that the (C) being full length isn’t just extra capacity. It’s also basically a slight increase in service as well. For example, the (C) uses 144 cars (18 trainsets of eight car trains). You add an extra 36 cars (four trains of eight car trains) and that’s a slight increase from 10 minute headways to 7.5 minute headways.

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1 hour ago, whz1995 said:

(C) is not packed at all besides from lower Manhattan to mid town in rush hour. I am not seeing any benefit to have full length(C)

Have you taken the C to any station along CPW??

The C gets really crowded especially during the weekends, when there's no B trains running and 81st street is always packed during the daytime (weekdays and weekends).

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1 hour ago, whz1995 said:

I am not seeing any benefit to have full length(C)

(C) ridership has been amping up lately and sometimes, even on non rush hour runs, the trains can be packed. It may have been good before as a 4 car set, but you can't sing a song with Barney The Purple Dinosaur to ignore that the (C) will need at least some 8 car sets to handle higher rider numbers for gods sake. 

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38 minutes ago, Jemorie said:

You obviously are saying that just because. Just curious, do you ride the line from Brooklyn to Manhattan in the AM?

And keep in mind that the (C) being full length isn’t just extra capacity. It’s also basically a slight increase in service as well. For example, the (C) uses 144 cars (18 trainsets of eight car trains). You add an extra 36 cars (four trains of eight car trains) and that’s a slight increase from 10 minute headways to 7.5 minute headways.

I agree. More C trains are needed and they need to be full length trains not just in Brooklyn, but also along CPW. 81st is overcrowded during the weekends, where the C headways are terrible and there is no B service.

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Train is at Far Rock - Mott Ave right now. Wasn't even looking for it, since I didn't an chance to ride it on the Rockaway elevated structure the first time I rode it, Guess I'll do that now lol.

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2 hours ago, whz1995 said:

(C) is not packed at all besides from lower Manhattan to mid town in rush hour. I am not seeing any benefit to have full length(C)

Are you out of your mind? I was crushed in a (C) train just yesterday afternoon...

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3 hours ago, Jemorie said:

He knows why. He just pretends like he doesn’t know why.

Wasn't it also due to fleet shortages, at least until recently? 

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3 minutes ago, Around the Horn said:

Are you out of your mind? I was crushed in a (C) train just yesterday afternoon...

Hell, I've been on crushed (C) trains all WEEK.....working around the UWS can be a pain in the ass because of that.

Thank god for (B) trains lol.

3198-3205 seems to be done with testing, it should hit service pretty soon.

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3 minutes ago, Enjineer said:

Wasn't it also due to fleet shortages, at least until recently? 

This was also the effect. Until more R179 trains enter service (as in the 3200s etc.) on the Fulton St line, that'll change. 

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