subwaycommuter1983 Posted January 10, 2020 Share #8726 Posted January 10, 2020 59 minutes ago, HazmatCat2004 said: Has one R42 made its way onto the C???? I saw one pair shuffling on the b line! also, does anyone know when the r42s will be taken away again?? I will miss em so much So far the J/Z. The C will stay with r32's, the A with r46's and the J/Z with r143's, r160's, and r42's. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted January 10, 2020 Share #8727 Posted January 10, 2020 Enjoy the r42's, while it lasts because once the door problems on the r179's are fixed, they'll be back for good. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted January 10, 2020 Share #8728 Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, HazmatCat2004 said: Has one R42 made its way onto the C???? I saw one pair shuffling on the b line! also, does anyone know when the r42s will be taken away again?? I will miss em so much Nah, a R42 didn't run on the recently... the briefly used 8 car 42s in the late 2000s but it was short lived and they put the 32s back on the line, something to do with the C/R position IIRC The 42s also ran on the shorty after superstorm Sandy for some reason. I am JUST NOW finding out about 42s on the in 2012, I googled "R42 C train" and these videos popped up of 42s running on the C in 2012, WTF!?! Edited January 10, 2020 by trainfan22 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted January 10, 2020 Share #8729 Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, subwaycommuter1983 said: Enjoy the r42's, while it lasts because once the door problems on the r179's are fixed, they'll be back for good. You don’t know that, in fact no one knows that for certain. If the issues aren’t resolved then the cars may be indefinitely removed from service. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted January 10, 2020 Share #8730 Posted January 10, 2020 4 hours ago, VIP said: You don’t know that, in fact no one knows that for certain. If the issues aren’t resolved then the cars may be indefinitely removed from service. From what I heard, they're keeping the R42's and all the R32's. After the bullshit with the R179's they aren't taking any chances. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted January 10, 2020 Share #8731 Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, R32 3838 said: From what I heard, they're keeping the R42's and all the R32's. After the bullshit with the R179's they aren't taking any chances. Ha, this goes back to a comment I posted months ago about the r42's not being scrapped, but being preserved as an "emergency fleet" . The MTA should not scrap trains immediately after retirement. I still feel optimistic about the r179's. Let's not forget what happened with the r46's, r68's and r142's during the first few years of service. They were pulled oos due to issues and those were massive orders compared to the r179's. These issues were fixed and all three fleets are very reliable. The r179's are needed. Byford assured everyone that the MTA will work their butts off , inspect and fix the r179's, so that they can go back in service ASAP. Fingers crossed. Edited January 10, 2020 by subwaycommuter1983 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted January 10, 2020 Share #8732 Posted January 10, 2020 This is what Byford said in regards to what fleets are temporarily replacing the r179's: "our team proceeded to pull all of the R179 fleet, all 298 cars, out of service and replaced them with spare cars, specifically R46s on the A, R32s on the C, and R143s, R160s, and R42s on the J. That’s for a total of 298 cars, representing around 5 percent of our total fleet." (Byford). Byford also states that "we will not rush any cars back into service until we are wholly satisfied that it is safe to do so. So it will take as long as it safely takes because we want to ensure this process is completed as quickly and safely as possible." (Byford). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwwnyc123 Posted January 10, 2020 Share #8733 Posted January 10, 2020 Wow so no R179 for awhile. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted January 10, 2020 Share #8734 Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, subwaycommuter1983 said: Let's not forget what happened with the r46's, r68's and r142's during the first few years of service. They were pulled oos due to issues and those were massive orders compared to the r179's. That's my biggest gripe with this whole mess. The contract was for less than half of what Kawasaki was ultimately awarded for the R160s, and Bombardier still managed to screw it up. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R42sDaBest Posted January 11, 2020 Share #8735 Posted January 11, 2020 Theres was an NIS R179 that bypassed Eucild Ave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kosciusko Posted January 11, 2020 Share #8736 Posted January 11, 2020 (edited) 23 hours ago, VIP said: You don’t know that, in fact no one knows that for certain. If the issues aren’t resolved then the cars may be indefinitely removed from service. There's already aboubt 300 r179s in the yards, removing them froms service indefinitely is not an option for the MTA. Edited January 11, 2020 by kosciusko 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coney Island Av Posted January 11, 2020 Share #8737 Posted January 11, 2020 honestly this bullshit with the R179s just proves that the 42s and all of the 32s have to be kept around at least until the 211s set foot on property. take for example what happened back in 2008-10 when the MTA scrapped all the R40Ms and lots of Phase I 32s plus most of the 42s just to throw all the old equipment out the window but then it came back to bite when the 44s retired. MTA simply has to keep them on property in case events like these f**k up the road. theres simply no way theyre gonna trash the 32s/42s at this point when they had to pull an ENTIRE fleet OOS. and while they could retire them (again) when the 179 issues are fixed theres still a chance they (the 179s) can/will screw up again knowing how defective they can be... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted January 11, 2020 Share #8738 Posted January 11, 2020 3 hours ago, Coney Island Av said: honestly this bullshit with the R179s just proves that the 42s and all of the 32s have to be kept around at least until the 211s set foot on property. take for example what happened back in 2008-10 when the MTA scrapped all the R40Ms and lots of Phase I 32s plus most of the 42s just to throw all the old equipment out the window but then it came back to bite when the 44s retired. MTA simply has to keep them on property in case events like these f**k up the road. theres simply no way theyre gonna trash the 32s/42s at this point when they had to pull an ENTIRE fleet OOS. and while they could retire them (again) when the 179 issues are fixed theres still a chance they (the 179s) can/will screw up again knowing how defective they can be... The way those cars were made, they may not last as long or have to get an overhaul on some electrical components and adjust train operation controls in the cabs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted January 11, 2020 Share #8739 Posted January 11, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Coney Island Av said: honestly this bullshit with the R179s just proves that the 42s and all of the 32s have to be kept around at least until the 211s set foot on property. take for example what happened back in 2008-10 when the MTA scrapped all the R40Ms and lots of Phase I 32s plus most of the 42s just to throw all the old equipment out the window but then it came back to bite when the 44s retired. MTA simply has to keep them on property in case events like these f**k up the road. theres simply no way theyre gonna trash the 32s/42s at this point when they had to pull an ENTIRE fleet OOS. and while they could retire them (again) when the 179 issues are fixed theres still a chance they (the 179s) can/will screw up again knowing how defective they can be... Same goes with the r46's when the r211's enter service, and the r62's when the r262's enter service. The MTA should be lucky that the r32's and r42's are still in better shape than the r44's. The bottom line is that subway cars should not be scrapped immediately after retirement. They should be preserved as an "emergency fleet" until the new subway cars achieve a level of efficiency that will allow retired cars to be scrapped. Edited January 11, 2020 by subwaycommuter1983 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted January 11, 2020 Share #8740 Posted January 11, 2020 1 hour ago, subwaycommuter1983 said: Same goes with the r46's when the r211's enter service, and the r62's when the r262's enter service. The MTA should be lucky that the r32's and r42's are still in better shape than the r44's. The bottom line is that subway cars should not be scrapped immediately after retirement. They should be preserved as an "emergency fleet" until the new subway cars achieve a level of efficiency that will allow retired cars to be scrapped. I believe they been doing that, they use to store retired R32-R42 cars at Concourse for a while before finally being transferred to 207th for reefing. I think the same was done for the Redbirds as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted January 11, 2020 Share #8741 Posted January 11, 2020 It was. I remember seeing Redbirds stored at Unionport and Concourse yards for good couple years after the became fully R142/142A. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted January 12, 2020 Share #8742 Posted January 12, 2020 Check out this video 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Valiant Posted January 12, 2020 Share #8743 Posted January 12, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, subwaycommuter1983 said: Check out this video 024/298.... Edited January 12, 2020 by Snorunts 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted January 12, 2020 Share #8744 Posted January 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Snorunts said: 024/298.... They’re gonna be OUT for awhile... now I’m second guessing how the hell these cars passed their revenue service testing.... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ of JGD Posted January 12, 2020 Share #8745 Posted January 12, 2020 4 hours ago, VIP said: They’re gonna be OUT for awhile... now I’m second guessing how the hell these cars passed their revenue service testing.... Now, I can’t say anything about 3010-19. I don’t think the tests before that gave accurate results. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimplyMyself Posted January 12, 2020 Share #8746 Posted January 12, 2020 So I was randomly looking through a SubChat thread and saw this comment. "An R179 is a R211 with 1998 color interiors. R142, R143, R160, and R188s can trainline with each other. R179s cant. R179s are an experiment of picking another generation of parts by the MTA for the R211s/R262. Door motors without limit switches, only stepper motor feedback is the "revolutionary" design on R179s." (bulk88) http://www.subchat.com/readflat.asp?Id=1534620&p=4 If this is accurate, then it is wise of the MTA to test these technologies on a smaller fleet, such as the R179s. It would be better to get these design flaws worked out for larger orders like the R211 and R262. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted January 12, 2020 Share #8747 Posted January 12, 2020 (edited) The R179 are restarting its monthly testing process. Currently at Mytrle Av-Bway: the R179 opened the opposite doors at the end platforms. Edited January 12, 2020 by Calvin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted January 12, 2020 Share #8748 Posted January 12, 2020 10 hours ago, VIP said: They’re gonna be OUT for awhile... now I’m second guessing how the hell these cars passed their revenue service testing.... Let's wait and see. These cars are being inspected and any cars that pass the inspection will most likely go back in service, but those that don't, will have to be repaired before going back to service. I wouldn't be surprised, in the best case scenario, if a few r179's go back to service some time this week. Fingers crossed!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R42sDaBest Posted January 12, 2020 Share #8749 Posted January 12, 2020 12 minutes ago, Calvin said: The R179 are restarting its monthly testing process. Currently at Mytrle Av-Bway: the R179 opened the opposite doors at the end platforms. Well that was quick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted January 12, 2020 Share #8750 Posted January 12, 2020 Was 3010-3019 not throughly tested for two years before being accepted? Surely they would have noticed this issue before hand... And regarding that first incident, was the reason why that train went BIE is because the door slid open 4 inches? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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