Ridership help; Data on Manhattan Local Bus and Queens Express Routes.

[qjtransitmaster]

I am curious about certain rtes and would like ridership numbers on these rtes QM3,X64,BXM4,BM4 AND QM18. Also how many of you have done bus runs on the M20???? I have seen several run by during RUSH HOUR ALMOST EMPTY!!!!! everyone I ask about manhattan buses and I get the same answer "why do buses run in manhattan??" Is ridership data on some manhattan buses inaccurate and modified to look better or does the tourist season make up the bulk of ridership??

 

I want to know if the M20 has more than 10 ppl per trip?? after 7pm you would see more ppl on an MTA LIB rte than on M20?? so someone plz clarify this and give me ridership figures on those express buses that I listed.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

I am curious about certain rtes and would like ridership numbers on these rtes QM3,X64,BXM4,BM4 AND QM18. Also how many of you have done bus runs on the M20???? I have seen several run by during RUSH HOUR ALMOST EMPTY!!!!! everyone I ask about manhattan buses and I get the same answer "why do buses run in manhattan??" Is ridership data on some manhattan buses inaccurate and modified to look better or does the tourist season make up the bulk of ridership??

 

I want to know if the M20 has more than 10 ppl per trip?? after 7pm you would see more ppl on an MTA LIB rte than on M20?? so someone plz clarify this and give me ridership figures on those express buses that I listed.

 

The (M20) has been discussed in another thread. I've used it on occasion and it is extremely slow and delayed. You're better off taking the subway, as even short distances (say 28th & 7th to 14th & 7th) take forever.

 

Ridership on the line can vary though. It can get decent usage at times, so I can't see it being eliminated, esp. now that it serves South Ferry.

 

The BM4 has also been discussed. It is needed because it serves more isolated areas of Southern Brooklyn like Gerritsen Beach and parts of Marine Park. Aside from that, they've already reduced weekend service significantly on the BM1 - BM4 on Saturdays cutting back service on the BM1 - BM3s heading back to the city with the last run now being at 19:20 instead of 22:20. That's 9 runs eliminated right there and since I used to take the last BM3 (the 22:20) from Sheepshead Bay on Saturdays I wouldn't be in favour of anymore cuts to it.

 

The BM4 stops running from Gerritsen Beach at 17:50 on Saturdays and stops running to Gerritsen Beach at 19:20, so there isn't too much more to cut.

[Cait Sith]

The M20 is a shit route, drivers purposely drive slow to meet with the schedule plus its a traffic-ridden route. Ridership, like Via G said, varies. Some trips got decent ridership and other trips are rather empty. There is no chance in hell for that line to get axed since its the only line to and from Battery Park that serves South Ferry and the other connecting lines nearby.

 

They were better off sending the M9 down there via City Hall. For it to come back uptown, it would follow the M5 up to Park Place and make a right, right onto Broadway & a left onto Park Row, the same way the express routes do it.

 

The BM4 also varies during the weekday and weekends.

 

The QM3, I'm always around the first stop in Manhattan and since it starts at Lexington Avenue, it does pick up a decent amount of passengers. Everytime I see the trips, its always at least 80% of the bus filled up. The QM3 has interlined trips with the QM2/A & QM4.

 

QM18, same situation as the QM3, its a relief route for passengers who dont want to take the line into South Ozone Park/South Richmond Hill. Ridership has its ups and downs but the amount of trips per bus makes up for it.

[qjtransitmaster]

:tup:

The M20 is a shit route, drivers purposely drive slow to meet with the schedule plus its a traffic-ridden route. Ridership, like Via G said, varies. Some trips got decent ridership and other trips are rather empty. There is no chance in hell for that line to get axed since its the only line to and from Battery Park that serves South Ferry and the other connecting lines nearby.

 

They were better off sending the M9 down there via City Hall. For it to come back uptown, it would follow the M5 up to Park Place and make a right, right onto Broadway & a left onto Park Row, the same way the express routes do it.

 

The BM4 also varies during the weekday and weekends.

 

The QM3, I'm always around the first stop in Manhattan and since it starts at Lexington Avenue, it does pick up a decent amount of passengers. Everytime I see the trips, its always at least 80% of the bus filled up. The QM3 has interlined trips with the QM2/A & QM4. thank you now I have a better I dea of how they work but ur saying the QM2 to manhattan turns to QM3 O I see that was what killed my plan ok I will account for that but detail how do they exactly interline?? the QM3 and 2a and 4

 

QM18, same situation as the QM3, its a relief route for passengers who dont want to take the line into South Ozone Park/South Richmond Hill. Ridership has its ups and downs but the amount of trips per bus makes up for it.

[Amtrak7]

Ridership data:

 

NYCT

MTA Bus

 

Note that ridership per trip is merely daily ridership divided by scheduled trips. It has nothing to do with ridership by time of day.

[Cait Sith]

@qjttransitmaster : The first QM3 turns into a QM4, the 2nd QM3 turns into a QM2/A, its either the QM2 or the QM2A according to the run & time.

[qjtransitmaster]

WOW I thought I was the only one who thought M20 was a shit rte nice to know I am not alone

 

The M20 is a shit route, drivers purposely drive slow to meet with the schedule plus its a traffic-ridden route. Ridership, like Via G said, varies. Some trips got decent ridership and other trips are rather empty. There is no chance in hell for that line to get axed since its the only line to and from Battery Park that serves South Ferry and the other connecting lines nearby.

 

They were better off sending the M9 down there via City Hall. For it to come back uptown, it would follow the M5 up to Park Place and make a right, right onto Broadway & a left onto Park Row, the same way the express routes do it.

 

The BM4 also varies during the weekday and weekends.

 

The QM3, I'm always around the first stop in Manhattan and since it starts at Lexington Avenue, it does pick up a decent amount of passengers. Everytime I see the trips, its always at least 80% of the bus filled up. The QM3 has interlined trips with the QM2/A & QM4.

 

QM18, same situation as the QM3, its a relief route for passengers who dont want to take the line into South Ozone Park/South Richmond Hill. Ridership has its ups and downs but the amount of trips per bus makes up for it.

[MHV9218]

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[qjtransitmaster]

What are you talking about? Manhattan has enormous bus ridership including the most-ridden routes of the entire city between the M101-M102-M103 and the M15-M15 SBS. And on top of that, then you have tourist season adding to those numbers.

 

Why do buses run in Manhattan? Who in god's name are you asking that they reply that. We're not all rich, and many of us commute through the city, or to the city. We need the buses, and the ridership here is immense.

 

 

 

Yeah, that last point is right. If you want to get down to BPC that's your only option, since even the train doesn't go west of the highway. I used to work down literally at the most westerly point, and I used the M20 to commute. Depending on time of day it's really not that bad a route. Midday you've got all the school kids since Tribeca basically a family area, rush hour it's godawful, but then at night it's phenomenal. I've been on there with a few B/Os who just drove with the traffic, and the streets were empty. We went from Chambers to Christopher IINM...

I was referring only to certain routes the I know about the huge overall ridership however I know that 101-103 and M15 SBS are the most ridden when I said empty buses you notice I DID NOT MENTION THE ROUTES YOU MENTIONED??

 

Most of the rtes are multi purpose long distance runs.

[qjtransitmaster]

@qjttransitmaster : The first QM3 turns into a QM4, the 2nd QM3 turns into a QM2/A, its either the QM2 or the QM2A according to the run & time.

 

DO SI express buses interline or bronx ones?? And BM rtes too do they interline??

 

That was why my express plan wouldnt work in the current form. It was presented not that it was even detailed enough to address this.

[Cait Sith]

DO SI express buses interline or bronx ones?? And BM rtes too do they interline??

 

That was why my express plan wouldnt work in the current form. It was presented not that it was even detailed enough to address this.

 

Every express bus line in the five boroughs has an interlined run with another route, that of course depends on the run. You'd see x15s turn into x1s or 17Cs, BxM7s to BxM7As or BxM4s to BxM1s and so on.

 

I was referring only to certain routes the I know about the huge overall ridership however I know that 101-103 and M15 SBS are the most ridden when I said empty buses you notice I DID NOT MENTION THE ROUTES YOU MENTIONED??

 

Most of the rtes are multi purpose long distance runs.

 

The only problem with that is there are barely any routes that have "empty buses" in Manhattan. MHV9218 is correct with what he said, almost every route in Manhattan has a lot of passengers from day to night. Ridership is high in the borough.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

DO SI express buses interline or bronx ones?? And BM rtes too do they interline??

 

That was why my express plan wouldnt work in the current form. It was presented not that it was even detailed enough to address this.

 

On the weekends, I think the BMs interline less so. A BM3 usually remains a BM3 since the driver I get going to Brooklyn I usually get going back to the city. It probably has to do with the fact that the BMs run only once an hour.

[B35 via Church]

WOW I thought I was the only one who thought M20 was a shit rte nice to know I am not alone

 

http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=390322&postcount=13

 

you (QJT) & Cait aren't the only ones that feel the M20 is pure horshit....

(purposefully spelled that way)

 

 

The QM3, I'm always around the first stop in Manhattan and since it starts at Lexington Avenue, it does pick up a decent amount of passengers. Everytime I see the trips, its always at least 80% of the bus filled up. The QM3 has interlined trips with the QM2/A & QM4.

 

The QM3 starts over there right around the corner from where the (6th av branch) QM2/a's do, on 35th st....

 

anyway, hell w/ 4/5ths full...

I have yet to see a QM3 with more than 5 people on it !

of course, these are Queens bound buses I'm talkin about... don't know about the AM (inbound) trips...

[Cait Sith]

http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=390322&postcount=13

 

you (QJT) & Cait aren't the only ones that feel the M20 is pure horshit....

(purposefully spelled that way)

 

 

 

 

The QM3 starts over there right around the corner from where the (6th av branch) QM2/a's do, on 35th st....

 

anyway, hell w/ 4/5ths full...

I have yet to see a QM3 with more than 5 people on it !

of course, these are Queens bound buses I'm talkin about... don't know about the AM (inbound) trips...

 

Lately the 2nd trip is what gets a lot of peeps, the first one isnt all that huge

[Amtrak7]

anyway, hell w/ 4/5ths full...

I have yet to see a QM3 with more than 5 people on it !

of course, these are Queens bound buses I'm talkin about... don't know about the AM (inbound) trips...

 

It's true that AM express bus ridership is higher than PM ridership... for non-SI routes it can be a huge difference.

[checkmatechamp13]

I would assume that it is because you have the people going to work. A person who is going to be late for work (or who just wants to get there fast as possible, or needs the extra sleep) will take an express bus. Going back when they are less pressed for time, they'll take the subway and/or local bus.

[Amtrak7]

I would assume that it is because you have the people going to work. A person who is going to be late for work (or who just wants to get there fast as possible, or needs the extra sleep) will take an express bus. Going back when they are less pressed for time, they'll take the subway and/or local bus.

 

Correct.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

Correct.

 

Overall though, the express bus riders usually take the express bus to and from work, particularly the regulars. I often will see the same people I ride into work with during the evening rush. Most of the X30/X14 riders do what I do, which is take the X30 in and the X14 back since the X30 is usually quicker going in and less crowded and vice versa on the X14.

[checkmatechamp13]

I wasn't implying that the majority of the express bus riders do what I described: I just gave a reason why ridership is lower in the afternoon.

 

But you do have a point about the Staten Island routes: Ridership is fairly constant because it drastically cuts down on the commute times (whereas in the other boroughs, the time savings aren't as significant: It is the comfort of the trip that makes it attractive). A trip from Midtown to Mariners' Harbor or Graniteville takes twice as long taking the ferry and S98 vs. taking the X30.

[qjtransitmaster]

http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=390322&postcount=13

 

you (QJT) & Cait aren't the only ones that feel the M20 is pure horshit....

(purposefully spelled that way)

 

 

 

 

The QM3 starts over there right around the corner from where the (6th av branch) QM2/a's do, on 35th st....

 

anyway, hell w/ 4/5ths full...

I have yet to see a QM3 with more than 5 people on it !

of course, these are Queens bound buses I'm talkin about... don't know about the AM (inbound) trips...

Actually that was why I thought it should get eliminated the QM3. As those ppl could take LIRR for 193 per month then let the Q46 glen oaks extend at rush to accomidate rush hour ppl getting to little neck or the main branch itself via lakeville road which is traffic ridden to greak neck. Should it go?? u ppl keep arguing over routes it confuses me

[qjtransitmaster]

It's true that AM express bus ridership is higher than PM ridership... for non-SI routes it can be a huge difference.

 

cause PM buses USE NORTHERN BLVD OR WORSE QUEENS BLVD BOTH ARE SLOW!!! When the LIRR is more frequent I am surprised QM3 even had ppl on it let alone the x64 and 63 but it must be due to linden blvd though some parts are unique to the express bus in queens

[B35 via Church]

I would assume that it is because you have the people going to work. A person who is going to be late for work (or who just wants to get there fast as possible, or needs the extra sleep) will take an express bus. Going back when they are less pressed for time, they'll take the subway and/or local bus.

 

not if they have children....

 

Actually that was why I thought it should get eliminated the QM3. As those ppl could take LIRR for 193 per month then let the Q46 glen oaks extend at rush to accomidate rush hour ppl getting to little neck or the main branch itself via lakeville road which is traffic ridden to greak neck. Should it go?? u ppl keep arguing over routes it confuses me

 

That's like throwing up a debatable topic, then askin people not to argue....

we keep arguing over routes...

 

Anyway, IMO, the QM3 should've been gone a long time ago....

[Via Garibaldi 8]

Actually that was why I thought it should get eliminated the QM3. As those ppl could take LIRR for 193 per month then let the Q46 glen oaks extend at rush to accomidate rush hour ppl getting to little neck or the main branch itself via lakeville road which is traffic ridden to greak neck. Should it go?? u ppl keep arguing over routes it confuses me

 

No, it should stay. Some people prefer the QM3 over the LIRR and they don't care about the cost. Just like me, I don't care about what the express bus costs compared to the subway. I use it because it's generally fast, cleaner and a much more comfortable ride. I'm personally not that wild about the LIRR. I find the seats extremely uncomfortable, so if I had a choice between the QM3 and the LIRR I'd use the QM3, just like I used to take the QM1 over the subway when going to and from Queens.

[FamousNYLover]

I remember before June 27th, 2010 service cut, X25 with male B/O who did not come back on X25 run after 9-11, and he was transfer to cover Brooklyn express bus after Grand Central last stop, because he told me "Express bus got broke down, so he have to cover. So he escorted me to Madison Av for Madison Av bus.

[Amtrak7]

Overall though, the express bus riders usually take the express bus to and from work, particularly the regulars. I often will see the same people I ride into work with during the evening rush. Most of the X30/X14 riders do what I do, which is take the X30 in and the X14 back since the X30 is usually quicker going in and less crowded and vice versa on the X14.

 

Notice I said non-SI routes.

 

cause PM buses USE NORTHERN BLVD OR WORSE QUEENS BLVD BOTH ARE SLOW!!!

 

Why do they do that?

 

As for using the LIRR as an alternate, not everyone works within walking distance of NYP and thus would need another MetroCard.