2Line1291 Posted October 16, 2011 Share #201 Posted October 16, 2011 86th Street via a transfer.So... how many people do you estimate that would in this order Ride the Red Line to 86th St Transfer to the slow Transfer to the at 59th St or even the at 36th St on a daily basis. Also including the waiting times during each transfer and waiting for a train. Versus a one-seat subway ride via Manhattan/Brooklyn express:eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted October 16, 2011 Share #202 Posted October 16, 2011 They already do this on the Staten Island Ferry. What difference would it make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Line1291 Posted October 19, 2011 Share #203 Posted October 19, 2011 They already do this on the Staten Island Ferry. What difference would it make?SMH... You fail to understand the difference between infeasible & feasible and short-term & long-term solutions. That's all I got to say and I respect you thought into your SI Light Rail Concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted October 19, 2011 Share #204 Posted October 19, 2011 Actually light rail is a long term solution. Staten Island has a population about the size of Portland so a light rail system like that would be able to do just as well on Staten Island. I never really would expect Staten Island to ever surpass the 1.5 million people mark due to it's huge distance from Manhattan. Commuting time to Midtown Manhattan would always take a long time from Staten Island so it wouldn't boom like crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Line1291 Posted October 19, 2011 Share #205 Posted October 19, 2011 Actually light rail is a long term solution. Staten Island has a population about the size of Portland so a light rail system like that would be able to do just as well on Staten Island. I never really would expect Staten Island to ever surpass the 1.5 million people mark due to it's huge distance from Manhattan. Commuting time to Midtown Manhattan would always take a long time from Staten Island so it wouldn't boom like crazy.Distance doesn't have nothing to do with it. Everywhere else in the NYC metro area (Hudson Valley, Connecticut, New Jersey, Long Island) has access to heavy rail to Manhattan or in the city both heavy rail and the subway. Staten Island has "poor transportation options" nothin but automobiles and the ferry to commute off the island; which is the reason why the population isn't explosive as the rest of the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted October 19, 2011 Share #206 Posted October 19, 2011 Light rail is a subsitute to heavy rail. Just like a subway system light rail uses their own ROW. It isn't a streetcar with other cars moving in and out, but just one direct lane that takes people to their destination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VWM Posted October 24, 2011 Share #207 Posted October 24, 2011 No Heavy Rail? But i like the idea of Light rail. Because it can be built over bridges and stuff like the Bayonne and Verrezano, then it can actually serve SI unlike the buses coughs(S40)coughs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted October 24, 2011 Author Share #208 Posted October 24, 2011 My newest Staten Island Light Rail Concept. It has been updated to the new North Shore Light Rail, and follows the West Shore Light Rail. Blue Line: Current SIR Red Line: St. George-86th Street (Brooklyn) via Verrazano Narrows Bridge Orange Line: Extension of Hudson Bergen Light Rail via Bayonne Bridge from Hoboken Terminal-Atlantic (SIR) Green Line: St. George-Atlantic (SIR) High speed ferries replace the current ferries that run on the Staten Island Ferry to speed up commute time to Lower Manhattan. image That Red Line is way too circuitous. If you insist on putting a line on the SIE, at least have it end at Bloomfield or Arlington. I stand by what I said about what I feel is the best plan, in this post: http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=490736&postcount=632 They already do this on the Staten Island Ferry. What difference would it make? Have you wondered why our express bus ridership is so high? It's because people don't want to make transfers. During rush hour, express buses are at their peak and serve more riders than the ferry does. Off-peak, the ferry gets more riders only because the express bus doesn't run too frequently, but off-peak, there are actually a lot of SIers driving into Manhattan so they don't have to deal with the ferry. Actually light rail is a long term solution. Staten Island has a population about the size of Portland so a light rail system like that would be able to do just as well on Staten Island. I never really would expect Staten Island to ever surpass the 1.5 million people mark due to it's huge distance from Manhattan. Commuting time to Midtown Manhattan would always take a long time from Staten Island so it wouldn't boom like crazy. Portland is twice the size of SI, so it's an invalid comparison even though it has a similar population. SI's overall density is a little over 8,000 people per square mile, whereas Portland's is around 4,200. Plus, you have to consider that Portland is the city itself. You're just moving the residents around the city. Here, you're moving a boroughful of people to Manhattan, which is even denser, which makes an even better case for heavy rail. As far as proximity to Midtown, the trip from St. George to Midtown would be around 25 minutes. A trip to Arlington would be around 40 minutes, and a trip to Tottenville would be around an hour. Wakefield is an hour from Midtown and it's very dense. There are even parts of the Rockaways that are dense despite being so far out. Even if it only reached 1.5 million people, that would give it a density of 24,000 per square mile, which is more than Philadelphia in terms of both density and actual population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted October 25, 2011 Share #209 Posted October 25, 2011 Here is my post in the other thread. What Staten Island would look like with light rail and subway connections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted October 29, 2011 Share #210 Posted October 29, 2011 Here is my post in the other thread. ok but what would you do to address NJ bound ppl from SI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 N Train Posted October 29, 2011 Share #211 Posted October 29, 2011 :cool: Ok that map looks hot and S.I. is my home If they get rid of the S40 S46 and S48 that would be stupid cause what if the Railroad is under a massive constuction phase they got no choice but too keep those lines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted October 29, 2011 Share #212 Posted October 29, 2011 Hudson Bergen Light Rail extension... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted October 31, 2011 Share #213 Posted October 31, 2011 Hudson Bergen Light Rail extension... I mean NOT going to bayonne. Those heading into middlesex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted October 31, 2011 Share #214 Posted October 31, 2011 There isn't a need for it as I see. Since the route of the North Shore Light Rail has been changed it can't cross the Geothals Bridge to NJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted October 31, 2011 Author Share #215 Posted October 31, 2011 There isn't a need for it as I see. Since the route of the North Shore Light Rail has been changed it can't cross the Geothals Bridge to NJ. I can't see a whole lot of demand between SI and Middlesex and if there was, then a simple bus route could handle it. S56 extension anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted October 31, 2011 Share #216 Posted October 31, 2011 There isn't a need for it as I see. Since the route of the North Shore Light Rail has been changed it can't cross the Geothals Bridge to NJ. Not exactly it won't need to cross that bridge I'd have it as a separate bridge to link with existing tracks in NJ in a way direct to woodbridge if ya want. It can be customized to link with NJT services better and deeper. @ checkmate S56/S55 is for an entirely different market to link with CL trains and academy buses and rte 9 buses. The rail would be for northern middlesex and the inner parts. The bus would be for rte 9 and GSP corridors via linkage with those buses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santa Fe via Willow Posted November 1, 2011 Share #217 Posted November 1, 2011 My newest Staten Island Light Rail Concept. It has been updated to the new North Shore Light Rail, and follows the West Shore Light Rail. Blue Line: Current SIR Red Line: St. George-86th Street (Brooklyn) via Verrazano Narrows Bridge Orange Line: Extension of Hudson Bergen Light Rail via Bayonne Bridge from Hoboken Terminal-Atlantic (SIR) Green Line: St. George-Atlantic (SIR) High speed ferries replace the current ferries that run on the Staten Island Ferry to speed up commute time to Lower Manhattan. Your train ideas are very Chicagoland:cool: I've never been to the Second City:(, but the Windy City has been to me I agree about the waterways. They are an underutilized mass transitway. Especially on SI. I hear Seattle has the most ferry routes of anywhere just about(?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted November 4, 2011 Share #218 Posted November 4, 2011 Your train ideas are very Chicagoland:cool: I've never been to the Second City:(, but the Windy City has been to me I agree about the waterways. They are an underutilized mass transitway. Especially on SI. I hear Seattle has the most ferry routes of anywhere just about(?). Seattle also has a SUPERIOR express bus network as well. It's like a bunch of high speed buses in a sense there is also HOV immunity that is granted to em 24/7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyland8 Posted April 2, 2012 Share #219 Posted April 2, 2012 From my perspective, the North Shore connection to the existing SIR should proceed apace, the PATH system should be subsumed into the MTA, the North Shore should span the Arthur Kill and connect to the old PATH system at Newark Airport - which is where it is headed as we speak. This would mean a one seat ride from Tottenville to Herald Square with the swipe of a MetroCard - and all at a tiny fraction of what it will cost to tunnel across the Narrows to Brooklyn. The Port Authority doesn't need to operate an urban commuter subway system. It should confine it's activities to NY/NJ's role as an international port, both by sea and by air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted April 2, 2012 Author Share #220 Posted April 2, 2012 But the thing is that the travel time would be too long. Think about it: You have to go from Tottenville to St. George, then backtrack from St. George over to NJ, and then backtrack again along the PATH line. You're not going to take a bunch of riders off the express bus, or even the ferry by taking that route. Plus, you're adding a bunch of SI riders to the PATH so it's more crowded. You don't have to do that if you make a straight tunnel to Manhattan. I mean, sure it's more expensive, but the benefits are far greater. I do think the North Shore Rail Line should go over to Elizabeth (screw the damn Teleport. It's not the MTA's fault they built it in the middle of nowhere, and besides, hopefully they'll be served by the West Shore Rail Line from Bayonne), but the purpose should be just for regional connectivity (to go out along the Northeast Corridor/North Jersey Coast Line or to take a bus from Elizabeth), not to reach Manhattan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted April 28, 2012 Author Share #221 Posted April 28, 2012 I just got this email: "North Shore Alternatives Analysis PUBLIC MEETING – THURSDAY, MAY 10, 2012 - 6:30 p.m. SNUG HARBOR CULTURAL CENTERBuilding P, 1000 Richmond Terrace, Staten Island, New York Join MTA-NYCT as we share the results of this study. " I have an AP test the next day, so I can't go. By the way, there's always this woman there who claims to represent the community and keeps talking about how she doesn't want some "pristine land" by Richmond Terrace paved over (I didn't know "pristine land" meant old factories) and how the reason it shouldn't be done is because they got the boundaries of Port Richmond wrong. My friend and I had a good laugh about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfio Posted May 5, 2012 Share #222 Posted May 5, 2012 Current short list: No Build (required by fed as a baseline) Light rail Bus rapid transit on a dedicated roadway using mostly the old RR right of way And no S40 bus http://www.mta.info/mta/planning/nsaa/documents.html Next announcement May 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted May 7, 2012 Author Share #223 Posted May 7, 2012 Current short list: No Build (required by fed as a baseline) Light rail Bus rapid transit on a dedicated roadway using mostly the old RR right of way And no S40 bus http://www.mta.info/.../documents.html Next announcement May 10 Are you from Zetlin, because like I mentioned in the thread, I think it's completely stupid to take heavy rail off the short list. You're going to give up the chance to make a connection to Manhattan for the sake of an office park that's like 50% vacant? It makes no sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted May 7, 2012 Share #224 Posted May 7, 2012 What should be done is the Route 440/West Shore corridor be served by HBLR or similar/Light Rail Service, and the North Shore served by SIRTOA/Heavy Rail Service. I don't think BRT is the best way to go for the entire corridor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted May 7, 2012 Author Share #225 Posted May 7, 2012 What should be done is the Route 440/West Shore corridor be served by HBLR or similar/Light Rail Service, and the North Shore served by SIRTOA/Heavy Rail Service. I don't think BRT is the best way to go for the entire corridor. I don't think BRT is good for any part of the corridor. But yeah, the North Shore should definitely be served by heavy rail, and the West Shore should definitely be served by light rail. The question is where along the West Shore the line should go (whether it should be down Richmond Avenue, or along the WSE like they want), but that's definitely how the basic layout would be. If there was enough money, what I would do is have the North Shore Line continue from Arlington, get onto the West Shore Expressway somehow, and then go down the West Shore Expressway to Pleasant Plains. The West Shore Line would basically go down Richmond Avenue until the ETC or Eltingville SIR station. But basically, the North Shore Line should be 100% heavy rail. If they could extend it past Arlington and have it serve the Teleport and other parts of the West Shore, great. If not, oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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