T to Dyre Avenue Posted February 19, 2011 Share #26 Posted February 19, 2011 because the is not willing to build a tunnel to connect the 2 Av subway to the line in Brooklyn. unfortunately they're broke. if it wasnt listed in the Capital Program from the get go, then its not gonna happen. its bad enough the train hasnt even started running via 2 Ave yet, and that was phase 1 of the project that was supposed to have been started already. Once Phase 1 is done, they gonna have to reroute the off the Astoria line and onto the 2 Av line as it was originally planned. Another thing the is gonna have to do is bring back the to make up for the loss of the in astoria. thats money right there. theres no way the MTA is gonna squeeze in a plan to connect the tunnel to an tunnel and have the run via the line. im not saying it cant happen in the future, but they gotta finish what they originally started. once the complete 2 Av subway is built, and IF there is enough money for it, then the MTA might go ahead and plan an extention for the to go to and from Brooklyn. but as of right now, i really dont see it happening. Phase 3 (which is when the would debut) calls for the SAS to be extended from 63rd Street to Houston Street. The MTA could determine that it's prohibitively expensive to tunnel all the way to Hanover Square (the cost to tunnel will more than likely continue to rise over the years) Then building a connection to the line would be a fairly inexpensive way to extend the to Brooklyn. While the MTA currently has no funding for anything beyond the three stations at 96th, 86th and 72nd streets, anything can happen after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted February 19, 2011 Share #27 Posted February 19, 2011 Anybody else see the contradiction there? First yo bash others for ideas using connections that are already built, then go turn around and pitch an idea for something that isn't even halfway built yet. The is not going down the Culver, give up already If that's not calling the kettle black, then I dunno what is Well, this is not the pot calling the kettle black. You don't know that the will never go down Culver. What if the MTA decides it's too expensive to tunnel to Hanover Square? What if they want to run the to Brooklyn, but can't afford to build a new East River tunnel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bus Guy Posted February 19, 2011 Author Share #28 Posted February 19, 2011 Ok ok ok stop with the foam/flaming does this topic say anything about the or second av line? No this is about using various built connections to make new routes and various dicussions on those routes so please stay on topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
553 Bridgeton Posted February 19, 2011 Share #29 Posted February 19, 2011 Popcorn.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted February 19, 2011 Share #30 Posted February 19, 2011 So?. These connections would never be built either the has no money. So you are contradicting yourself too. We spend 76 years trying to dig that one subway line called Second Avenue, and so far we saw nothing. So we will never ever see any new connections being dug. One of the last few connections ever dug by the TA was the Chrystie Street Connection, and you saw how close the TA was to cancel that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted February 19, 2011 Share #31 Posted February 19, 2011 He means those that already exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4P3607 Posted February 19, 2011 Share #32 Posted February 19, 2011 There's programming for the to go to Coney Island via Brighton. no theres not, only a to C.I. via Brighton besides (... I can see this thread is similar to "create you own subway route", only that your only allowed to use NYC subway tracks already here... My route would be labeled (13), runs rush hours from Van Cortlandt Park-242 Street, Bronx - to - New Lots Avenue, Brooklyn, via 7 Avenue local / eastern parkway express, then skip-stop from Franklin Avenue to New Lots Avenue with . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted February 19, 2011 Share #33 Posted February 19, 2011 If it is then why don't we just merge them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted February 19, 2011 Share #34 Posted February 19, 2011 I'm still skeptical about the ever since it was cut from Forest Hills... and plenty of transfer options are available along the route. Why does it exist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbluefoxie Posted February 19, 2011 Share #35 Posted February 19, 2011 I'm still skeptical about the ever since it was cut from Forest Hills... and plenty of transfer options are available along the route. Why does it exist? because they need a route for the IND Crosstown Line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRT Bronx Express Posted February 19, 2011 Share #36 Posted February 19, 2011 dude relax. it doesnt have to be real. its not that serious.As long as discussions here are realistic rather than "foamtastic" and pure fantasy, then it's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted February 19, 2011 Share #37 Posted February 19, 2011 Well for one you could send IRT lines to Coney Island, but you would have to give them their own platforms therefore raising prices, but the nearest IRT station would be Brooklyn College-Flatbush Avenue which is the , and (5)'s current terminal, but you could extend it farther down to Sheepshead Bay via Nostrand Avenue, and then turn it to get to Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, but it would have to be underground, and have it's own ROW. Excuse my earlier post on the IRT lines. That was for using existing trackage. Though it would be useful giving IRT lines access to Coney Island which is one of the most busiest stations in all of NYC during the summer, and would be a tourist draw. It would also give IRT residents a one seat ride to the beach during the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted February 19, 2011 Share #38 Posted February 19, 2011 id let the go to Lefferts. i dont see what the problem is with that. to Far Rockaway with rush hour service to Rockaway Pk, to Lefferts, to Kings Hwy via Culver. [not directed at just you but anyone that still proposes about sending the to Lefferts over the ] God, how many times must this be stated: Just because there are just 3 stops on the Lefferts part, it doesn't mean it should be shafted. Those 3 stops are pretty well used. Once those trains from Lefferts gets to Rockaway Blvd, the riders are just going to get off the and take the there making those trains empty all the way to Euclid. So you are basically wasting trains that could be trains. I'd rather the current set up be left alone over sending the to lefferts. Far Rockaway has mostly length and the major stops like Rockaway Park, Mott Av and Howard beach. The other stations in between don't have that many riders individually. The only thing that needs to be changed about the is to rename one branch as another letter. As for the to CI, I've always said that they could send the via the Culver and it switches with the . Then the could go to WTC. Before the came into service, things would've been more simple with the and switching routes respectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted February 19, 2011 Share #39 Posted February 19, 2011 Wirelessly posted via (BlackBerry8520/5.0.0.900 Profile/MIDP-2.1 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/100) So?. These connections would never be built either the has no money. So you are contradicting yourself too. We spend 76 years trying to dig that one subway line called Second Avenue, and so far we saw nothing. So we will never ever see any new connections being dug. One of the last few connections ever dug by the TA was the Chrystie Street Connection, and you saw how close the TA was to cancel that. You completely missed my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted February 19, 2011 Share #40 Posted February 19, 2011 Maybe one of my old ideas might work. Send the down the Montague Street tunnel using the Nassau Street Line, and have it run local to Bay Parkway. That should help at least most people in getting close to Coney Island so they would transfer to the . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRT Bronx Express Posted February 19, 2011 Share #41 Posted February 19, 2011 So you want the to be colored brown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTimer Posted February 19, 2011 Share #42 Posted February 19, 2011 Maybe one of my old ideas might work. Send the down the Montague Street tunnel using the Nassau Street Line, and have it run local to Bay Parkway. That should help at least most people in getting close to Coney Island so they would transfer to the . Going to have to send it thru 11st or 6Av after 5th Av for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted February 19, 2011 Share #43 Posted February 19, 2011 No. Why the hell would you think that. I was planning to send it down the Montague Street Tunnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTimer Posted February 19, 2011 Share #44 Posted February 19, 2011 No. Why the hell would you think that. I was planning to send it down the Montague Street Tunnel. And how would it get there from its current terminal (or somewhere nearby)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted February 19, 2011 Share #45 Posted February 19, 2011 I am sure the is at the same level as all the other nearby tunnels. Some digging would be required but you can send the along with the into South Brooklyn via the Montague Street Tunnel if you look carefully. You could have the approach Wall Street with a lower level. Then you can have it come up via crossover, and run down into the Montague Street Tunnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbluefoxie Posted February 19, 2011 Share #46 Posted February 19, 2011 why would you need the in Coney Island anyway? Queens riders can just take the instead and Manhattan riders can use the and to get the at Jay St. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted February 19, 2011 Share #47 Posted February 19, 2011 One seat rides. It's all about the one seat rides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbluefoxie Posted February 19, 2011 Share #48 Posted February 19, 2011 One seat rides. It's all about the one seat rides. If there were serious demand for an 8 Ave-Coney Island route, they woulda done it already. All I can say is dont be lazy, get off your butt and transfer to another train Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted February 19, 2011 Share #49 Posted February 19, 2011 Soon they would be begging for a one seat ride from the Second Avenue Subway lol. I only mentioned it, because it might be a good subsitute for a Culver Express service should it ever happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbluefoxie Posted February 19, 2011 Share #50 Posted February 19, 2011 I like the idea of the Second Ave line ending somewhere near South Ferry and hooking it into the and via transfer corridor. There riders have access to and from the Staten Island Ferry and Lower Manhattan. as for Culver express, Ive always suggested they do it the way they used to, rush hour peak direction. trains ending in Kings Highway are locals, and trains ending in Coney Island are express. No need for additional letters and whatnot. The express tracks by Smith 9th and 4 Ave arent set up well for express service. The express trains would bypass the major transfer point, 4 Avenue station, so I would keep the and both local from Bergen to Church Ave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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