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I did say "Any numbers not covered up to R142 are taken by work cars". After R146 MANY numbers are not taken by anything. Not even equipment. And that wouldn't be a secret code. That would be, "Let's group up each Generation"

The problem with your supposition here is that it is based on an entirely wrong idea. There are no contract numbers which are not taken up by anything. Everything up to R2XX(probably somewhere in the 220s or 230s by now) refers to a certain contract. It may not be for passenger cars, it may not even be for work cars, it may be for car renovations, for design, or even for shop modifications. It may not have ever been built. It may have been renumbered. Regardless of what has actually been completed or what it was for, each number up to the most recent one stands for something which the MTA has at least at some point in time intended to pay a substantial amount of money for. 

 

The only way it has to do with "generations" is that similar aged equipment will generally be funded with relatively minimal time between them. 

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I did say "Any numbers not covered up to R142 are taken by work cars". After R146 MANY numbers are not taken by anything. Not even equipment. And that wouldn't be a secret code. That would be, "Let's group up each Generation"

 

That's just plain false. There is no grouping system.

 

Actually IIRC, CBTC is already installed on half, if not more of QBL, and the expected completion date is in 2017. Not to mention, the R211's won't be coming until past 2020, and the odds are, this project will be completed by then. 

 

You mean the QBL CBTC job that's scheduled for a late 2014 award?

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<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="LTA1992" data-cid="636303" data-time="1358982715"><p>

I did say "Any numbers not covered up to R142 are taken by work cars". After R146 MANY numbers are not taken by anything. Not even equipment. And that wouldn't be a secret code. That would be, "Let's group up each Generation"</p></blockquote>

 

 

Lets see...

 

R148...simething for the switches

R149...overhaul program for some crane cars

R153...those RDxxx yellow cars

R155...overhaul some cranes from both the R102 and R113 contracts

R156...first batch of those new diesel-electric locomotives

R157...new flatbed cars

R159...overhaul program for some hose and reach cars

R160...revenue cars (duh)

R161...more RDxxx yellow cars

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The problem with your supposition here is that it is based on an entirely wrong idea. There are no contract numbers which are not taken up by anything. Everything up to R2XX(probably somewhere in the 220s or 230s by now) refers to a certain contract. It may not be for passenger cars, it may not even be for work cars, it may be for car renovations, for design, or even for shop modifications. It may not have ever been built. It may have been renumbered. Regardless of what has actually been completed or what it was for, each number up to the most recent one stands for something which the MTA has at least at some point in time intended to pay a substantial amount of money for. 

 

The only way it has to do with "gnerations" is that similar aged equipment will generally be funded with relatively minimal time between them. 

Really? R147, R150-R152,  R154, R158, R163, R165-168, R171, R173, R176, R178, R180, R183-187 are all empty. The only numbers that will can be filled after 188 will be 189-210. You know, since things happen sequentially. And what do you mean by minimal time between eachother defines generations? The time between R179 and 211 should be similar to the time between R179 and 160 and 143. An average of 3-5 years in between each other, and a relatively short time. Going by what you said, it's what comes for the R142 and 143 replacements that would be the "next generation".

 

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="LTA1992" data-cid="636303" data-time="1358982715"><p>

I did say "Any numbers not covered up to R142 are taken by work cars". After R146 MANY numbers are not taken by anything. Not even equipment. And that wouldn't be a secret code. That would be, "Let's group up each Generation"</p></blockquote>

 

 

Lets see...

 

R148...simething for the switches

R149...overhaul program for some crane cars

R153...those RDxxx yellow cars

R155...overhaul some cranes from both the R102 and R113 contracts

R156...first batch of those new diesel-electric locomotives

R157...new flatbed cars

R159...overhaul program for some hose and reach cars

R160...revenue cars (duh)

R161...more RDxxx yellow cars

R162-12 Crane cars

R164 funded the options for the R142/A

R169-2 AC Dynometers

R170-3 Overhead cranes

R172-2 Ballast Regulators

R174-Identical to R156

R175-Replacement Shop equipment

R177-Third Vacuum Train

R179 cars

R181-207 Yard Overhaul shop cranes ans equipment

R182 AC/DC Tracton Motor Dynometers

R188 cars

R211 cars.

 

That's just plain false. There is no grouping system.

I never said there was. I said that might be where they are going with it. And don't say that's not possible, because it is.

 

It's just a thought, why so serious?

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They are empty on the list you are looking at.

 

They are not empty in the sense that there is equipment that was purchased with money under said contracts. The R211 was numbered R211 because the last thing which required an R number was numbered R210. The R210 was numbered R210 because the prior order was R209. I believe the reason why R numbers increase faster is that everything above a certain amount is required to go through the bidding process. As inflation occurs, more contracts are above that threshold.

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In fact, numbers are often changed after construction- Most R40s were even renumbered after delivery. 

This is true. As well as the 44/46s after GOH. 

 

Well, if the order is in two car sets........began on an even number.........and had an even number of sets........than of course most of the numbers would be even. And by most, I mean half.

Same for 4-car sets too. two even, two odd. Usually, if im not mistaken, Cab cars are even and trailers are odd. 

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You mean b division right?

BALLS

You're right. And it's too late to edit the post now.

 

Still think it should've been the other way around with mostly 5-car units (so they could use them anywhere on the A division and not just the (C) ) and some 4-car units for the (J) / (Z) to retire the R42s.

^DUMBASS, it's B division. A is the IRT.

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Wow, didn't know they started the mockup already! Wonder when they will deliver it and where they'll show it!

 

Well it's stated in the R188 thread according to scans of slides on the new NTT updates that there are no budget constraints on the R179's so it's base order delivery, testing and projected completion of the order in 2017 should (hopefully) proceed according to schedule. 

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Still think it should've been the other way around with mostly 5-car units (so they could use them anywhere on the A division and not just the (C) ) and some 4-car units for the (J) / (Z) to retire the R42s.

I agree not just because of that, but I think the (C) really should be full length. This current order likely shows otherwise.

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