East New York Posted February 20, 2011 Share #1 Posted February 20, 2011 In my opinion, it's high time the MTA started being more aggressive with Capitol Construction programs. In this thread, I want to discuss what I think needs to be the next subway project. I proposed something similar to the TA a few years back. The snapped up the idea, and plan, but the the economy tanked shortly after. I decided to revise it, and have it address future transportation needs in the city. I would like everyone to tell me what they think, as I would like to resubmit the plan to the TA. My original plan did not go north of LGA Airport. Central New York Subway Line Coney Island-Westchester Express/Super Express Funding 2015-2019 Capitol Plan Aprox cost $36 Billion including cars, equipment etc. Construction (All phases) 2016-2032 Super Ex stops in black Express stops in blue CI - Brighton Beach B,Q Emmons Av/Knapp St Louis Av/Gerritsen Av Kings Plaza Flatbush Av/Flatlands Av Flatbush Av/Bk College 2,5 Avenue D/Utica Av Utica Av/Church Av Utica Av/Empire Blvd Crown Hgts. 3,4 Fulton St. A,C Myrtle Av/Broadway J,M,Z Flushing Av/Wilson Av Flushing Av/Jefferson Av L Flushing Av/Fresh Pond Road Grand Av/79th St. Queen Ctr Mall E,F,M,R via Flushing/Grand Avs Junction Blvd 7 Junction Blvd/Astoria Blvd LGA Airport * College Point Blvd/20 Av/127 St. 20 Av/Parsons Blvd Whitestone Expwy/3 Av Bruckner Interchange via Whitestone Parkchester 6 via Cross Bx Expwy West Farms Sq. 2,5 Corona Park-E. Tremont/3 Av St. Barnabas Hosp.-3 Av/E.183 St. Fordham Plaza via Tremont/3 Avs Fordham Road B,D Kingsbridge Road B,D via Gd Concourse Line Bedford Park Blvd./Leman College 4,B,D via Gd Concourse Line Kingsbridge - W. 231 St/Broadway 1 Riverdale Av/246 St Riverdale Av/256 St Westchester County Line via Riverdale Av Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted February 20, 2011 Share #2 Posted February 20, 2011 Nah to be cheap I just created a LaGuardia Airport that runs underground from Mets-Willets Point to Astoria-Ditmars Boulevard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted February 20, 2011 Author Share #3 Posted February 20, 2011 Nah to be cheap I just created a LaGuardia Airport that runs underground from Mets-Willets Point to Astoria-Ditmars Boulevard. The whole point of this is to build a line in central Brooklyn to solve the Utica Avenue problem. LGA is not the focus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted February 20, 2011 Share #4 Posted February 20, 2011 This new line will be using existing ROW, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted February 20, 2011 Share #5 Posted February 20, 2011 I actually have drawn a cheap alternative it's called the Utica Avenue Light Rail. I also drew an extension of the , and from it's current terminus in Brooklyn to Coney Island to give IRT riders a one seat ride to Coney Island, and to serve Mill Basin. Though my Utica Avenue Light Rail is actually part of my idea of a large operated NYC Light Rail system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak7 Posted February 20, 2011 Share #6 Posted February 20, 2011 For $36 billion in transit money, I'd rather it go toward the Gateway Project and starting the Next-Gen HSR (tunnel needs roughly $13 billion). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted February 20, 2011 Author Share #7 Posted February 20, 2011 This new line will be using existing ROW, correct? For part of it. I actually have drawn a cheap alternative it's called the Utica Avenue Light Rail. I also drew an extension of the , and from it's current terminus in Brooklyn to Coney Island to give IRT riders a one seat ride to Coney Island, and to serve Mill Basin. Though my Utica Avenue Light Rail is actually part of my idea of a large operated NYC Light Rail system. Light Rail won't work on Utica. For $36 billion in transit money, I'd rather it go toward the Gateway Project and starting the Next-Gen HSR (tunnel needs roughly $13 billion). That's a good deal considering how long the line is, and the cost of trains is included. Not to mention a line through Central Bklyn is needed very bad. Besides, we are talking about MTA here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted February 20, 2011 Share #8 Posted February 20, 2011 Here is my NYC Light Rail map. Oh yeah I made a mistake around the Bushwick area by making the purple line run right through Evergreen Cemetery. In real life it would avoid the cemetery by going around it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrainFanatic Posted February 20, 2011 Share #9 Posted February 20, 2011 I know this line is suppose to be a "Super Express" but I don't think it would do Utica Av any justice since it only has two stops. Utica Av would still be left with a huge gap of needed subway service. Instead, I would make the line run straight down Utica right after Kings Plaza with stops at Flatlands Av & Av K, Av H, possibly Av D, Church Av is a definite, Empire Blvd and so on with your original plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted February 20, 2011 Author Share #10 Posted February 20, 2011 I know this line is suppose to be a "Super Express" but I don't think it would do Utica Av any justice since it only has two stops. I would make the line run straight down Utica right after Kings Plaza with stops at Flatlands Av & Av K, Av H, possibly Av D, Church Av is a definite, Empire Blvd and so on with your original plan. It will have stops all along Utica. I guess I should have said that. Those are the Super express/major stops above. I will add in the regular stops in blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTimer Posted February 20, 2011 Share #11 Posted February 20, 2011 I actually have drawn a cheap alternative it's called the Utica Avenue Light Rail. I also drew an extension of the , and from it's current terminus in Brooklyn to Coney Island to give IRT riders a one seat ride to Coney Island, and to serve Mill Basin. Though my Utica Avenue Light Rail is actually part of my idea of a large operated NYC Light Rail system. IRT riders will still transfer to quicker options along the Brighton or Sea Beach lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted February 20, 2011 Share #12 Posted February 20, 2011 I redid my light rail map, and included the Hudson Bergen Light Rail. I also included the Tenafly Extension. Now you can see that my light rail idea helps the people that live by the HBLR. Oh yeah I am also making considerations to extend the brown line from JFK on down to the Rockaways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJSm Posted February 20, 2011 Share #13 Posted February 20, 2011 I redid my light rail map, and included the Hudson Bergen Light Rail. I also included the Tenafly Extension. Now you can see that my light rail idea helps the people that live by the HBLR. Oh yeah I am also making considerations to extend the brown line from JFK on down to the Rockaways. Not really. Why would anyone take your circuitous route north to the GWB and then back south? Better to just have the HBLR extension as it is supposed to happen. People will then take the HBLR from Bergen County to Hoboken and the PATH into NYC, which is a lot faster than your design. Also, you didn't include any extension to Tenafly (north of Englewood)...Where is the Tenafly extension you're talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted February 20, 2011 Author Share #14 Posted February 20, 2011 I redid my light rail map, and included the Hudson Bergen Light Rail. I also included the Tenafly Extension. Now you can see that my light rail idea helps the people that live by the HBLR. Oh yeah I am also making considerations to extend the brown line from JFK on down to the Rockaways. This thread is not about anything light rail. It's is about the need for a New York City Subway to address the overcapacity issue in central Brooklyn, and provide more options for Queens and Bronx riders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted February 20, 2011 Share #15 Posted February 20, 2011 Yeah I guess, but if we are talking about this then why don't we talk about the Triboro Rx instead. Same idea same concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted February 20, 2011 Share #16 Posted February 20, 2011 Looking at your map, would the line be built under Ocean Pkwy or on a viaduct like the on Queens Blvd? If anything, another line in South Brooklyn should be bult further east and not on Ocean Pkwy since that area is not surved by subways at all and an Ocean Pkwy line would be between the Culver and the Brighton lines. Also, whay waste money building a line down Flatbush Av to Floyd Bennet? Also, where is that grey line running in Brooklyn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted February 20, 2011 Share #17 Posted February 20, 2011 It is light rail not the subway it runs on the Parkway itself, and the gray line stops roughly near Masapeth to serve people not served by the subway. In fact if you look closely I want to bring light rail service to areas not well served by the NYC Subway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexis4Jersey Posted February 20, 2011 Share #18 Posted February 20, 2011 Light Rail will not work in NYC except on SI , it works in smaller cities like JC and Philly.... I think MTA should build a half circle Commuter Rail like in my LIRR proposal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokkemon Posted February 21, 2011 Share #19 Posted February 21, 2011 The whole point of this is to build a line in central Brooklyn to solve the Utica Avenue problem. LGA is not the focus. What's the Utica Ave problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrainFanatic Posted February 21, 2011 Share #20 Posted February 21, 2011 What's the Utica Ave problem? People who live around the area often have to take a long bus ride to the nearest subway station. Also, a subway line running down Utica Ave would decrease the heavy traffic flow along this busy strip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted February 21, 2011 Share #21 Posted February 21, 2011 Indeed. Utica Ave would have their own subway line if the IND Second System was (partially) built. But that never happened, so Utica Ave people have no subway at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTimer Posted February 21, 2011 Share #22 Posted February 21, 2011 Utica serves the throngs of people who live in parts of Canarsie and Flatlands areas that are not near the . Even though the goes to Rockaway Pkwy, there is a lot of real estate between that station and Flatbush Av (even more than the current subway map depicts so don't use that as an estimate) going all the way down to Kings Plaza (which is in Marine Park technically, but those folks face the same problems as those in neighboring communities to the north). This trianglar section of area is really the only part of Brooklyn that's nowhere near a subway line or a quick, direct stretch of road that heads toward downtown Brooklyn/Manhattan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted February 21, 2011 Share #23 Posted February 21, 2011 More then that this is a real proposal from 1969. The was suppose to run down Utica Avenue, and the , would have ran down to Sheepshead Bay. This was from 1929 the same proposal was reinacted in 1939, and was never built. The last plan with no pictures was from 1971. This proposal would have extended the train down Utica Avenue from it's current terminus. This was never built either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4P3607 Posted February 21, 2011 Share #24 Posted February 21, 2011 The was suppose to run down Utica Avenue, Is that why there is a bellmouth at the Eastern End of the Utica Avenue Station? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted February 21, 2011 Share #25 Posted February 21, 2011 Yeah it is. Though I really like the idea of extending the down Utica Avenue. It could connect with the Rockaway Park Shuttle, and finally kill that darn . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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