Lance Posted April 13, 2015 Share #1701 Posted April 13, 2015 Based on the trends on recent orders, the first cars will likely trickle in, to make sure everything is in working order, before the cars start streaming in like the 160s did. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted April 14, 2015 Share #1702 Posted April 14, 2015 They should have ordered like 15 Ten car sets rather than six, I don't see how they would have enough cars to bring the back plus service increases. The alone uses like 8 trainsets, if they ordered 15 sets CI and Jamaica would have more than enough cars, and would'nt have worry about lack of cars to increase service. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious2train Posted April 14, 2015 Share #1703 Posted April 14, 2015 (edited) They should have ordered like 15 Ten car sets rather than six, I don't see how they would have enough cars to bring the back plus service increases. The alone uses like 8 trainsets, if they ordered 15 sets CI and Jamaica would have more than enough cars, and would'nt have worry about lack of cars to increase service. FYI, the R179 order only includes four 10-car sets (40 cars), not six, so it's even less. According to JoeKorner the used 10 trainsets in in the AM most recently before it was eliminated. Right now + together use 47 trainsets (24 on the and 23 on the ) in the AM according to JoeKorner, and pre-2010 the , and together used 51 trainsets (23, 18 and 10 respectively). The will need more since it will be longer and will possibly run more frequently. The 40 new cars will basically bring usage back up to pre-2010. According to JoeKorner Coney Island already has a very low spare factor of R160s right now (47 out of the 53 trainsets used in the AM, that's only an ~11% spare factor). I'm wondering too exactly how it will all fit; I'm assuming we'll see trainsets swiped from other yards, but the MTA seems confident they can make it work based on the small size of the R179 order, so we'll see. Edited April 14, 2015 by Mysterious2train 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted April 14, 2015 Share #1704 Posted April 14, 2015 No it won't...the run to 96 St/2 Av is slightly shorter than the run to Astoria. They will also not increased its headways just for 4 stops... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R179 8258 Posted April 14, 2015 Share #1705 Posted April 14, 2015 FYI, the R179 order only includes four 10-car sets (40 cars), not six, so it's even less. According to JoeKorner the used 10 trainsets in in the AM most recently before it was eliminated. Right now + together use 47 trainsets (24 on the and 23 on the ) in the AM according to JoeKorner, and pre-2010 the , and together used 51 trainsets (23, 18 and 10 respectively). The will need more since it will be longer and will possibly run more frequently. The 40 new cars will basically bring usage back up to pre-2010. According to JoeKorner Coney Island already has a very low spare factor of R160s right now (47 out of the 53 trainsets used in the AM, that's only an ~11% spare factor). I'm wondering too exactly how it will all fit; I'm assuming we'll see trainsets swiped from other yards, but the MTA seems confident they can make it work based on the small size of the R179 order, so we'll see. Can they just use the R68 or R68A if they run out of spares ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted April 14, 2015 Share #1706 Posted April 14, 2015 Yes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R179 8258 Posted April 14, 2015 Share #1707 Posted April 14, 2015 Yes. So they really don't need R179. But there is an option for 80 cars thou 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted April 14, 2015 Share #1708 Posted April 14, 2015 The four 5-car sets of 179s are meant for fleet expansion actually. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious2train Posted April 14, 2015 Share #1709 Posted April 14, 2015 (edited) No it won't...the run to 96 St/2 Av is slightly shorter than the run to Astoria. They will also not increased its headways just for 4 stops... Right now + use 47 trainsets. Pre-2010 + + together used 51 trainsets, and remember, that was when the terminated at 57 St, so it will need more cars than that. Also, the SAS FEIS (http://web.mta.info/capital/sas_docs/feis/chapter05b.pdf, page 23) absolutely did say that service would be increased, to 14 Southbound trains per hour and 12 northbound trains per hour during the rush, but I wouldn't be surprised if the MTA ended up not running that much service. @R178 8258: The 80-car option order is gone. The R179 order as a whole is done. Edited April 14, 2015 by Mysterious2train 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted April 14, 2015 Share #1710 Posted April 14, 2015 (edited) Pre-2010, there were still older cars on those lines, so more cars were needed. That is no longer an issue. Edited April 14, 2015 by LTA1992 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious2train Posted April 14, 2015 Share #1711 Posted April 14, 2015 (edited) Pre-2010, there were still older cars on those lines, so more cars were needed. That is no longer an issue. By "older cars", are you referring to the R32/40/42? Because going by the last pre-2010 list (September 2009), the and together were already using mostly R160s with a moderate amount of R68s, and none of the retirement age cars, so I don't see why that wouldn't be an accurate representation of cars needed. Edited April 14, 2015 by Mysterious2train 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted April 14, 2015 Share #1712 Posted April 14, 2015 Which is pre-2010. But, yes, I was referring to the R68s. Even if the cars are in their midlife, the likelihood of a breakdown is still higher than that of the new cars. Plus, they are very similar mechanically to the cars that were replaced. So their age will begin to show, though not on over the hood. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted May 16, 2015 Author Share #1713 Posted May 16, 2015 New timetable for the first R179 test set coming up. It has been reported that Bombardier has got a handle of the infamous frame cracking issue and is now confident that they can adhere to a new delivery schedule. The original delivery timetable would have had the set on MTA property now. Full detail coming in the next few days. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted May 16, 2015 Share #1714 Posted May 16, 2015 (edited) I would say at the end of this year early next year Edited May 16, 2015 by R32 3838 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted May 16, 2015 Share #1715 Posted May 16, 2015 Are they going to let passengers try out the prototype car? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted May 16, 2015 Share #1716 Posted May 16, 2015 Are they going to let passengers try out the prototype car?No. The prototype was built to see what the R179s could look/function like. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted May 16, 2015 Share #1717 Posted May 16, 2015 East New York, I look forward to the news you are going to bring. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwayboy Posted May 23, 2015 Share #1718 Posted May 23, 2015 I just joined this thread, and it's quite long! I wanted to ask if anybody has access to an interior mock-up or actual photo. I'm curious to see if the FIND system will be on the R179s, and how they look compared to the R160s. This may have been answered in this thread and if so, sorry. I will start going through it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparen of Iria Posted May 23, 2015 Share #1719 Posted May 23, 2015 Since the test train has not yet arrived, none of us can say for sure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwayboy Posted May 23, 2015 Share #1720 Posted May 23, 2015 Since the test train has not yet arrived, none of us can say for sure. Thanks, but I just thought maybe one of our ranks had some "inside" info. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparen of Iria Posted May 23, 2015 Share #1721 Posted May 23, 2015 Thanks, but I just thought maybe one of our ranks had some "inside" info. Lol, sometimes we do. But although we have train operators and people who work in the train yards here, we don't necessarily have information about things that still haven't been delivered. Afaik, the R179s will be very similar to the R160s. That includes the FIND System (btw, The Washington DC Metrorail seems to like using NYC's FIND system ) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwayboy Posted May 23, 2015 Share #1722 Posted May 23, 2015 (edited) Lol, sometimes we do. But although we have train operators and people who work in the train yards here, we don't necessarily have information about things that still haven't been delivered. Afaik, the R179s will be very similar to the R160s. That includes the FIND System (btw, The Washington DC Metrorail seems to like using NYC's FIND system ) Thanks very much! And thanks for the tidbit re Metrorail. Do you know of any other subway cars using LCD screens in the US (besides the PATH)? Edited May 23, 2015 by subwayboy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3216068E Posted May 26, 2015 Share #1723 Posted May 26, 2015 (edited) I was just wondering if the R179s are going to probably be 67 footers are they going to way more than the R160s because according to some other discussions I had with people R160s are the heaviest cars in the system Edited May 26, 2015 by R3216068E 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted May 26, 2015 Share #1724 Posted May 26, 2015 I was just wondering if the R179s are going to probably be 67 footers are they going to way more than the R160s because according to some other discussions I had with people R160s are the heaviest cars in the system The 179s will be 60 footers... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gong Gahou Posted June 2, 2015 Share #1725 Posted June 2, 2015 I was just wondering if the R179s are going to probably be 67 footers are they going to way more than the R160s because according to some other discussions I had with people R160s are the heaviest cars in the system That's because they are talking about net weight, or total weight. Per car, the R160 weighs less than, say, the R68s, but as an entire 600' train the latter weighs less than the former. In fact, the 11-car trains on the Flushing Line are heavy enough that they fall in-between the two. (The train of R62As is heavier, by the way) Going with the trend seen in the current rolling stock, one 67 foot car should weigh more than one 60 foot car, but as an entire train the former would weigh less. Of course, it really depends on the weight of each car once they're built. Look at the BMT Standard: it's 67 feet long but it actually weighs more than the R68s, both as a single car and as a full-length, 9-car train. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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