SUBWAY - Random Thoughts Topic

[Bosco]

10 hours ago, Ntrainfave said:

Could R46s ever be displaced on the  and  lines? It would actually make sense and be much easier to switch from one to the other at Ditmars since they are half-digital. 

If the Jamaica/Coney Island swap materializes (to make Jamaica 100% R160), then they will have to run R46s on the .

[Calvin]

9443-9447 Jamaica Yard to Coney Island Yard

[FlushingExpress]

22 hours ago, Ntrainfave said:

Could R46s ever be displaced on the  and  lines? It would actually make sense and be much easier to switch from one to the other at Ditmars since they are half-digital. 

 

11 hours ago, Bosco said:

If the Jamaica/Coney Island swap materializes (to make Jamaica 100% R160), then they will have to run R46s on the .

Unlikely to happen, there will be enough R211s in service to retire Jamaica's R46s or send them to Pitkin by the time CBTC is ready on Queens Boulevard, plus N/W riders will be furious to see their new cars replaced by old 40+ year old junks. The N and W only use a few sets of R68/68As and the rollsign thing isn't really that bad. The B and 6 got the same issues and no one ever talks about them.

[RR503]

While I agree the rollsign thing isn’t the end of the world, neither the B nor 6 are comparable. Both have dedicated fleets/terminals. 

[darkstar8983]

8 hours ago, Calvin said:

9443-9447 Jamaica Yard to Coney Island Yard

Pretty much it’s to ensure that Coney Island Yard doesn’t end up short on subway cars while 10 of its cars are temporarily on the  for the standing room pilot. Day before yesterday one of the “Jamaica R160s” made a run on the . 9472-9468 was part of the set.

likely they chose Coney Island cars to retrofit so that way not too many of Jamaica’s R160s would be out of service during the makeover and to start the conversion as fast as they could. Likely after the pilot cars have been converted, 9133-9137 and 9158-9162 will be returned to Coney Island Yard and 9223-9232 will also be transferred from Jamaica to Coney Island to prepare for the November pick

[Bosco]

2 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

Pretty much it’s to ensure that Coney Island Yard doesn’t end up short on subway cars while 10 of its cars are temporarily on the  for the standing room pilot. Day before yesterday one of the “Jamaica R160s” made a run on the . 9472-9468 was part of the set.

likely they chose Coney Island cars to retrofit so that way not too many of Jamaica’s R160s would be out of service during the makeover and to start the conversion as fast as they could. Likely after the pilot cars have been converted, 9133-9137 and 9158-9162 will be returned to Coney Island Yard and 9223-9232 will also be transferred from Jamaica to Coney Island to prepare for the November pick

I also recall seeing a 945X or 946X on the Q yesterday.  Don't remember the exact number.  The MTA (or at least Emperor Cuomo) want 10 Cuomo trains by the end of the month, so it's not surprising that at least one will be a Coney Island set.

 

11 hours ago, FlushingExpress said:

 

Unlikely to happen, there will be enough R211s in service to retire Jamaica's R46s or send them to Pitkin by the time CBTC is ready on Queens Boulevard, plus N/W riders will be furious to see their new cars replaced by old 40+ year old junks. The N and W only use a few sets of R68/68As and the rollsign thing isn't really that bad. The B and 6 got the same issues and no one ever talks about them.

While I agree that we should just wait for the R211s (although they won't start coming in en masse for another 4-5 years if all goes well), it is something that has been floated around and can't be ruled out.  Some rumors go nowhere, others wind up materializing.  Let's wait and see.  If the R179 can catch up a little (not likely), it might sway things also.

[Lawrence St]

I can't believe we are actually wasting money and resources on cars like this for a stupid standing room pilot and fancy colors. Sure, let's take more R160's out of service for this stupid pilot when we're in the midst of a car shortage.

 

We should instead be using the money to fix the system.

[Lance]

These are short-term fixes. Obviously, they need to focus on the long-term solutions, but those take longer and require a much larger investment than things like removing a couple of seats and changing the grab bars. Also, the seat removal is in part due to the car shortage. I agree the rolling nurseries need to go though.

Edited October 12, 2017 by Lance

[Porter]

A bit premature of Google?

[RR503]

MTA feeds google data about the system via GTFS, GIS data, etc so not google’s fault.

I’m sure someone else could explain in more detail. 

Edited October 12, 2017 by RR503

[RestrictOnTheHanger]

Anyone else notice the QBL express is slower during the pm rush going Jamaica bound? Especially between Roosevelt and Forest Hills. Did they activate the new signals at and around 71 Ave?

[Porter]

Just a random question:

Do you think it would have been feasible to have had the terminate at Chambers Street from 9/12/01 until sometime next year? Like, what if the new South Ferry station were built in anticipation of the Cortlandt Street station reopening, with the Rector Street station being temporarily shuttered unchanged, and the old loop station never reopening. Then, having all three of the southern-most  stations reopen for the first time since 9/11 at the same time. Would the and have been sufficient to deliver commuters to and from the ferry terminal for over seventeen years? Was this option ever on the table after the attacks, perhaps to speed up the reconstruction process and save money?

Edited October 13, 2017 by Skipper

[Far rockaway]

25 minutes ago, RestrictOnTheHanger said:

Anyone else notice the QBL express is slower during the pm rush going Jamaica bound? Especially between Roosevelt and Forest Hills. Did they activate the new signals at and around 71 Ave?

yes i have been noticing that lately. Everytime the train always slows down when it approaches the 71st ave station.

[Far rockaway]

how many train sets of r46's appear on the F line because i been noticing more r46's popping up on that line.

[RestrictOnTheHanger]

4 minutes ago, Far rockaway said:

yes i have been noticing that lately. Everytime the train always slows down when it approaches the 71st ave station.

I've noticed that even with the old signal system the trains would slow down around 67th Ave if a train was at 71st. So its a bit slow into 71st during the rush. But the past few days its been slow past Grand Ave and 63rd as well

[RR503]

1 hour ago, RestrictOnTheHanger said:

I've noticed that even with the old signal system the trains would slow down around 67th Ave if a train was at 71st. So its a bit slow into 71st during the rush. But the past few days its been slow past Grand Ave and 63rd as well

If you look out the front and see if there actually are new timers, I can look into it for you. 

[darkstar8983]

On 10/11/2017 at 10:37 PM, Calvin said:

9443-9447 Jamaica Yard to Coney Island Yard

Also 9448-9452 is attached to that set. The continuous set (9442-9452) ran on the  this evening for the PM Rush while the 9468-9472-9482-9478 was on the . 

Edited October 13, 2017 by darkstar8983

[darkstar8983]

1 hour ago, Far rockaway said:

how many train sets of r46's appear on the F line because i been noticing more r46's popping up on that line.

Typically its supposed to be 7-10 train sets of R46s on the  and 35 R160 trains, but with the "Cuomo-decorating" on the R160s, it is causing a shortage of available R160s in Jamaica and Coney Island, so additional R46s are needed for the  and Jamaica's R160s are sent to Coney Island due to literally NO available spare cars (outside the low spare factor) for the      lines.

[Calvin]

Also, the Second Ave line will be adding more trains b/c of this and accommodating more riders during the rush. 

Edited October 13, 2017 by Calvin

[Porter]

2 hours ago, D to 96 St said:

 can't terminate at Chambers cuz it would hold up  trains heading to Bklyn. It is the only track  trains can use going to Bklyn, so the  would've permanently run to new lots til 2018. So, no. 

Then, do you think it would have been feasible to run the out to New Lots from late 2001 until late 2018? Would the have been insufficient to serve South Ferry?

[Calvin]

Set 4 with the Cuomo wrap: 8325-8328 with 8337-8340

[MysteriousBtrain]

5 minutes ago, Calvin said:

Set 4 with the Cuomo wrap: 8325-8328 with 8337-8340

He's taking some of the ENY sets too?

 

Actually that kind of makes sense since the was talked about earlier.

Edited October 13, 2017 by MysteriousBtrain

[GreatOne2k]

The  extension to/from Bowling Green on Friday evenings (10:13/11:26, 10:26/11:40, 10:38/11:55, 10:48/12:05) should be made permanent. It helps get people off the  train, which is still crowded after 11pm.

 

MTA should also extend the 4:02, 4:22, and 4:42 to/from Bowling Green on Monday mornings instead of running those trains to E 180 St, keeps the  running  continuously (no more than 20-22 minute gap in service) and plugs the gap in service between E 180 St and Bowling Green. There is currently a gap in service  at E 180 St towards Manhattan (last '5' at 4:10am, first  at 5:12am). There is also gap at Bowling Green towards the Bronx (last '5' at 4:57am, first  at 6:18am). The extended service would leave Bowling Green at 5:17, 5:37, and 5:59 (there is a  train scheduled to leave Bowling Green at 5:57)

 

They already do this on Friday nights, why not Monday mornings, they did it in 2011. When the Dyre line is shut down, they already run extra '2' trains from E 180 St to South Ferry at 4:19 and 4:39 on Monday mornings so  crews are running as the '2' from South Ferry on some Mondays until around 5:44am.  This is after the begins going to/from Brooklyn. 

Normally the last '2' to reach E 180 St toward South Ferry on Monday is at 3:57am and the last '2' to leave South Ferry back towards Dyre Avenue is at 5:02am. Seems like MTA would rather run both the  and '2' on the 7th Avenue Local together between 4:30am and 6:30am instead of running the  on the Lexington Avenue Express after the '5' stops running.

[Lance]

8 hours ago, Skipper said:

Just a random question:

Do you think it would have been feasible to have had the terminate at Chambers Street from 9/12/01 until sometime next year? Like, what if the new South Ferry station were built in anticipation of the Cortlandt Street station reopening, with the Rector Street station being temporarily shuttered unchanged, and the old loop station never reopening. Then, having all three of the southern-most  stations reopen for the first time since 9/11 at the same time. Would the and have been sufficient to deliver commuters to and from the ferry terminal for over seventeen years? Was this option ever on the table after the attacks, perhaps to speed up the reconstruction process and save money?

No, I don't believe the idea was ever floated. Keeping the 7th Avenue line out of service for that length of time would have put an undue strain on the Broadway line. It didn't matter so much directly following the attacks in 2001, but as time went on and the area recovered from the collapse of the World Trade Center, it would've been infeasible to force riders to use the or trains (depending on when this would occur) when a perfectly usable tunnel is sitting there gathering dust. Also, the fast recovery of the area including the line tunnel was in part to show resiliency following the attacks.  Besides, no one could've predicted it would take the better part of two decades to reopen a station. Alas, that's what happens when two separate agencies are working in the same area concurrently and neither of them can determine who is responsible for what.

Shifting gears, for those wishing to take pictures of the '74 Vignelli map that resurfaced recently, remember 57 Street is closed this weekend.

[RestrictOnTheHanger]

9 hours ago, RR503 said:

If you look out the front and see if there actually are new timers, I can look into it for you. 

I won't be back over there for a while but I ride the 71 Av bound local between Roosevelt and 71st almost every day