Lance Posted November 25, 2014 Share #1651 Posted November 25, 2014 The problem isn't the 160s. Those are fine. The problem lies with the rapid deterioration of the 44s. Had those cars not fallen apart like they did, we wouldn't have this problem. As for whether the MTA had any more available options for the 160 order, the 179 order is basically the third order of 160s, just under a different contract number. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1995 Orion V CNG Posted November 25, 2014 Share #1652 Posted November 25, 2014 The problem isn't the 160s. Those are fine. The problem lies with the rapid deterioration of the 44s. Had those cars not fallen apart like they did, we wouldn't have this problem. As for whether the MTA had any more available options for the 160 order, the 179 order is basically the third order of 160s, just under a different contract number. Oh kinda like the R-143s? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparen of Iria Posted November 26, 2014 Share #1653 Posted November 26, 2014 Oh kinda like the R-143s? The R143s are sort of unique, in my opinion. They were the first NTTs to have actual usage on the B Division, and they have those LED advertisements. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1995 Orion V CNG Posted November 26, 2014 Share #1654 Posted November 26, 2014 The MTA should of had more options. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted November 26, 2014 Share #1655 Posted November 26, 2014 The MTA should of had more options. I think the has more options that are unnamed at the moment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1995 Orion V CNG Posted November 26, 2014 Share #1656 Posted November 26, 2014 I think the has more options that are unnamed at the moment. Don't they expire after a certain amount of time? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted November 26, 2014 Share #1657 Posted November 26, 2014 Don't they expire after a certain amount of time? I think they are fleet growth cars, and knowing the , they could cancel them anytime. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1995 Orion V CNG Posted November 26, 2014 Share #1658 Posted November 26, 2014 I think they are fleet growth cars, and knowing the , they could cancel them anytime. When is the test R-179 set getting here? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted November 26, 2014 Share #1659 Posted November 26, 2014 When is the test R-179 set getting here? Not for a LONG time..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1995 Orion V CNG Posted November 26, 2014 Share #1660 Posted November 26, 2014 (edited) Not for a LONG time..... This is so ridiculous. Weren't they talking about this fleet since at least 2007? How is it that the R-188s are being built before the R-179s? Edited November 26, 2014 by 1995 Orion V CNG 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted November 26, 2014 Share #1661 Posted November 26, 2014 This is so ridiculous. Weren't they talking about this fleet since at least 2007? How is it that the R-188s are being built before the R-179s? Most of the R188s are actually converted R142As that are taken from the and put on the . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted November 27, 2014 Share #1662 Posted November 27, 2014 This is so ridiculous. Weren't they talking about this fleet since at least 2007? How is it that the R-188s are being built before the R-179s? The 188 order is coming before the 179 is because it's a simpler order. Most of the order calls for converting older cars already built. The numerous delays in the 179 car order stemmed from lack of funds. That's why the order switched from 290 cars (250 five-car sets, 40 four-car sets) with options for 50 and 80 cars each to what it is now, 300 cars (260 four-car sets, 40 five-car sets). Not for a LONG time..... The test train should be on site sometime next year. Like I said before, consider the 179s the third option order for the 160s, just under a different R number. It really makes no difference as they will be similar cars to the 160s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1995 Orion V CNG Posted November 27, 2014 Share #1663 Posted November 27, 2014 (edited) The 188 order is coming before the 179 is because it's a simpler order. Most of the order calls for converting older cars already built. The numerous delays in the 179 car order stemmed from lack of funds. That's why the order switched from 290 cars (250 five-car sets, 40 four-car sets) with options for 50 and 80 cars each to what it is now, 300 cars (260 four-car sets, 40 five-car sets). The test train should be on site sometime next year. Like I said before, consider the 179s the third option order for the 160s, just under a different R number. It really makes no difference as they will be similar cars to the 160s. If they were similar, the MTA should of just excised the option back in 2010-2011 as R160Cs or something. What, they ran out of funds or something? Edited November 27, 2014 by 1995 Orion V CNG 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted November 28, 2014 Share #1664 Posted November 28, 2014 (edited) Probably because they did not anticipate the earlier retirement of the R44s. Edited November 28, 2014 by Grand Concourse 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1995 Orion V CNG Posted November 28, 2014 Share #1665 Posted November 28, 2014 Probably because they did not anticipate the earlier retirement of the R44s. It's funny that the MTA has a reserve bus fleet, but not for trains. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted November 28, 2014 Share #1666 Posted November 28, 2014 Apples and oranges. The buses they have don't have the carbody issues the R44s have. They can't run the R44s and had to pull all of them from service. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1995 Orion V CNG Posted November 28, 2014 Share #1667 Posted November 28, 2014 Apples and oranges. The buses they have don't have the carbody issues the R44s have. They can't run the R44s and had to pull all of them from service. Yes, I under stand that, but they could of kept some GE rebuilt R32s like somebody else had said on here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8Hou Posted November 29, 2014 Share #1668 Posted November 29, 2014 Yes, I under stand that, but they could of kept some GE rebuilt R32s like somebody else had said on here. Unlikely since the GE rebuild R32 were retire in 2007, they were beyond unreliable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1995 Orion V CNG Posted November 29, 2014 Share #1669 Posted November 29, 2014 Unlikely since the GE rebuild R32 were retire in 2007, they were beyond unreliable. All of them gone by '07? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8Hou Posted November 29, 2014 Share #1670 Posted November 29, 2014 All of them gone by '07? There is a website call nycsubway.org Research it there, R62CNG / 2003OrionVIICNG / jgood6195 / Chargerdoge9 / 1995 Orion V CNG. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1995 Orion V CNG Posted November 29, 2014 Share #1671 Posted November 29, 2014 (edited) There is a website call nycsubway.org Research it there, R62CNG / 2003OrionVIICNG / jgood6195 / Chargerdoge9 / 1995 Orion V CNG. You are a real prick. GOLD_12TH. Edited November 29, 2014 by 1995 Orion V CNG 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted November 29, 2014 Share #1672 Posted November 29, 2014 A few points to make here. 1. The subways do have a reserve fleet. Hundreds of cars in reserve. 2. There were never any real plans to retire the R32s around 2000. No real plans were made until the R160s were ordered. 3. There are no current options on any order able to be taken. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted December 1, 2014 Share #1673 Posted December 1, 2014 I think someone saw this page and without any context, ran with it. When that retirement plan was thrown around in '81, it wasn't expected that the trains would last much past 35 years, and given the state of the subways in the early '80s, those were probably best-case scenario ideas. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted December 1, 2014 Share #1674 Posted December 1, 2014 I think someone saw this page and without any context, ran with it. When that retirement plan was thrown around in '81, it wasn't expected that the trains would last much past 35 years, and given the state of the subways in the early '80s, those were probably best-case scenario ideas. It was terrible back then so it makes sense...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R179 8258 Posted February 12, 2015 Share #1675 Posted February 12, 2015 Does anybody know which line will the R179 (10-Car) be tested on first ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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