Shortline Bus Posted July 19, 2011 Share #626 Posted July 19, 2011 It wasn't based solely on proximity. Think about this: The Angels are gone, or turned into a AAA team. Attendence increases for the Dodgers and the Padres as a result. Dodgers and Padres start filling out stadium for once. As Shortline said, due to the lack of football, LA citizens have no one to turn to but baseball. Take out one option, you benefit the other two. The Cubs and the White Sox have a healthy rivalry, but Shortline wants to take them out. The Sox have decades, no, a century of history, what have the Angels done other than a few playoff appearances and an artificial fan base? Nada. As I said before, moving the White Sox would be ludicrous. The Sox have a century of history since their inception. There is no way that they will ever be contracted, Obama completely aside. What will you say to the die-hard White Sox fans when they leave? It's not happening in our lifetimes, if ever. Ther at least is some respect for rival teams in LA, and Angel fans would happily go over to the Padres or Dodgers. Eliminating the Angels makes waaay more sense than eliminating the White Sox or Rays. Lets see SISubway have you been ever to Calif? And of yes the Angels won the 2002 world series. Maybe they been one of the best run teams in MLB in last decade. And news flash why SIsubway you avoiding the Frank McCourt train wreck that turning younger LA area fans into Angels fans. This season so far ranks as the worst year of attendence for the Dodgers since they moved to Dodger Stadium in 1962. Not to mention in recent polls the Angels have overtaken the Dodgers as the LA area #2 most popular pro sports team after the Lakers. Why move the 'hottest and most popular MLB team' in Southern Calif right now SI Subway? I only agree that Southern Calif sports fans are among the least passionate in America. Only other 'worst sports' towns in US is in no order, Atlanta, Miami and Houston. And seriously it's doubtful Angel fans will switch to being Padres or Dodgers fans. There been '3' teams in Southern Calif since 1969. Before the Padres got Petco Park, maybe you have a case but not until 2030 at earliest could the Dodgers Padres and Angels more. And while proposing the White Sox leaving Chicago also sounds silly and never happen at least for many years, at least it has more merit now in 2011 than your the Angels leaving Anaheim. During the White Sox 2005 world series run, none of their playoff games sold out until the fall classic. The Cubs will always be the #1 more popular club in the windy city. As late as 2009, the Angels and Dodgers combined draw 5 million fans, something the '2' NYC MLB clubs had done maybe a couple of times every. Sounds as great as your insane move the Phillies to the AL East SISubway. Thought you were smarter than that. PS My Mom and Sister lives in San Diego (my sister moved out 15 years ago) and i been to Angels Stadium and Petco so i know what i am talking about. Now young man still want to move the Angels after my comments. Even 7line and most of the other MLB fans on here will agree with me.B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeesPwnMets Posted July 19, 2011 Share #627 Posted July 19, 2011 Honestly, I quite like how MLB is the way they are now. Also, Cashman still calls the prospects needed for Ubaldo untouchable, but Steinbrenner can always shoot in and overrule Cashman. Do any of you think that this will happen again like it did last winter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted July 19, 2011 Share #628 Posted July 19, 2011 Honestly, I quite like how MLB is the way they are now. Also, Cashman still calls the prospects needed for Ubaldo untouchable, but Steinbrenner can always shoot in and overrule Cashman. Do any of you think that this will happen again like it did last winter? Dumb question? What "Junior" Steinbrenner is the 'new boss' Hank or Hal? I am serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alejr88 Posted July 19, 2011 Share #629 Posted July 19, 2011 Honestly, I quite like how MLB is the way they are now. Also, Cashman still calls the prospects needed for Ubaldo untouchable, but Steinbrenner can always shoot in and overrule Cashman. Do any of you think that this will happen again like it did last winter? They better not. Look what happened with Soriano and Cashman didn't want to sign him, Randy Levine did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted July 19, 2011 Share #630 Posted July 19, 2011 Dumb question? What "Junior" Steinbrenner is the 'new boss' Hank or Hal? I am serious. Hal runs the show now..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted July 19, 2011 Share #631 Posted July 19, 2011 yeah, Hank just runs his mouth. Hal makes most of the decisions of the two - thank god. They better not. Look what happened with Soriano and Cashman didn't want to sign him, Randy Levine did. Well sure now we've seen that Soriano's been a bust the first half, but who's idea was it to pick up Feliciano with his 'dead arm'? It's pretty clear the Mets abused him by overusing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted July 20, 2011 Share #632 Posted July 20, 2011 Hal runs the show now..... Intresting. Thanks. And yet for years, George was grooming Hank and not Hal to run the club when he passed on.:eek: Hard to believe George died a year ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomotion69 Posted July 20, 2011 Share #633 Posted July 20, 2011 Has it been already 1 year? I miss "The BOSS", I am sure he is watching the games from the heavens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted July 20, 2011 Share #634 Posted July 20, 2011 :smh: what does Girardi see in Logan? The guy sucks. If he wasn't a lefty, he'd be in the minors or some other team by now. the lefty specialist is so overrated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted July 20, 2011 Share #635 Posted July 20, 2011 :smh: what does Girardi see in Logan? The guy sucks. If he wasn't a lefty, he'd be in the minors or some other team by now. the lefty specialist is so overrated... he aint no lefty specialist... they just call him that s*** b/c he's the only lefty in their pen right now.... Mo is more of a lefty specialist than he is, and Mo's right handed..... I wish they find some other LHP & get rid of him also... I never liked Boone Logan from the beginning.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7LineFan Posted July 20, 2011 Share #636 Posted July 20, 2011 It wasn't based solely on proximity. Think about this: The Angels are gone, or turned into a AAA team. Attendence increases for the Dodgers and the Padres as a result. Dodgers and Padres start filling out stadium for once. As Shortline said, due to the lack of football, LA citizens have no one to turn to but baseball. Take out one option, you benefit the other two. The Cubs and the White Sox have a healthy rivalry, but Shortline wants to take them out. The Sox have decades, no, a century of history, what have the Angels done other than a few playoff appearances and an artificial fan base? Nada. As I said before, moving the White Sox would be ludicrous. The Sox have a century of history since their inception. There is no way that they will ever be contracted, Obama completely aside. What will you say to the die-hard White Sox fans when they leave? It's not happening in our lifetimes, if ever. Ther at least is some respect for rival teams in LA, and Angel fans would happily go over to the Padres or Dodgers. Eliminating the Angels makes waaay more sense than eliminating the White Sox or Rays. Lets see SISubway have you been ever to Calif? And of yes the Angels won the 2002 world series. Maybe they been one of the best run teams in MLB in last decade. And news flash why SIsubway you avoiding the Frank McCourt train wreck that turning younger LA area fans into Angels fans. This season so far ranks as the worst year of attendence for the Dodgers since they moved to Dodger Stadium in 1962.Not to mention in recent polls the Angels have overtaken the Dodgers as the LA area #2 most popular pro sports team after the Lakers. Why move the 'hottest and most popular MLB team' in Southern Calif right now SI Subway? I only agree that Southern Calif sports fans are among the least passionate in America. Only other 'worst sports' towns in US is in no order, Atlanta, Miami and Houston. And seriously it's doubtful Angel fans will switch to being Padres or Dodgers fans. There been '3' teams in Southern Calif since 1969. Before the Padres got Petco Park, maybe you have a case but not until 2030 at earliest could the Dodgers Padres and Angels more. And while proposing the White Sox leaving Chicago also sounds silly and never happen at least for many years, at least it has more merit now in 2011 than your the Angels leaving Anaheim. During the White Sox 2005 world series run, none of their playoff games sold out until the fall classic. The Cubs will always be the #1 more popular club in the windy city. As late as 2009, the Angels and Dodgers combined draw 5 million fans, something the '2' NYC MLB clubs had done maybe a couple of times every. Sounds as great as your insane move the Phillies to the AL East SISubway. Thought you were smarter than that. PS My Mom and Sister lives in San Diego (my sister moved out 15 years ago) and i been to Angels Stadium and Petco so i know what i am talking about. Now young man still want to move the Angels after my comments. Even 7line and most of the other MLB fans on here will agree with me. Thank you Shortline. Put it this way. When the Giants and Dodgers moved out west, did all their fans become Yankee fans because the Yankees were the only club in town? No. They pushed for a National League team to come to New York. That's why your Mets are here today. And btw, the Angels are celebrating their 50th anniversary this year. Decades of history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted July 20, 2011 Share #637 Posted July 20, 2011 he aint no lefty specialist... they just call him that s*** b/c he's the only lefty in their pen right now.... Mo is more of a lefty specialist than he is, and Mo's right handed..... I wish they find some other LHP & get rid of him also... I never liked Boone Logan from the beginning.... Yup, I mean the whole need for a lefty in the pen is friggin overrated. Pitchers should get ppl out no matter which way they hit. relievers should finish at least an inning rather than be pulled after pitching to one batter or such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted July 20, 2011 Share #638 Posted July 20, 2011 Anyone surprised about fact the Pittsburgh Pirates are in 1st place in NL Central? I think they may win it.:eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20 Dundalk Posted July 20, 2011 Share #639 Posted July 20, 2011 Texas Rangers 12 in a row!!!!!!!!!!! just beat the Angels 7-0:tup: 5 game lead over Anaheim in the AL west:tup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alejr88 Posted July 20, 2011 Share #640 Posted July 20, 2011 yeah, Hank just runs his mouth. Hal makes most of the decisions of the two - thank god. Well sure now we've seen that Soriano's been a bust the first half, but who's idea was it to pick up Feliciano with his 'dead arm'? It's pretty clear the Mets abused him by overusing him. It was Cashman who signed him. Don't understand that move at all. Cash has made terrible moves too especially the Igawa signing. They're paying that guy like 4-5 million to pitch in New Jersey!! Lets not forget Pavano, Wright, marte etc. I don't count 1 yr deals because it is only one year: Chan Ho park 2010 Vazquez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted July 20, 2011 Share #641 Posted July 20, 2011 exactly, Cashman has made mistakes in the past. He's very lucky this year the 'retreads' have done better than expected. I've always thought he should've taken Ted Lilly back [even if it meant going over the luxury tax limit] over Igawa. Lilly was dependable and never should've been traded for Jeff Weaver, and then leading to Kevin Brown. What I don't get is if they are paying Igawa that much to be a AAA pitcher, why not let him be a long reliever up here? Is he really that much worse over boone Logan or Mitre? Oh lord, 'Pain'vano, Wright, Karsay, Marte... pitchers that just couldn't cut it. 2010 Vazquez, I still stand by the initial idea of a 200+ innings guy as a smart move for basically a spare outfielder in Melky Cabrerra. And they guy did seem genuinely happy to be given a 2nd chance to prove himself - he did have a good first half in 2004. I didn't think the guy was going to implode the way he did. My biggest disappointment [though not Cashman's fault] is Wang, if not for that injury in Houston for running the bases, maybe he would still be pitching here. Now I have no idea where he is and if he'll ever recover the form that made him a solid 18/19 game winner twice. - This is why I DESPISE Interleague. You have AL pitchers not used to NL rules. Both leagues should go DH only or pitchers must bat. The division on this issue should be abolished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted July 20, 2011 Share #642 Posted July 20, 2011 ^^ Wang is w/ the Nationals..... it's where all the reject Yankees seem to go.... Bruney, Clippard, Wang, (Nick) Johnson, Gaudin.... gaudin, wang, and clippard are still there.... bruney's now on the white sox, and nick johnson (last I heard) is in cleveland.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeesPwnMets Posted July 20, 2011 Share #643 Posted July 20, 2011 The NL needs to get up with times. Interleague good in my opinion, because we see match ups that we won't normally see, but the pitcher batting rule is pathetic. If the NL wants their pitchers to bat so badly, then when the AL visits they should just keep their rules and DH while the NL team goes ahead and use their .185 batting pitcher Also, I can't imagine the Yanks winning with this if they play against the Giants: Sabathia vs. Lincecum Burnett vs. Cain Hughes vs Vogelsong Colon/Garcia vs Bumgarner or Phillies: Sabathia vs. Halladay Burnett vs. Lee Hughes vs. Hamels Colon/Garcia vs. Oswalt I think Cashman gotta be shitting on himself he thinks the Yanks can win facing this -edit- In addition, I don't believe Seattle will be contenders this season. They just lost 10 straight, Texas has won 12 straight, and I don't see them having enough firepower to beat Texas for the division or beat the Yankees for the wild card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Subway Posted July 20, 2011 Share #644 Posted July 20, 2011 Lets see SISubway have you been ever to Calif? And of yes the Angels won the 2002 world series. Maybe they been one of the best run teams in MLB in last decade. And news flash why SIsubway you avoiding the Frank McCourt train wreck that turning younger LA area fans into Angels fans. This season so far ranks as the worst year of attendence for the Dodgers since they moved to Dodger Stadium in 1962.Not to mention in recent polls the Angels have overtaken the Dodgers as the LA area #2 most popular pro sports team after the Lakers. Why move the 'hottest and most popular MLB team' in Southern Calif right now SI Subway? I only agree that Southern Calif sports fans are among the least passionate in America. Only other 'worst sports' towns in US is in no order, Atlanta, Miami and Houston. And seriously it's doubtful Angel fans will switch to being Padres or Dodgers fans. There been '3' teams in Southern Calif since 1969. Before the Padres got Petco Park, maybe you have a case but not until 2030 at earliest could the Dodgers Padres and Angels more. And while proposing the White Sox leaving Chicago also sounds silly and never happen at least for many years, at least it has more merit now in 2011 than your the Angels leaving Anaheim. During the White Sox 2005 world series run, none of their playoff games sold out until the fall classic. The Cubs will always be the #1 more popular club in the windy city. As late as 2009, the Angels and Dodgers combined draw 5 million fans, something the '2' NYC MLB clubs had done maybe a couple of times every. Sounds as great as your insane move the Phillies to the AL East SISubway. Thought you were smarter than that. PS My Mom and Sister lives in San Diego (my sister moved out 15 years ago) and i been to Angels Stadium and Petco so i know what i am talking about. Now young man still want to move the Angels after my comments. Even 7line and most of the other MLB fans on here will agree with me. Okay, let's agree to disagree. How about another idea: eliminate the Dodgers instead. That way there is one AL and one NL team in Southern California. You said it yourself, the Dodgers are no longer the top team in the area. Why not put it out of it's misery? Even if he White Sox will remain #2 in Chicago, the fans that they dohave would go nutso if you try to eliminate them. Centuries of history and moments would be lost to eternity, and Sox fans would not have anyone to root for. Remember the 1990 White Sox-to-Tampa fiasco? At least the wide variety and lack of hostility in southern california would cause some fans to switch if necessary. And I still stand by my Phillies to ALE idea. I don't see any disadvantage to it. Thank you Shortline. Put it this way. When the Giants and Dodgers moved out west, did all their fans become Yankee fans because the Yankees were the only club in town? No. They pushed for a National League team to come to New York. That's why your Mets are here today. And btw, the Angels are celebrating their 50th anniversary this year. Decades of history. Again, there is more hostility between the Dodgers/Giants/Mets and Yankees than there is between the Dodgers and Angels. Some fans, not all but some, would oblige to switch if necessary. And the Angels are still not as legendary as the Dodgers or White Sox. Again, what have they done but a few playoff appearances and an artificial fan base? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted July 20, 2011 Share #645 Posted July 20, 2011 Then you go against your own argument SISubway and taking away 100-plus years of Dodgers history one of the histroic clubs not only in North American sports but as a world famous landmark club as well. i.e Jackie Robinson, etc. Dodgers will be fine once Mr. McCourt "exits stages' left. Read your MLB history SIsubway as a young MLB fan and the dodgers have more history than the White Sox. It seems you have a bias against Southern Calif SISubway as only reason you want to get rid of '1' team in the LA area. When both the Angels and Dodgers do well they can get a combined 5-6 million tickets sold something the Yankees and Mets have only done a couple of times ever.In your theory SI Subway lets move the Mets from NYC since they are having attendence problems right now lol.:cool: Not to mention there too many teams in the Northeast US. Again you seem to avoid the question have you been to Southern Calif? if not you should not be making comments on a region you do know. Kind of making a suggestion to extend the (S53) bus to Bayonne without ever riding on it. Just a thought.:eek: Okay, let's agree to disagree. How about another idea: eliminate the Dodgers instead. That way there is one AL and one NL team in Southern California. You said it yourself, the Dodgers are no longer the top team in the area. Why not put it out of it's misery? Even if he White Sox will remain #2 in Chicago, the fans that they dohave would go nutso if you try to eliminate them. Centuries of history and moments would be lost to eternity, and Sox fans would not have anyone to root for. Remember the 1990 White Sox-to-Tampa fiasco? At least the wide variety and lack of hostility in southern california would cause some fans to switch if necessary. And I still stand by my Phillies to ALE idea. I don't see any disadvantage to it. Again, there is more hostility between the Dodgers/Giants/Mets and Yankees than there is between the Dodgers and Angels. Some fans, not all but some, would oblige to switch if necessary. And the Angels are still not as legendary as the Dodgers or White Sox. Again, what have they done but a few playoff appearances and an artificial fan base? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Subway Posted July 20, 2011 Share #646 Posted July 20, 2011 Then you go against your own argument SISubway and taking away 100-plus years of Dodgers history one of the histroic clubs not only in North American sports but as a world famous landmark club as well. i.e Jackie Robinson, etc.Dodgers will be fine once Mr. McCourt "exits stages' left. Read your MLB history SIsubway as a young MLB fan and the dodgers have more history than the White Sox. It seems you have a bias against Southern Calif SISubway as only reason you want to get rid of '1' team in the LA area. When both the Angels and Dodgers do well they can get a combined 5-6 million tickets sold something the Yankees and Mets have only done a couple of times ever.In your theory SI Subway lets move the Mets from NYC since they are having attendence problems right now lol.:cool: Not to mention there too many teams in the Northeast US. Again you seem to avoid the question have you been to Southern Calif? if not you should not be making comments on a region you do know. Kind of making a suggestion to extend the (S53) bus to Bayonne without ever riding on it. Just a thought.:eek: The Northeast US (which streaches from Maine to Maryland and into Pittsburgh) is a larger and more populous region than Southern California. Don't go comparing them. S. Cali would be closer in area and population would be the New England area, and they only have one team. And you seem to have no problem with getting rid of historic teams. Yankeespwnmets already said that former Met fans would go crazy if they ever moved. In fact, they were created to stay. And they have a brand-new state-of-the-art stadium that would be empty. And I'll give an answer to your question, and also a counterquestion: No, I have not been there, but my family has. And the counterquestion: Have you ever been down there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted July 20, 2011 Share #647 Posted July 20, 2011 Let see. I been to a Padres game last August in 2010 vs the Pirates at Petco. Been to Angels stadium 2x most recent in 2003. And been to Staples Center for a NHL Kings and NBA Clippers game separtely. Lakers tickets there a 10 year waiting list for non season ticket holders. My first trip to Southern Calif (San Diego to be exact) was in 1991 maybe before you were born SI subway. I been out there (San Diego)at least 25x times (my sister moved out to San Diego in 1995 and My Mom in 2004 to 'retire')so i know what i am talking about. If you read in earlier comments carefully, I made clear i been to San Diego and to lesser degree LA many times as well. The Northeast US (which streaches from Maine to Maryland and into Pittsburgh) is a larger and more populous region than Southern California. Don't go comparing them. S. Cali would be closer in area and population would be the New England area, and they only have one team. And you seem to have no problem with getting rid of historic teams. Yankeespwnmets already said that former Met fans would go crazy if they ever moved. In fact, they were created to stay. And they have a brand-new state-of-the-art stadium that would be empty. And I'll give an answer to your question, and also a counterquestion: No, I have not been there, but my family has. And the counterquestion: Have you ever been down there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7LineFan Posted July 20, 2011 Share #648 Posted July 20, 2011 The Northeast US (which streaches from Maine to Maryland and into Pittsburgh) is a larger and more populous region than Southern California. Don't go comparing them. S. Cali would be closer in area and population would be the New England area, and they only have one team. And you seem to have no problem with getting rid of historic teams. Yankeespwnmets already said that former Met fans would go crazy if they ever moved. In fact, they were created to stay. And they have a brand-new state-of-the-art stadium that would be empty. And you don't think fans of the Angels or Dodgers would do the same if their team moved or was contracted? Look at what happened when the Dodgers and Giants moved from New York. A few playoff appearances? The Angels won the World Series in 2002 if that counts for anything. But apparently that and 50 years of history don't. Let me repeat: Phillies to ALE makes the ALE too crowded. Let them dominate the NLE for all I care. We don't need four powerhouse teams in one division. And through all this, there is one big question that has not been asked. SISubway, you've said that you want to get rid of one team. One team. You get rid of one team, and now there are an odd number of teams in baseball. That odd team out is going to have to sit idle for three days and no one likes that. What are you gonna do about it? There's a reason that MLB has always talked about contracting teams in pairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Subway Posted July 20, 2011 Share #649 Posted July 20, 2011 And you don't think fans of the Angels or Dodgers would do the same if their team moved or was contracted? Look at what happened when the Dodgers and Giants moved from New York. A few playoff appearances? The Angels won the World Series in 2002 if that counts for anything. But apparently that and 50 years of history don't. Let me repeat: Phillies to ALE makes the ALE too crowded. Let them dominate the NLE for all I care. We don't need four powerhouse teams in one division. And through all this, there is one big question that has not been asked. SISubway, you've said that you want to get rid of one team. One team. You get rid of one team, and now there are an odd number of teams in baseball. That odd team out is going to have to sit idle for three days and no one likes that. What are you gonna do about it? There's a reason that MLB has always talked about contracting teams in pairs. No, I said that the Angels and the Nationals would be contracted, if you remember. No one said anything about the Nationals, so it was pretty much forgotten. And the reason I want the Phils in the ALE is so that the Yankees, Boston, and Phils would not beultra-dominating. And I would move teams to accomodate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7LineFan Posted July 20, 2011 Share #650 Posted July 20, 2011 No, I said that the Angels and the Nationals would be contracted, if you remember. No one said anything about the Nationals, so it was pretty much forgotten. And the reason I want the Phils in the ALE is so that the Yankees, Boston, and Phils would not beultra-dominating. And I would move teams to accomodate. 36 games against division rivals isn't going to make much of a difference in dominance. If they still crush the rest of the league they're still dominant. They don't balance each other out. The Phillies could lose all 18 of their games to the Mets (fat chance), but if they beat everyone else, they're gonna be the ones in first. My candidates would have been the Rays (before they started doing well) and the Marlins (before they got a new stadium). One World Series for the Marlins, like the Angels, but attendance for them is way down (can't say the same for the Angels), and the Rays aren't even drawing large crowds now even though they're in contention. The Rays could always be moved before they get a new stadium (although St. Petersburg is going to do everything they can to keep them there). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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