mine248 Posted March 5, 2021 Share #10051 Posted March 5, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said: These overshooting incidents have happened in the past with other car fleets. The issue with the R179s isn’t CBTC auto brake, unlike the CBTC enabled trains. It’s that the brakes don’t work reliably Edited March 5, 2021 by mine248 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted March 5, 2021 Share #10052 Posted March 5, 2021 (edited) 54 minutes ago, mine248 said: The issue with the R179s isn’t CBTC auto brake, unlike the CBTC enabled trains. It’s that the brakes don’t work reliably They need to be fixed and they need to enter the station at a slower speed because the overshooting have happened in the past on the JZ with other fleets as well and no overshooting incidents has happened on the A Edited March 5, 2021 by subwaycommuter1983 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from Maspeth Posted March 5, 2021 Share #10053 Posted March 5, 2021 5 hours ago, R68ACTrain said: Operators get to choose what train they want? Did not know that. Those who pick extra list as a job with set days off and tour (AM or PM or Midnight) and those who work extra extra list, who get assigned to this because there are no jobs remaining (after they are all picked), no set days off and no set tour to pick are the only people who have no say in what terminal they work out of and line they work. What terminal, line, shift and days off you have is based on seniority. There are 2 general picks per year. It would be a real crappy job if you live by Coney Island, for example, and you get assigned to work a job out of 207th and you have 20 years seniority wouldn't it? Plus with all the jobs needed to be covered system wide every day, it would be a nightmare for the crew offices to assign a job to thousands of people (train operators, conductors, tower operators, station agents, station cleaners) on a daily basis. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from Maspeth Posted March 5, 2021 Share #10054 Posted March 5, 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, jon2305 said: https://www.ny1.com/share/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2021/03/05/mta-s-troubled-train-cars-overran-stations-in-queens--operators-say-they-are-notorious?cid=share_clip This story from NY1 pertaining to 2 R179 cars overshooting the platforms on the stations. I have 2 words to begin with: Black Box. Until I get more info, I would not throw either the t/o's or the R179 consists "under the bus"....or take sides due to the reputation of these cars. I am not about to throw those t/o's under the bus until I find out where their brake sequencing began. On all equipment, including new techs, the t/o's are trained to allow additional stopping distance in inclement weather. The t/o's are trained to always have their train under control. To adjust your operation in accordance to the condition of the rails. That goes for every railroad on earth! Since I was a t/o for over 30 years, I will always give the t/o the benefit of the doubt...…..until proven wrong. If those black boxes tell me those t/o's came barreling into those stations and not apply a brake till he was well into the station, well, that's plain wrong. If the black boxes show that he (they) took a hard brake, released, then pulled another hard brake, it takes time for the air to adjust to apply further braking effort. So let's just wait till more is known. If the cars are at fault, then NYCT will take appropriate action on the cars. At this point, the cars are here to stay IMO. Transit will keep drilling into the heads of the t/o's to "ALWAYS HAVE YOUR TRAIN UNDER CONTROL". If lines running R179's become rookie lines, do y'all think transit cares? Hell no. The t/o's will either sink or swim and work another line when their seniority allows it. Edited March 5, 2021 by Bill from Maspeth 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted March 6, 2021 Share #10055 Posted March 6, 2021 5 hours ago, Bill from Maspeth said: I have 2 words to begin with: Black Box. Until I get more info, I would not throw either the t/o's or the R179 consists "under the bus"....or take sides due to the reputation of these cars. I am not about to throw those t/o's under the bus until I find out where their brake sequencing began. On all equipment, including new techs, the t/o's are trained to allow additional stopping distance in inclement weather. The t/o's are trained to always have their train under control. To adjust your operation in accordance to the condition of the rails. That goes for every railroad on earth! Since I was a t/o for over 30 years, I will always give the t/o the benefit of the doubt...…..until proven wrong. If those black boxes tell me those t/o's came barreling into those stations and not apply a brake till he was well into the station, well, that's plain wrong. If the black boxes show that he (they) took a hard brake, released, then pulled another hard brake, it takes time for the air to adjust to apply further braking effort. So let's just wait till more is known. If the cars are at fault, then NYCT will take appropriate action on the cars. At this point, the cars are here to stay IMO. Transit will keep drilling into the heads of the t/o's to "ALWAYS HAVE YOUR TRAIN UNDER CONTROL". If lines running R179's become rookie lines, do y'all think transit cares? Hell no. The t/o's will either sink or swim and work another line when their seniority allows it. Of course there are here to stay. Like them or not. Railfans have to get used to the fact that the r42's and r32's era is over. As for the r179's, their reliability will improve just like the r46's in the 90's and the r142's. Give them time. Thanks for the clarification in regards to the t/o's and the overshoot issues. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon2305 Posted March 11, 2021 Share #10056 Posted March 11, 2021 The spent approximately $600 million on those trains for all intents and purposes of replacing the R32s & R42s that were still remaining pass their useful life. So yes they will stay and serve the transit system for the long haul. It wouldn't make any logical sense at all to pull them of again and restore a car fleet close to 60 years of age back into service. The R179s are still relatively brand new even after two years so there still some kinks they have to troubleshoot on. They continue to check and maintain any viable aspect of the R179s so they'll get it together moving forward. The R142s which were made by the same builder as the R179s (Bombardier) had there issues early on as well, as did other subway car fleets. Despite all the mechanical flaws, bottom line at this point and time the R179s are needed and the can pick up the slack once the warranty on the R179s expire. There's no need for the blame game towards the T/Os or train crew in general. They are quality trained to know how to operate and control the movement of their assigned train. Unless there's more to it with said "Black Box", T/Os don't deserve to be scapegoated. The Bombardier techs from what I've heard don't grab as decent as the Kawasaki techs do when applying the braking system into a station and in bad weather it's the same issue with all the tech trains. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted March 11, 2021 Share #10057 Posted March 11, 2021 To add onto this, the R44s and the R46s weren't exactly problem-free when they came in, and they stuck around for a good while. The R179s aren't going away, because there is no plan B, and there is no money for a plan B that is going to take years to happen anyways. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4P3607 Posted March 13, 2021 Share #10058 Posted March 13, 2021 Not sure if this was mentioned but the set that pulled apart (3288-3292) has been back in service as of a few weeks ago. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted March 15, 2021 Share #10059 Posted March 15, 2021 On 3/13/2021 at 4:40 PM, 4P3607 said: Not sure if this was mentioned but the set that pulled apart (3288-3292) has been back in service as of a few weeks ago. Wasn't that the first set to return to service? If not, then that means we've been running with reduced service somewhere... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted March 18, 2021 Share #10060 Posted March 18, 2021 On 3/15/2021 at 4:19 PM, Lawrence St said: Wasn't that the first set to return to service? If not, then that means we've been running with reduced service somewhere... Not really. It was still at Coney Island Yard at some point when the is slowly putting R179s back on the rails, in numbers of 2-4. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted April 25, 2021 Share #10061 Posted April 25, 2021 They’ve finally got around to updating the R179’s automated system. Now we have readings such as “JFK AIRTRAIN” and the announcements that play “this is an accessible station” ...it’s about time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted April 25, 2021 Share #10062 Posted April 25, 2021 (edited) @Trainmaster5 I had a question about operations, but I'm not sure if you've operated a train in CBTC territory or know the rules regarding it. If a train overshoots a platform while on CBTC active mode, does the operator get penalized even though they're not controlling the train? EDIT: My apologies I thought this was the random thoughts thread. Edited April 25, 2021 by Lawrence St 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted April 25, 2021 Share #10063 Posted April 25, 2021 12 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: @Trainmaster5 I had a question about operations, but I'm not sure if you've operated a train in CBTC territory or know the rules regarding it. If a train overshoots a platform while on CBTC active mode, does the operator get penalized even though they're not controlling the train? CBTC is a foreign concept to us prehistoric IRT folks. I'm sure that there's someone on the forums that can answer that question for you. Carry on 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted April 25, 2021 Share #10064 Posted April 25, 2021 8 hours ago, VIP said: They’ve finally got around to updating the R179’s automated system. Now we have readings such as “JFK AIRTRAIN” and the announcements that play “this is an accessible station” ...it’s about time. I wonder if they have that mask annoucement on top of that or that it's a Rosie Perez motto on the R142s and trains. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted April 26, 2021 Share #10065 Posted April 26, 2021 51 minutes ago, Calvin said: I wonder if they have that mask annoucement on top of that or that it's a Rosie Perez motto on the R142s and trains. It’s actually the same As the R160’s. I was on my classmates’ train and she showed me the (male) “Wear a mask” announcement option and the (female) “Wear a mask” announcement. So basically Whatever AAS update the R160’s got, some of the R179’s got. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulturious Posted May 20, 2021 Share #10066 Posted May 20, 2021 24 minutes ago, Jarobortiz said: A:R179 R211A/T B: R68/A C ;R179 R211A D ; R68 E:R211A/T F:R160A/B G:R211 j:R160A 1 R179 L:R143 R16A 1 M:R160A 1 N:R160A/B R211A Q:R211A/T R:R160A/B FS:R68 RS:R211 Z:R160A 1 R179 Excuse me sir, but could you stop reposting the same message in different threads? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted June 8, 2021 Share #10067 Posted June 8, 2021 Does anyone remember how many times 3010-3014 were shipped back and forth between and Bombardier? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted July 30, 2021 Share #10068 Posted July 30, 2021 Anyone noticed Less R179’s on the recently… 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted July 31, 2021 Share #10069 Posted July 31, 2021 31 minutes ago, VIP said: Anyone noticed Less R179’s on the recently… From what I heard Some are being worked on. 2 sets are or were at CI main shop. Probably them installing CBTC kits or other work. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulturious Posted July 31, 2021 Share #10070 Posted July 31, 2021 21 minutes ago, R32 3838 said: From what I heard Some are being worked on. 2 sets are or were at CI main shop. Probably them installing CBTC kits or other work. 3052 has a coupler. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted August 1, 2021 Share #10071 Posted August 1, 2021 (edited) On 7/30/2021 at 8:37 PM, Vulturious said: 3052 has a coupler. I heard it's temporary but who knows. has been doing weird stuff lately. Wouldn't surprise me if they use existing B cars and turn them into 10 car units. But they are going to install CBTC kits on these cars soon. Edited August 1, 2021 by R32 3838 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted November 6, 2021 Share #10072 Posted November 6, 2021 R179's are starting to have CBTC kits installed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from Maspeth Posted November 6, 2021 Share #10073 Posted November 6, 2021 3 hours ago, R32 3838 said: R179's are starting to have CBTC kits installed. Canarsie Line "compliant" or Queens Blvd. IND "compliant"? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted November 6, 2021 Share #10074 Posted November 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Bill from Maspeth said: Canarsie Line "compliant" or Queens Blvd. IND "compliant"? Likely Main-Line Compliant (everything except Canarsie) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted November 6, 2021 Share #10075 Posted November 6, 2021 Can someone explain something to me; why did the R142A's have to get sent to Kawasaki to have CBTC kits installed, but for the 160's and 179's they were done in house? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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