Threxx Posted October 28, 2012 Share #1026 Posted October 28, 2012 Next-Generation design could be the internal name for the current design, we don't know... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted October 28, 2012 Share #1027 Posted October 28, 2012 I'd have to guess that they would assign the 40 cars in 300 foot sets to the A, as they could share yards with those assigned to the C. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted October 28, 2012 Share #1028 Posted October 28, 2012 So that's pretty much 32 full 8-car consists with one 4-car set left over, and 4 full 10-car consits ...something ain't right here If it's in response to the extra 4-car set, that could be an extra. If it's to the amount per type, well it's looking like it will be primarily for the C. That last part was initially confusing to me too, but it is what it is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted October 28, 2012 Share #1029 Posted October 28, 2012 I'd have to guess that they would assign the 40 cars in 300 foot sets to the A, as they could share yards with those assigned to the C. If that's the case, I'm speculating they will be used for : Rock Pk Service(shuttle and /or expresses) Lefferts shuttle or extra rush hour trains. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted October 28, 2012 Share #1030 Posted October 28, 2012 (edited) R160A-1s from the could end up on the and the R179s could go to East New York for those two skip-stop lines and for more service. Who knows...the is already put whatever they see fit them. Anyways, I'm just glad that we have two more years left with the R32s. I do however look forward to see these new trains though. Edited October 28, 2012 by RollOverMyHead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted October 28, 2012 Share #1031 Posted October 28, 2012 If both the and gets R179s, then I kinda doubt they will swap some of ENY's R160s just so all the 4-car R179s are together, imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted October 28, 2012 Share #1032 Posted October 28, 2012 I doubt the is getting those, then. They're not interchangeable, so having them at the same yard won't accomplish anything. (Unles they're planning putting them together as 9 car trains somewhere). As I said, those are most likely to fill in on the , so the additional 46's would be sent to the . I'm hoping the would share its 179's with those shuttles. They probably don't need 300ft, so 240 will do just fine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted October 28, 2012 Share #1033 Posted October 28, 2012 (edited) I doubt the is getting those, then. They're not interchangeable, so having them at the same yard won't accomplish anything. (Unles they're planning putting them together as 9 car trains somewhere). As I said, those are most likely to fill in on the , so the additional 46's would be sent to the . I'm hoping the would share its 179's with those shuttles. They probably don't need 300ft, so 240 will do just fine. You mean you think that those 40 R179s in sets of five are most likely gonna go to Jamaica and run on the line...? Car assignments wouldn't even call for that...It's suppose to be balance. So I think that 20 out of the 40 R179s in sets of five will run on the line which will send 16 R46s from Pitkin back to Jamaica and run on the instead. And remember, the rest of the R179s are in sets of four. Even if the can't borrow any cars from the again, the will most likely balance the R179 fleet, then to send only a small amount of them to another shop that would serve no benefit whatsoever.... Edited October 28, 2012 by RollOverMyHead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted October 28, 2012 Share #1034 Posted October 28, 2012 (edited) More over, I don't see any other place to put them other than 207th and East New York but that's only if they shift the assignments just right. These trains are to replace the 240 R32s and 50 or 60 R42s in TA property. So until the R179s are place into service, I'm just going to enjoy the R32s on the line since we have 2 and a half more years left with them before their retirement starts. But I'll still be ready for the "unexpected", if ever....... Edited October 28, 2012 by RollOverMyHead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted October 28, 2012 Share #1035 Posted October 28, 2012 (edited) A handful of cars on the won't create any real balance (just them being on the , which runs with the will balance it out someqhat, compared to now, where the entire uptown IND han no NTT's at all). But they obviously want the Queens expresses to be entirely NTT; the got 46's back for lack of 160's when that car shift occurred, and this order would be just enough to fill it out. Anywhere they go, they will be oddballs among some other fleet (including thei four-car brethren). Unless they put them on the , which would be another good idea. As for the shuttles; again, I don't see why they would need 5 car units over 4 car units. Edited October 28, 2012 by Eric B 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted October 28, 2012 Share #1036 Posted October 28, 2012 I doubt the is getting those, then. They're not interchangeable, so having them at the same yard won't accomplish anything. (Unles they're planning putting them together as 9 car trains somewhere). As I said, those are most likely to fill in on the , so the additional 46's would be sent to the . I'm hoping the would share its 179's with those shuttles. They probably don't need 300ft, so 240 will do just fine. Well, that's also possible. Though it would be a little odd to see the with newer trains and the still having the oldest fleet in the system. As for the R179, I was thinking more about the parts as opposed to running a 9-car train. I guess that's true about the not needing a full 300' train, but I don't see the need to keep the newest trains out there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted October 28, 2012 Share #1037 Posted October 28, 2012 Splitting the R179 between two shops wouldn't make any sense if it wasn't necessary. I can't imagine they'll split them between three. I am sure the rest of the F will become NTT. It will have to with CBTC contracts being awarded next year(Unless we see R68s being equipped with CBTC, which I rather doubt). However the R179 order will be far too small for that, as the entirety of the R would also have to be converted to CBTC as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quill Depot Posted October 28, 2012 Share #1038 Posted October 28, 2012 The doesn't have many R46's anyway, there not a huge problem. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B17EastNewYorkDepot Posted October 28, 2012 Share #1039 Posted October 28, 2012 im curious about the 50 r42 on the , isnt the 4 car sets as well.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted October 28, 2012 Share #1040 Posted October 28, 2012 Those R42's are married pairs, not sets... the is also four car sets. (The R160's) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted October 28, 2012 Share #1041 Posted October 28, 2012 The R211s will replace the R46s. So the will be 100% NTTs since the IND Queens Boulevard Line will get the Communication-based train control system after the IRT Flushing Line. Remember, the 3 out of the 45 trains that run on the are R46s. Makes sense? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted October 28, 2012 Share #1042 Posted October 28, 2012 Splitting the R179 between two shops wouldn't make any sense if it wasn't necessary. I can't imagine they'll split them between three. I am sure the rest of the F will become NTT. It will have to with CBTC contracts being awarded next year(Unless we see R68s being equipped with CBTC, which I rather doubt). However the R179 order will be far too small for that, as the entirety of the R would also have to be converted to CBTC as well. Well obviously ENY isn't going to ship out a few R160s just to take all the 8 car R179s. Of course it's speculation about making JYD mostly NTT, but what's to stop them from taking the 10 car trains and bumping off a few R46s? Ftr, I don't care where the R179s go. Either place won't make a difference to me as a rider. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted October 29, 2012 Share #1043 Posted October 29, 2012 Well, that's also possible. Though it would be a little odd to see the with newer trains and the still having the oldest fleet in the system. Well, that's what's going to happen anyway, if these cars are being made such that most of them are for the . Of that handful of 5 car units did go to the , it still wouldn't be enough to change that image of the being mostly old equipment.(Yes, it's a total reversal of the being the "showcase line" getting the newest equipment). As for the R179, I was thinking more about the parts as opposed to running a 9-car train. I guess that's true about the not needing a full 300' train, but I don't see the need to keep the newest trains out there. NTT's are good for the OPTO That's also why the should get them too.(especially with the enabler setup! On the NTT's with their originally built in enablers, it's automatically disabled when in OPTO service. For the older car retrofits, it's not). Splitting the R179 between two shops wouldn't make any sense if it wasn't necessary. I can't imagine they'll split them between three. The 179's will probably be close enough to the 160's for it not to matter. They're primarily to fill in for the 160's, to enable the retirement of the 32's and 42's. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted October 29, 2012 Share #1044 Posted October 29, 2012 The was already converted to a normal line instead of a showcase line when the R160s were banned from the . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted October 29, 2012 Author Share #1045 Posted October 29, 2012 R179 Update: Total delivery expected 1/30/17 65 4 car sets 8 5 car sets 1st pilot test train scheduled for delivery 12/22/14 1st production train set scheduled for delivery 7/27/15 MTA CPOC 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted October 29, 2012 Share #1046 Posted October 29, 2012 R179 Update: Total delivery expected 1/30/17 65 4 car sets 8 5 car sets 1st pilot test train scheduled for delivery 12/22/14 1st production train set scheduled for delivery 7/27/15 MTA CPOC So, I guess the R-42s will be here for at least one more year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted October 30, 2012 Share #1047 Posted October 30, 2012 I wouldn't be sure. The R32 spare factor is high enough that you could take 50 cars and send them to ENY and still reliably make service on the C. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted October 30, 2012 Share #1048 Posted October 30, 2012 I wouldn't be sure. The R32 spare factor is high enough that you could take 50 cars and send them to ENY and still reliably make service on the C. By reacting the 8 sets at ENY and the 10 in work service. Send 48 (not 50) for the . 144 for the with 48 as spares and 40 for the with 8 as spares.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted November 2, 2012 Share #1049 Posted November 2, 2012 so will finally get an upgrade? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted November 2, 2012 Share #1050 Posted November 2, 2012 so will finally get an upgrade? I don't know since there's only 40 R179s in sets of five while the rest are in sets of four... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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