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Just got word the R179s returned to service. Anyone have an idea how many sets? 

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11 hours ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

That wouldn’t make sense because the (C) still needs to use some of the R32s to make service. Even before the R179s were all taken out of service, about half of the (C) was R32s. 

The MTA has been pretty vague in regards to the number of r32's that will retire with the r42's.

Right now, the C is pretty much the only line that still needs the r32's, since it's using about 12 r179's (96 cars)

My guess in terms of retirement would be 100% r42's and about 50-55% r32's.

Keep in mind that retired cars are usually stored for months and even years before being scrapped, just in case something happens with the new fleet.

As for the r179's, courtesy of those who have been posting on YouTube.

 

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I went today from Nostrand to 168 on (A) today. I saw Around 5 or 6 R179 (C) trains and 1 (A) . 

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Glad to see and hear they’re coming back into service. And sooner than I thought. For all the problems the R179s have had, we really do need them. Here’s hoping that they don’t have any more mechanical problems that force them out of service.

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13 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

Keep in mind that retired cars are usually stored for months and even years before being scrapped, just in case something happens with the new fleet.

Not necessarily; back in 2007-10 the TA scrapped retired SMEEs as fast as they could before they realized it was the R44s that needed to go.  That mentality reduced the spare factor- ten years later and we're still dealing with the fallout of that.

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43 minutes ago, Shore El Express said:

Does the return of the R179s mean the R42 are gone fir good? I’m Thursday there were five trains in service, but yesterday afternoon there was not one running

Yes, R179s are expected to replace all R42s.

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30 minutes ago, subwayfan1998 said:

Yes, R179s are expected to replace all R42s.

I mean when specifically. Since the R179s returned yesterday there were no R42s, but the previous day there were still five in service.

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There were a lot of R42's that got sent throughout the system, one got sent via Sea Beach and was still signed up as the (J) .

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10 hours ago, R10 2952 said:

Not necessarily; back in 2007-10 the TA scrapped retired SMEEs as fast as they could before they realized it was the R44s that needed to go.  That mentality reduced the spare factor- ten years later and we're still dealing with the fallout of that.

That's a mistake that the MTA cannot make again. Retired cars should be stored as emergency fleet for at least 2 years before being scrapped.

What happened with the r179's is very similar to what happened with the r46's, r68's, r142's during the first few months/years of service. The only difference was that the redbirds weren't brought back to service after retirement when the r142's were having issues, but in the case of the other fleets that I mentioned, yes.

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Not a minor issue, just to be fixed: The passenger stanchion is loose on one of the cars on the (A) . 

That's the showtime, everyone. 

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2 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

That's a mistake that the MTA cannot make again. Retired cars should be stored as emergency fleet for at least 2 years before being scrapped.

Word has it Cuomo is trying to force the MTA to retire the R32s/42s ASAP because of them being over 50 yrs old.

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2 hours ago, MysteriousBtrain said:

Word has it Cuomo is trying to force the MTA to retire the R32s/42s ASAP because of them being over 50 yrs old.

Chairman Foye isn’t  gonna let that happen. 

 

3 hours ago, Calvin said:

Not a minor issue, just to be fixed: The passenger stanchion is loose on one of the cars on the (A) . 

That's the showtime, everyone. 

Did you report it? 

 

4 hours ago, Maxwell179 said:

are all 13 10-car sets in service ?

No. 

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53 minutes ago, MysteriousBtrain said:

Word has it Cuomo is trying to force the MTA to retire the R32s/42s ASAP because of them being over 50 yrs old.

That would be crazy and plus production for the 211’s is not until another year at the least. Prototype schedule during the summer.
Let’s see how Kawasaki does on expedite production without flaws and mistakes. 

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1 hour ago, MysteriousBtrain said:

Word has it Cuomo is trying to force the MTA to retire the R32s/42s ASAP because of them being over 50 yrs old.

42s will probably be gone very soon and the R32s will be the first to go when the R211s come in. Probably 2022/23 once the main order is done.

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39 minutes ago, KK 6 Ave Local said:

42s will probably be gone very soon and the R32s will be the first to go when the R211s come in. Probably 2022/23 once the main order is done.

I doubt that ALL r32's will retire with the r42's. The C still needs about 100 r32's in addition to the 8 car r179's. The plan for the r179's was to replace all r42's and some r32's and I think the MTA is going to stick with the plan.

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even in the worst case scenario, the 179s will only be able to retire some R32s (probably 50-80 cars) and all of the remaining R42s. at least the majority of the R32s are definitely staying for at least another 2-3 years until the first production sets of R211s come in. theres simply not enough cars to retire ALL of them considering that we dont even have the first 211 in property. 

ideally, i can see the TA getting rid of a couple R32 sets for parts to keep the other cars running, given that about ten cars are currently stripped & OOS. the fate of the 42s is currently unknown at this moment since no one has confirmed their retirement (for good this time). 

and yes, while the MTA were successful in retiring the RTS last year in May (for those that followed the bus section of the forums), at least they had a surplus of new buses (XD40 & LFS) to do it, and there wasn't even a severe shortage of buses in that situation. this situation however is different cause the R179s were only able to offset the retirement of the R44s, meaning that there wasn't a gain in the amount of cars compared to pre-2010 levels. 

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8 hours ago, VIP said:

Chairman Foye isn’t  gonna let that happen. 

And then Cuomo will try to force him out like he did with Byford?

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1 hour ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

And then Cuomo will try to force him out like he did with Byford?

I’d like to see that unfold...

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