Art Vandelay Posted January 24, 2013 Share #1201 Posted January 24, 2013 I did say "Any numbers not covered up to R142 are taken by work cars". After R146 MANY numbers are not taken by anything. Not even equipment. And that wouldn't be a secret code. That would be, "Let's group up each Generation" The problem with your supposition here is that it is based on an entirely wrong idea. There are no contract numbers which are not taken up by anything. Everything up to R2XX(probably somewhere in the 220s or 230s by now) refers to a certain contract. It may not be for passenger cars, it may not even be for work cars, it may be for car renovations, for design, or even for shop modifications. It may not have ever been built. It may have been renumbered. Regardless of what has actually been completed or what it was for, each number up to the most recent one stands for something which the MTA has at least at some point in time intended to pay a substantial amount of money for. The only way it has to do with "generations" is that similar aged equipment will generally be funded with relatively minimal time between them. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted January 24, 2013 Share #1202 Posted January 24, 2013 CBTC is not installed anywhere outside of the Canarsie line (BMT Q). Some work has been done on the Corona line (IRT C) too. Not Queens (IND D) yet, although it will be next outside of the Culver test track (IND B). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewJC Posted January 24, 2013 Share #1203 Posted January 24, 2013 I did say "Any numbers not covered up to R142 are taken by work cars". After R146 MANY numbers are not taken by anything. Not even equipment. And that wouldn't be a secret code. That would be, "Let's group up each Generation" That's just plain false. There is no grouping system. Actually IIRC, CBTC is already installed on half, if not more of QBL, and the expected completion date is in 2017. Not to mention, the R211's won't be coming until past 2020, and the odds are, this project will be completed by then. You mean the QBL CBTC job that's scheduled for a late 2014 award? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDTA Posted January 24, 2013 Share #1204 Posted January 24, 2013 That's just plain false. There is no grouping system. You mean the QBL CBTC job that's scheduled for a late 2014 award? Aha, that's probably why that year sounds familiar. Thanks for clearing that up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted January 25, 2013 Share #1205 Posted January 25, 2013 <blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="LTA1992" data-cid="636303" data-time="1358982715"><p> I did say "Any numbers not covered up to R142 are taken by work cars". After R146 MANY numbers are not taken by anything. Not even equipment. And that wouldn't be a secret code. That would be, "Let's group up each Generation"</p></blockquote> Lets see... R148...simething for the switches R149...overhaul program for some crane cars R153...those RDxxx yellow cars R155...overhaul some cranes from both the R102 and R113 contracts R156...first batch of those new diesel-electric locomotives R157...new flatbed cars R159...overhaul program for some hose and reach cars R160...revenue cars (duh) R161...more RDxxx yellow cars 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted January 25, 2013 Share #1206 Posted January 25, 2013 (edited) The problem with your supposition here is that it is based on an entirely wrong idea. There are no contract numbers which are not taken up by anything. Everything up to R2XX(probably somewhere in the 220s or 230s by now) refers to a certain contract. It may not be for passenger cars, it may not even be for work cars, it may be for car renovations, for design, or even for shop modifications. It may not have ever been built. It may have been renumbered. Regardless of what has actually been completed or what it was for, each number up to the most recent one stands for something which the MTA has at least at some point in time intended to pay a substantial amount of money for. The only way it has to do with "gnerations" is that similar aged equipment will generally be funded with relatively minimal time between them. Really? R147, R150-R152, R154, R158, R163, R165-168, R171, R173, R176, R178, R180, R183-187 are all empty. The only numbers that will can be filled after 188 will be 189-210. You know, since things happen sequentially. And what do you mean by minimal time between eachother defines generations? The time between R179 and 211 should be similar to the time between R179 and 160 and 143. An average of 3-5 years in between each other, and a relatively short time. Going by what you said, it's what comes for the R142 and 143 replacements that would be the "next generation". <blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="LTA1992" data-cid="636303" data-time="1358982715"><p>I did say "Any numbers not covered up to R142 are taken by work cars". After R146 MANY numbers are not taken by anything. Not even equipment. And that wouldn't be a secret code. That would be, "Let's group up each Generation"</p></blockquote> Lets see... R148...simething for the switches R149...overhaul program for some crane cars R153...those RDxxx yellow cars R155...overhaul some cranes from both the R102 and R113 contracts R156...first batch of those new diesel-electric locomotives R157...new flatbed cars R159...overhaul program for some hose and reach cars R160...revenue cars (duh) R161...more RDxxx yellow cars R162-12 Crane cars R164 funded the options for the R142/A R169-2 AC Dynometers R170-3 Overhead cranes R172-2 Ballast Regulators R174-Identical to R156 R175-Replacement Shop equipment R177-Third Vacuum Train R179 cars R181-207 Yard Overhaul shop cranes ans equipment R182 AC/DC Tracton Motor Dynometers R188 cars R211 cars. That's just plain false. There is no grouping system. I never said there was. I said that might be where they are going with it. And don't say that's not possible, because it is. It's just a thought, why so serious? Edited January 25, 2013 by LTA1992 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted January 25, 2013 Share #1207 Posted January 25, 2013 They are empty on the list you are looking at. They are not empty in the sense that there is equipment that was purchased with money under said contracts. The R211 was numbered R211 because the last thing which required an R number was numbered R210. The R210 was numbered R210 because the prior order was R209. I believe the reason why R numbers increase faster is that everything above a certain amount is required to go through the bidding process. As inflation occurs, more contracts are above that threshold. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted January 25, 2013 Share #1208 Posted January 25, 2013 Plus with the cars being more reliable or needed to run longer or it is a bulk order (r160), there's no need to order so many train types compared to the past (r26-38, etc) and the contract orders are spaced out. At least that's what I think it is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depotofrelax Posted February 6, 2013 Share #1209 Posted February 6, 2013 So starting next year R179 will be built that in 2014.... Still wondering what # car number have chosen for R179 of 300 cars.. To let Bombardier built R179 next year? At least car number # have to be told.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted February 10, 2013 Share #1210 Posted February 10, 2013 So starting next year R179 will be built that in 2014.... Still wondering what # car number have chosen for R179 of 300 cars.. To let Bombardier built R179 next year? At least car number # have to be told.. Car numbers dont have to be chosen until they are ready for delivery. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted February 11, 2013 Share #1211 Posted February 11, 2013 In fact, numbers are often changed after construction- Most R40s were even renumbered after delivery. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted February 11, 2013 Share #1212 Posted February 11, 2013 (edited) Well, if the order is in two car sets........began on an even number.........and had an even number of sets........than of course most of the numbers would be even. And by most, I mean half. Edited February 11, 2013 by LTA1992 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted February 12, 2013 Share #1213 Posted February 12, 2013 In fact, numbers are often changed after construction- Most R40s were even renumbered after delivery. This is true. As well as the 44/46s after GOH. Well, if the order is in two car sets........began on an even number.........and had an even number of sets........than of course most of the numbers would be even. And by most, I mean half. Same for 4-car sets too. two even, two odd. Usually, if im not mistaken, Cab cars are even and trailers are odd. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted April 22, 2013 Share #1214 Posted April 22, 2013 What differences will there be between the R160s and the R179s? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted April 23, 2013 Share #1215 Posted April 23, 2013 The 179 is supposed to have MITRAC propulsion, be wired for CCTV cameras (Cameras can be installed at a later time), a slightly different front. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted July 20, 2013 Share #1216 Posted July 20, 2013 Here is an update for the R179s. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted July 20, 2013 Share #1217 Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) That thing looks weird Edited July 20, 2013 by R32 3838 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted July 21, 2013 Share #1218 Posted July 21, 2013 (edited) It's a Mock Up, not the actual thing. And to add, the mock up isn't even finished as of these photos. Edited July 21, 2013 by LTA1992 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtattrain Posted July 21, 2013 Share #1219 Posted July 21, 2013 Wow, didn't know they started the mockup already! Wonder when they will deliver it and where they'll show it! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culver Posted July 21, 2013 Share #1220 Posted July 21, 2013 Still think it should've been the other way around with mostly 5-car units (so they could use them anywhere on the A division and not just the ) and some 4-car units for the / to retire the R42s. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScreechyFlange Posted July 21, 2013 Share #1221 Posted July 21, 2013 Still think it should've been the other way around with mostly 5-car units (so they could use them anywhere on the A division and not just the ) and some 4-car units for the / to retire the R42s. You mean b division right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culver Posted July 21, 2013 Share #1222 Posted July 21, 2013 (edited) You mean b division right? BALLS You're right. And it's too late to edit the post now. Still think it should've been the other way around with mostly 5-car units (so they could use them anywhere on the A division and not just the ) and some 4-car units for the / to retire the R42s. ^DUMBASS, it's B division. A is the IRT. Edited July 21, 2013 by Culver 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScreechyFlange Posted July 21, 2013 Share #1223 Posted July 21, 2013 BALLS You're right. And it's too late to edit the post now. ^DUMBASS, it's B division. A is the IRT. Lmao OK... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted July 21, 2013 Share #1224 Posted July 21, 2013 Wow, didn't know they started the mockup already! Wonder when they will deliver it and where they'll show it! Well it's stated in the R188 thread according to scans of slides on the new NTT updates that there are no budget constraints on the R179's so it's base order delivery, testing and projected completion of the order in 2017 should (hopefully) proceed according to schedule. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrylbaniaga38 Posted July 21, 2013 Share #1225 Posted July 21, 2013 Still think it should've been the other way around with mostly 5-car units (so they could use them anywhere on the A division and not just the ) and some 4-car units for the / to retire the R42s. I agree not just because of that, but I think the really should be full length. This current order likely shows otherwise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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