2Line1291 Posted February 21, 2011 Share #26 Posted February 21, 2011 Since the bellmouths are from the local tracks, it would be the on the Utica Line and the on the New Lots Line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTimer Posted February 21, 2011 Share #27 Posted February 21, 2011 Since the bellmouths are from the local tracks, it would be the on the Utica Line and the on the New Lots Line. Which would make more sense anyway with the terminals aligned the way they are. That also would make way for overnight service. You can see they left options for a middle track along the Livonia structure and ways to directly access express tracks from north of Sutter Av. One has to wonder now that the neighborhood has developed whether to run it down Remsen instead (assuming to Kings Plaza) to pull some riders from the . Its foolish to run both lines down to Marine Park as that would be redundant as the Nostrand/Flatbush line would offer a quicker ride uptown than the Utica line (unless the Nostrand line continued down Nostrand towards Sheepshead Bay). On a related note I wonder what feels like the quickest ride into midtown from Coney Island being that the to ( hasnt returned yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted February 21, 2011 Share #28 Posted February 21, 2011 Yeah it is. Though I really like the idea of extending the down Utica Avenue. It could connect with the Rockaway Park Shuttle, and finally kill that darn . There's no way of connecting the to the ...do you have the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted February 21, 2011 Share #29 Posted February 21, 2011 No it was back then not now in 1971. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m7zanr160s Posted February 21, 2011 Share #30 Posted February 21, 2011 People who live around the area often have to take a long bus ride to the nearest subway station. Yeah...that sounds familiar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted February 21, 2011 Share #31 Posted February 21, 2011 Tell that to the Staten Islanders which never had a subway line to begin with. The only thing they have is the SIR to nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted February 22, 2011 Author Share #32 Posted February 22, 2011 Tell that to the Staten Islanders which never had a subway line to begin with. The only thing they have is the SIR to nowhere. True, but central Brooklyn is the most congested area in the city. The B46 Utica Av line is the most heavily traveled in the city. That issue needs to be addressed by 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted February 22, 2011 Share #33 Posted February 22, 2011 I'm looking at the map and envisioning a line. Here it is, starting from the southern terminal. Sheepshead Bay ( Av Y/Bedford Av Av V/Nostrand Av Av U/E 36th St Flatbush Av/Utica Av Flatlands Av Kings Hwy-Foster Av [exits on both sides] Church Av Empire Blvd Eastern Pkwy at which point it turns on to those tracks and runs as a local with the , terminating at Pelham Bay Park and being a dedicated Bronx express and Manhattan local. Green 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted February 22, 2011 Share #34 Posted February 22, 2011 If all the Bronxites living under the IRT tracks were able to get by with the tracks above them, why did those "men in the real estate business" in Manhattan want the els torn down? As if putting the SAS off for 81 years was bad enough, the Third Avenue El was supposed to stay up until the SAS was at least built... and look what happened to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted February 22, 2011 Share #35 Posted February 22, 2011 I don't think we should drill any new subway lines, but use existing infrastructure. Like this I will extend the current Nostrand Avenue Line , to Coney Island to give IRT residents a one seat ride to the beach during the summer, and to relief crowding. I would also drill a Utica Avenue Subway using the , and link it to the Rockaway Park . The Utica Avenue Subway would have 4 tracks dug via cut, and cover. The would run as the Utica Avenue express, and the would be the local. The section of the Canarise Line between to Dekalb Avenue would be made into one straight line, and it would be redug cut and cover with 4 tracks, and the would run express here. Thus service would go like this on the Canarsie Line Canarsie Local-Utica Avenue Express 23rd Street to Ozone Park-Lefferts Avenue. Canarsie Express-Utica Avenue Local 23rd Street to Far Rockaway-Mott Avenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrainFanatic Posted February 22, 2011 Share #36 Posted February 22, 2011 A one seat ride on the (2)/(5) from Church Ave to CI would be nice. Instead of having to take the B35 to the Brighton. Not a long bus ride at all, but having not to transfer is much better. I doubt that would happen thou. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted February 22, 2011 Share #37 Posted February 22, 2011 I don't think we should drill any new subway lines, but use existing infrastructure. I would also drill a Utica Avenue Subway using the , and link it to the Rockaway Park . ...Contradiction much? My link to Crown Heights would give more riders potentially faster access to downtown Brooklyn and the east side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted February 22, 2011 Share #38 Posted February 22, 2011 My idea includes express service if you looked clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted February 22, 2011 Share #39 Posted February 22, 2011 But it's only express on Utica Av. Also, I really don't know how vital it is to connect Utica Av to the Rockaways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted February 22, 2011 Share #40 Posted February 22, 2011 Additionally, I was pointing out that you said you didn't want to do any drilling, then proposed drilling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted February 22, 2011 Share #41 Posted February 22, 2011 Wait I proposed cut and cover. It is intrusive, but fast. At least it would be faster then Second Avenue, but I also proposed rebuilding the Canarsie Line to remove that curve between Dekalb, and Grantham Avenue, and rebuild it as a four track line around there for express service. Any express service here would be skipping almost 5 stations so it would be a quick trip to Manhattan. Plus the would be express along Utica Avenue. The would be an express on Canarsie it's a win win situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted February 22, 2011 Share #42 Posted February 22, 2011 Well you said drilling then cut and cover, so which is it?. Either way, the alignment would require more people to transfer, while running it with the would give those riders a one-seat [magic word] ride to lower Manhattan and the east side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted February 22, 2011 Share #43 Posted February 22, 2011 Cut, and Cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted February 22, 2011 Share #44 Posted February 22, 2011 Fair enough. Either way, I don't see the benefit of utilizing the to connect to Utica Av and the Rockaways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted February 22, 2011 Share #45 Posted February 22, 2011 We could go with my other plan. Extend the down Worth Street creating the Worth Street Line. At Utica Avenue have either the or join to join the to create local and express service down Utica Avenue. This would be a good idea if you want to link the Lexington Avenue Line, and the Seventh Avenue Line to Utica Avenue. Though the benefits of the , idea is to create Canarsie express service, to get rid of the Rockaway Park , and to relieve the from branching all over the place. The IRT lines will not do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lance25 Posted February 22, 2011 Share #46 Posted February 22, 2011 Why would you extend IRT width lines? Just seems a bit counterproductive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted February 22, 2011 Share #47 Posted February 22, 2011 Well that is why I suggested the , and idea. It just seems more ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted February 22, 2011 Share #48 Posted February 22, 2011 I mean, although IRT trains are smaller, any trains along Utica Av would be welcomed with open arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted February 22, 2011 Share #49 Posted February 22, 2011 You forgot about Sheepshead Bay, and Mill Basin which are now NIMBY counties. Subway lines won't go past there today easily. You would have to win those people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted February 22, 2011 Author Share #50 Posted February 22, 2011 Most of the plans you all are talking about sound okay, but why do all this extending, and other stuff. That's not going to address the issues. We need a dedicated North-South BMT/IND standard subway line from south Brooklyn to at least LGA Airport. It has been needed for decades just like SAS. Connections are available to every East-West crosstown line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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