VIP Posted January 26, 2016 Share #2126 Posted January 26, 2016 Those were mechanically the same thing, just a different body shell but wouldn't the R179's be mechanically compatible like the R160's A and B... Just because Bombardier is manufacturing them doesn't mean we can rule out mechanical compatibility... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrylbaniaga38 Posted January 26, 2016 Share #2127 Posted January 26, 2016 The motors would be different. The R160s use Alstom/Siemens motors. The R179s will use Bombardier motors presumably like the ones on the R142A/R143/R188. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted January 27, 2016 Share #2128 Posted January 27, 2016 The motors would be different. The R160s use Alstom/Siemens motors. The R179s will use Bombardier motors presumably like the ones on the R142A/R143/R188.Bombardier motors in our city are mainly on Kawasaki cars. Low chance imo that Bombardier will use Bombardier. There's a better chance R179s will use the Alstom and/or Siemens motors (I vote Siemens). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted January 27, 2016 Share #2129 Posted January 27, 2016 The R179s will feature Bombardier propulsion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted January 27, 2016 Share #2130 Posted January 27, 2016 The R179s will feature Bombardier propulsion.Not that I don't believe it, but is there a source I can look at to comfirm it? Or is it like an MTA source where only officials know about it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted January 27, 2016 Share #2131 Posted January 27, 2016 The initial press release of the award to BBD years ago. Also, it is normal for builders to supply their own propulsion system (if they have one) unless others are specified. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon2305 Posted January 27, 2016 Share #2132 Posted January 27, 2016 The R179s will feature Bombardier propulsion. Not that I don't believe it, but is there a source I can look at to comfirm it? Or is it like an MTA source where only officials know about it? Bombardier motors in our city are mainly on Kawasaki cars. Low chance imo that Bombardier will use Bombardier. There's a better chance R179s will use the Alstom and/or Siemens motors (I vote Siemens). Anything but Alstom and I say that with passion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted January 27, 2016 Share #2133 Posted January 27, 2016 but wouldn't the R179's be mechanically compatible like the R160's A and B... Just because Bombardier is manufacturing them doesn't mean we can rule out mechanical compatibility... Depends. The R143 & R160 can couple, but aren't compatible, so it may apply to the R179 as well 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted January 27, 2016 Share #2134 Posted January 27, 2016 Bombardier motors in our city are mainly on Kawasaki cars. Low chance imo that Bombardier will use Bombardier. There's a better chance R179s will use the Alstom and/or Siemens motors (I vote Siemens). I would love for them to be Siemens but when the contract was announced it said the R179 would use the Bombardier MITRAC 1508C, which I love how it sounds. Ride a R143 and you'll hear the sound the R179 will most likely have. Or they throw us a curve ball and use a different MITRAC propulsion like this: 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted January 27, 2016 Share #2135 Posted January 27, 2016 The initial press release of the award to BBD years ago. Also, it is normal for builders to supply their own propulsion system (if they have one) unless others are specified. I would love for them to be Siemens but when the contract was announced it said the R179 would use the Bombardier MITRAC 1508C, which I love how it sounds. Ride a R143 and you'll hear the sound the R179 will most likely have. Or they throw us a curve ball and use a different MITRAC propulsion like this: It's wierd to see Bombardier use their own propulsion system in NYC. Not used to it being on any car besides the Kawasaki ones in NYC. But thanks for the clarification you two. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted January 27, 2016 Share #2136 Posted January 27, 2016 It's wierd to see Bombardier use their own propulsion system in NYC. Not used to it being on any car besides the Kawasaki ones in NYC. But thanks for the clarification you two. Just to add on, that London Underground train was built by Bombardier UK, so there is precedent within the company to use their own propulsion systems. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted January 28, 2016 Share #2137 Posted January 28, 2016 I like the propulsion system found on the R142A's, R143 and R188's. The Alstom ones just get tiresome after a while. If ENY is getting some R179's that means that they will also be able to run on the . I wonder what's the reason for the R143's not showing up on the even though they used to run on it a few years back on the weekends. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted January 28, 2016 Share #2138 Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) I like the propulsion system found on the R142A's, R143 and R188's. The Alstom ones just get tiresome after a while. If ENY is getting some R179's that means that they will also be able to run on the . I wonder what's the reason for the R143's not showing up on the even though they used to run on it a few years back on the weekends. They probably don't want the 143s getting laid up under Hillside Ave or Jamaica Yard, with the 143s on the there always close by to the . IIRC the CBTC 160s don't run on the regularly either. Edited January 28, 2016 by trainfan22 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted January 28, 2016 Share #2139 Posted January 28, 2016 They probably don't want the 143s getting laid up under Hillside Ave or Jamaica Yard, with the 143s on the there always close by to the . IIRC the CBTC 160s don't run on the regularly either. Jamaica might as well maintain those R160's as well because they already have R160's.Doesn't the have both Coney Island and Jamaica as it's yard? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted January 28, 2016 Share #2140 Posted January 28, 2016 Jamaica might as well maintain those R160's as well because they already have R160's. Doesn't the have both Coney Island and Jamaica as it's yard? it has some trains in Avenue X yard (part of CIY) in additio to Jamaica 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted January 28, 2016 Share #2141 Posted January 28, 2016 Why would it be weird to see a manufacturer use their own propulsion system? It makes the most sense in terms of systems integration to keep all major parts sourced to one manufacturer... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted January 28, 2016 Share #2142 Posted January 28, 2016 Why would it be weird to see a manufacturer use their own propulsion system? It makes the most sense in terms of systems integration to keep all major parts sourced to one manufacturer...I know it's perfectly normal, but since Bombardier didn't really use their own propulsion system yet in the city, it's gonna take me a while to get used to it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeayo Posted January 29, 2016 Share #2143 Posted January 29, 2016 I know it's perfectly normal, but since Bombardier didn't really use their own propulsion system yet in the city, it's gonna take me a while to get used to it. ? Bombardier propulsion is already on the R142 (Bombardier), R142a (Kawasaki), R143 (Kawasaki), and R188 (Kawasaki). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6 Lexington Ave Posted January 29, 2016 Share #2144 Posted January 29, 2016 Bombardier did not manufacture its own propulsion system when the R142s were built. The propulsion on the R142As wasn't developed by Bombardier, it was developed by ADtranz, which was later bought by Bombardier. ADtranz at the time belonged to Daimler (manufacturer of Mercedes-Benz vehicles). This is why Bombardier used Alstom motors on the R142s. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeayo Posted January 29, 2016 Share #2145 Posted January 29, 2016 (edited) Bombardier did not manufacture its own propulsion system when the R142s were built. The propulsion on the R142As wasn't developed by Bombardier, it was developed by ADtranz, which was later bought by Bombardier. ADtranz at the time belonged to Daimler (manufacturer of Mercedes-Benz vehicles). This is why Bombardier used Alstom motors on the R142s. Yea, you're right 142's used Alstom propulsion. Edited January 29, 2016 by yeayo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Flxible Posted January 29, 2016 Share #2146 Posted January 29, 2016 (edited) Screen Shot 2016-01-23 at 8.32.52 PM Screen Shot 2016-01-23 at 8.33.11 PM Looks like they've reverted to the R160 look for the front bonnet, judging from the top picture. The mockup looked like the one in the (apparently flipped) lower photo. Anyone know more about this? Edited January 29, 2016 by DJ Flxible 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted January 29, 2016 Share #2147 Posted January 29, 2016 I wonder what's the reason for the R143's not showing up on the even though they used to run on it a few years back on the weekends. The 143s were used on the on weekends for OPTO since that option was not available on the half-cab 42s. Once the 160s came into the picture, the placement of the 143s there became redundant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted January 29, 2016 Share #2148 Posted January 29, 2016 (edited) Jamaica might as well maintain those R160's as well because they already have R160's. Doesn't the have both Coney Island and Jamaica as it's yard? Regardless of what's written in black and white, I sometimes believe that they do actually maintain/inspect half of the R160 fleet at Jamaica and half of the R160 fleet at Coney Island because of the reasons you stated. As well as some other lines in general. Sometimes, I actually believe that. Joe Korner's site may say that the X line is based here and the Y line is based there or whatever, but as always, the real world may say otherwise. Edited January 29, 2016 by RollOver 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordsaitamaboss Posted January 30, 2016 Share #2149 Posted January 30, 2016 will there be enough to eliminate the R32s from the ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted January 30, 2016 Share #2150 Posted January 30, 2016 (edited) Yes, but due to the need for extra service, a good portion of R32s will stay until the R211s arrive. Edited January 30, 2016 by LTA1992 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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