RR503 Posted November 9, 2017 Share #401 Posted November 9, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Truckie said: You are taking my quote out of context. You were talking about Metro North, as was I. Now you are applying what I say about LIRR. I have no idea what LIRR needs or plans are so there is no basis for me to comment on them. All press releases about the M9 allude to a MNR option order. Yes, this is not firm, and yes, MNR (correct me if I’m wrong) seems to be focusing more on diesel fleet issues, but the MNR M3As are not getting younger. Nothing about the M3s that MNR has makes them more resilient, so unless something has changed, I think they will be replaced with this order. http://www.mta.info/news/2013/09/19/new-railcars-lirr-metro-north-fleets Edited November 9, 2017 by RR503 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truckie Posted November 9, 2017 Share #402 Posted November 9, 2017 14 minutes ago, RR503 said: .......MNR (correct me if I’m wrong) seems to be focusing more on diesel fleet issues, but the MNR M3As are not getting younger. Correct, the diesel fleet is a priority. There are locomotives sitting collecting dust because of lack of parts. At least the electrics run. The M3's are going to be getting cameras. Originally there were talks of not putting cameras in them because they won't be around that much longer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted November 9, 2017 Share #403 Posted November 9, 2017 Interesting— I had heard they were getting cams because of M9 production delays not because they weren’t gonna be replaced. Do you know if that’s the case? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAlam Posted November 9, 2017 Share #404 Posted November 9, 2017 6 hours ago, RR503 said: All press releases about the M9 allude to a MNR option order. Yes, this is not firm, and yes, MNR (correct me if I’m wrong) seems to be focusing more on diesel fleet issues, but the MNR M3As are not getting younger. Nothing about the M3s that MNR has makes them more resilient, so unless something has changed, I think they will be replaced with this order. http://www.mta.info/news/2013/09/19/new-railcars-lirr-metro-north-fleets That's from 2013, so the info may be a little out of date. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted November 9, 2017 Share #405 Posted November 9, 2017 It outlines the parameters of the order. Here's the latest update on the MNR half I could find: https://web.archive.org/web/20140801140126/http://web.mta.info/mta/news/books/pdf/140728_1200_CPOC.pdf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truckie Posted November 10, 2017 Share #406 Posted November 10, 2017 4 hours ago, RR503 said: It outlines the parameters of the order. Here's the latest update on the MNR half I could find: https://web.archive.org/web/20140801140126/http://web.mta.info/mta/news/books/pdf/140728_1200_CPOC.pdf This is over 3 years old and per that report MNR was to execute the option in December of 2016. Needless to say that did not happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted November 10, 2017 Share #407 Posted November 10, 2017 Missed that. I stand corrected then! Thank you 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesman8 Posted November 10, 2017 Share #408 Posted November 10, 2017 On 11/8/2017 at 8:51 PM, RR503 said: The difference is more like 2 million, which, broken down over the course of a year, is negligable. I can all but guarantee you MNR will get M9s -- they too have M3s to replace. The difference is not "2 million". This sourced document says otherwise http://www.apta.com/resources/statistics/Documents/Ridership/2016-q4-ridership-APTA.pdf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted November 10, 2017 Share #409 Posted November 10, 2017 That document is incorrect. APTA uses weird reporting metrics see: And http://www.mta.info/news/2017/01/23/metro-north-railroad-breaks-ridership-record 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAlam Posted November 10, 2017 Share #410 Posted November 10, 2017 The MNR has a much wider service area than the LIRR does, furthermore, it's cheaper, and has more intermediate destinations especially on the New Haven Line. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted November 10, 2017 Share #411 Posted November 10, 2017 Sorry, the link in my previous post didn't work. Try this http://www.mta.info/press-release/mta-headquarters/lirr-metro-north-railroad-break-ridership-records 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted November 12, 2017 Share #412 Posted November 12, 2017 On 11/10/2017 at 7:39 AM, IAlam said: The MNR has a much wider service area than the LIRR does, furthermore, it's cheaper, and has more intermediate destinations especially on the New Haven Line. Now that's just moving the goalposts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesman8 Posted November 19, 2017 Share #413 Posted November 19, 2017 So in other words it would now appear MNRR is not getting M9's? I have a feeling the reason they decided not to go for an MNRR order is because Cuomo wanted them "cuomoed", and I doubt Connecticut would want that on trains running in their state. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted November 19, 2017 Share #414 Posted November 19, 2017 3 hours ago, jamesman8 said: So in other words it would now appear MNRR is not getting M9's? I have a feeling the reason they decided not to go for an MNRR order is because Cuomo wanted them "cuomoed", and I doubt Connecticut would want that on trains running in their state. The M9s won't run in CT, the Hudson and Harlem lines stay in NY State. If MN got M9s they would be 3rd rail only so they wouldn't be able to run in CT anyway. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco Posted November 19, 2017 Share #415 Posted November 19, 2017 44 minutes ago, trainfan22 said: The M9s won't run in CT, the Hudson and Harlem lines stay in NY State. If MN got M9s they would be 3rd rail only so they wouldn't be able to run in CT anyway. Exactly, and the M8s aren't just different mechanically. CDOT also provided some of the funding for the cars as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted December 7, 2017 Share #416 Posted December 7, 2017 LIRR seeks M9A EMUs MTA Long Island Rail Road (LIRR) has issued an RFP (Request For Proposals) to prequalify firms for a minimum of 60 and up to 160 M9A married-pair (A Car – B Car) EMU (electric multiple-unit) railcars, structured as a base order with options. These cars are tied to the FFGA (full funding grant agreement) between the LIRR and the Federal Transit Administration (FTA) for the East Side Access (ESA) project, and as such fall under a separate procurement from the contract the New York MTA awarded to Kawasaki Rail Car in 2013 for LIRR and MTA Metro-North Railroad M9 cars. Proposals for this Phase I/Prequalification RFP process are due by Jan. 10, 2018. The M9As are intended to supplement LIRR’s EMU fleet for ESA service. Procurement of M9 cars dates back to 2012. In mid-2012, the LIRR issued a joint procurement request for itself and Metro-North for up to 676 M9 cars. In September 2013, Kawasaki Rail Car, the builder of Metro-North’s M8 railcars, was awarded a nearly $1.8 billion contract for a base order of 92 M9 cars for the LIRR, with options for 584 cars—304 to LIRR and 280 to Metro-North. The NYMTA’s 2010-2014 Capital Plan provided funding for the base order. The M9A procurement for equipment intended to provide ESA service was deferred due to delays in the opening date for ESA. The LIRR portion of the M9 order is currently structured as follows: 92 base order cars and 110 Option 1 cars. Six pilot cars have been delivered to TTCI in Pueblo, Colo., for testing, with an additional 2 cars to be delivered to Pueblo early next year. Pilot car testing at LIRR will commence in April 2018. Production cars are scheduled to be delivered starting in July 2018 at the rate of 12 cars/month. “We expect pilot car testing in Pueblo to continue through April, pilot car testing at LIRR to take place from April through June 2018, and acceptance of the 92 base order cars and 110 Option 1 cars to take place from July 2018 through November 2019,” NYMTA Deputy Communications Director Aaron Donovan told Railway Age. The M9 cars will feature many new safety, security and customer amenity items. The cars will have closed loop seat armrests, slightly wider seats, electrical outlets on both sides of a car in each row of seats, four 32-inch multimedia screens in each car, four to six additional seats per married pair, as well as a powered B-end door. The flip seats will have suspension systems so they don’t slam. To enable passengers to know which car they are occupying in the train consist, there will be a display indicating the position of each car in a 10-car trainset (for example, “Car 8 of 10”). At the front of the trainset, there will be exterior destination signs that are visible as the train approaches a station. The cars will have CCTV cameras. In addition to the safety, security and customer amenities listed above, the M9A cars will have USB ports installed in each A/C electrical outlet, as well as powered bathroom doors, and scratch resistant side windows that do not haze, fade or crystallize. http://www.railwayage.com/index.php/passenger/rapid-transit/lirr-seeks-m9a-emus.html 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAlam Posted December 9, 2017 Share #417 Posted December 9, 2017 Those additional seat concern me. Especially when it comes to terms of leg room. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTA Forum Posted December 12, 2017 Share #418 Posted December 12, 2017 On 1/30/2011 at 10:43 PM, Joel Up Front said: Metro-North already has the M3As and all the ugly CDOT cars. The LIRR has been running the last of the M3s for years, and ran the M1s to the ground until they were all gone and the M7s took their place. The last time I was one, the conductor had to open and close the doors twice each station. LIRR still has about 4 M1's left and around 146 M3's left but that's only because the first few M9 railcars hasn't been delivered to LIRR yet so they kept some of there older railcars.But the M1 and M3 will be forever missed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted January 29, 2018 Share #419 Posted January 29, 2018 So two different paint schemes with the M9's? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted January 29, 2018 Share #420 Posted January 29, 2018 On 10/20/2017 at 4:06 PM, Union Tpke said: Update: Screen Shot 2017-10-20 at 3.52.35 PM by Union Turnpike, on Flickr Yup. Here's the blue front version. The others look like LIRR M7s, but are M9s. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted January 29, 2018 Share #421 Posted January 29, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, RR503 said: Yup. Here's the blue front version. The others look like LIRR M7s, but are M9s. Gotcha! Kinda look like an M7 and M8 had a baby. Edited January 29, 2018 by RailRunRob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted January 29, 2018 Share #422 Posted January 29, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, RR503 said: Yup. Here's the blue front version. The others look like LIRR M7s, but are M9s. Repost delete. Edited January 29, 2018 by RailRunRob 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted February 22, 2018 Share #423 Posted February 22, 2018 Was lurking Railroad.net and apparently the Pliot train has made it to the U.S, and is currently testing in Pueblo Colorado, surprised no railfans got any pics or vids of the cars being transported from the West Coast to Pueblo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAlam Posted February 22, 2018 Share #424 Posted February 22, 2018 12 hours ago, trainfan22 said: Was lurking Railroad.net and apparently the Pliot train has made it to the U.S, and is currently testing in Pueblo Colorado, surprised no railfans got any pics or vids of the cars being transported from the West Coast to Pueblo. Well, Colorado isn't as dense as NY so no doubt there aren't as many railfans there. For the railfans who are there, I doubt they care about a train made for NYC. They care more about locos and old push-pull carriages. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco Posted February 22, 2018 Share #425 Posted February 22, 2018 This summer will be a good time to fan around Yonkers, when the production M9s are tentatively planned to come through there. It's real easy to get photos from the north end of the Metro-North station. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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