Calvin Posted October 27, 2017 Share #16926 Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Ntrainfave said: About how many trains are there on the and lines as of now? And about how many of those are R68/68a ? 22 trains total for the 34 for the : 4-6 R68/As with 28-30 R160 trains Edited October 27, 2017 by Calvin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted October 27, 2017 Share #16927 Posted October 27, 2017 9 hours ago, itmaybeokay said: I do agree that wrapping cars and the "cuomofied station initiative" are utter wastes of time - but I would argue that rolling stock is as important as tracks and signals. Just as it is senseless to buy a new Bentley to drive down a potholed dirt road, it's senseless to eschew the vehicular upgrades, repave the road to autobahn standards, and expect a 50 year old jalopy to perform admirably. The road, the signals, and the rolling stock must all be working in good order. Since car replacement is, seemingly unavoidably, a lengthy proposition, I would argue it is important they continue working on that as they simultaneously work to maintain and update the physical plant. I'm not saying the cars are of greater importance at all, but they're of comparable importance. To a lesser extent, realtime data - not per-se the platform clocks, but the data feeds, are a somewhat important stop-gap measure. Before I leave home or before I leave work, I can check my phone and see if there's a huge gap, or a conga line, which would indicate a problem with more granularity than a service alert. I agree that probably not everyone uses the realtime data like I do and it might be a leap for plently to make the kind of logical leaps but - well - assuming they are working to simultaneously maintain and update the plant, the real-time data is useful in the interim and will be useful going forward. I'm in full agreement that the #1 priority should be tracks and signals though. Perhaps I should have worded my diatribe a little better. I'm not against new fleet purchases. On the contrary as I was a teenager when the R32 " Brightliners" hit the southern BMT and, living in Prospect-Lefferts Gardens with Prospect Park as my home station, I was surrounded by all types of equipment daily. Prior to that I lived in Brownsville and passed through Atlantic Avenue on the Canarsie and the BMT Fulton El lines. Between Atlantic and Broadway Junction/ Eastern Parkway and the yard there was all types of equipment to see. I had a provisional job with NYCT as a RR Porter and worked the Myrtle-Jay line from Jay to Sumner, the decrepit Culver Shuttle, Chambers on the line as well as Gun Hill upper and lower on the WPR line. When I became a M/M years later I worked "work trains" for a year. When you get to see the infrastructure up close and personal over the years your perspective changes completely. I can recall following a n/b at 59th and Lex and seeing sporadic sparks on the roadbed ahead of me. I made it through the area without incident but 24 hours later a train derailed at approximately the same location. I've seen ceilings crash down on tracks and platforms at Nevins St, Franklin Avenue, and all three platforms at the Atlantic Avenue IRT station. Luckily there were no injuries reported at those incidents that I know of. A few years ago IIRC there was a big ceiling collapse Uptown on the line Ask an RTO employee about the tracks and switches in a train yard. Ask them about the condition of may benchwalls around the system. In my personal experience over many decades as a passenger and as an employee I can honestly say that no matter the age of the equipment, or the location, A or B division, I've never thought twice about the safety of the fleets. Infrastructure.... I'm not so sure I have that same confidence anymore. I've also done 10 years in the construction field between stints at Transit doing new and rehab work hands on and I kinda lean toward VG8's opinion that cheap low bid contractors might not always be the way to go. I also don't want to seem like I'm denigrating those who are using tech to keep abreast of the subways and buses. I'm retired and like one of my motor instructors told me 35+ years ago " I don't run for the train, the train runs for me". I told my NYPD brother-in-law that with the introduction of countdown clocks in the IRT the criminal element also knew how long they had to commit their crimes, LOL. FWIW if I'm entering the system at Utica Avenue on the IRT and I'm heading to Downtown Brooklyn or Midtown Manhattan I'm not slowing down to look at my watch, tablet, or a countdown clock but continuing down to the platform and catching the first thing smoking. I don't care if it's a 62, 62A, 142, or 142A I have never cared what model train or bus is coming so, no, I'm not your average railfan. My experience causes me to focus on other things than the average rider does. Just my thoughts. Carry on 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted October 27, 2017 Share #16928 Posted October 27, 2017 11 hours ago, Bosco said: Poor communication is also a big cause of delays. I've been on trains (even newer ones with clearer announcements) on the weekends, where trains will remain in the station for two minutes because the conductor is explaining to everyone about alternatives and such. Each of these problems in aggregate add up to the massive delays with our subway system. There is a good idea for that: Install some RGB LEDs near the FIND and around the doors. Express trains glow red and local trains glow green. During reroutes, these lights could be flashed to indicate a change of service. Red: We’re gonna skip a bunch of stops, so GTFO if you are afraid of being on the wrong train. Green: We’re gonna make all stops to cover for service gaps or a stalled train on the express track. Tough luck if you are in a hurry. Install external and internal digital displays with dynamic strips that show exactly what stations are being served with the name of the next station stop flashing while the doors are open. The paper subway maps are also replaced with dynamic digital displays with live coverage of each train’s location. The announcements can be shortened to just the digital recordings announcing: Quote This train is being rerouted from its normal route. The next stop is… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco Posted October 27, 2017 Share #16929 Posted October 27, 2017 11 hours ago, CenSin said: There is a good idea for that: Install some RGB LEDs near the FIND and around the doors. Express trains glow red and local trains glow green. During reroutes, these lights could be flashed to indicate a change of service. Red: We’re gonna skip a bunch of stops, so GTFO if you are afraid of being on the wrong train. Green: We’re gonna make all stops to cover for service gaps or a stalled train on the express track. Tough luck if you are in a hurry. Install external and internal digital displays with dynamic strips that show exactly what stations are being served with the name of the next station stop flashing while the doors are open. The paper subway maps are also replaced with dynamic digital displays with live coverage of each train’s location. The announcements can be shortened to just the digital recordings announcing: The digital maps are something I hope is put on the R211s. If it doesn't cover where each train or connecting train is, at least it can show reroutes because of construction or other service changes. I also like the idea of bringing back the express/local indicators. The older trains had them and the still has them, so I don't see why this would be a problem. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porter Posted October 27, 2017 Share #16930 Posted October 27, 2017 The second entrance to the 34th Street–Hudson Yards station is actually nearing completion: At the other end up above, the escalators are nearly finished beneath the canopy. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted October 27, 2017 Share #16931 Posted October 27, 2017 9233-9237/9267-9263 is now on the 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interested Rider Posted October 28, 2017 Share #16932 Posted October 28, 2017 Add 9442-9447 to the list for the Q as it was in service as of last Tuesday at 11:30 AM. In fact there were 2 consecutive Q trains with 94 cars five minutes apart on the Q going northbound at that time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted October 29, 2017 Share #16933 Posted October 29, 2017 On the downtown express track at W4th street the T/O punches a button, but there are no switches until Canal St, where they punch again, so whats the point? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted October 29, 2017 Share #16934 Posted October 29, 2017 On 10/26/2017 at 10:46 PM, CenSin said: There is a good idea for that: Install some RGB LEDs near the FIND and around the doors. Express trains glow red and local trains glow green. During reroutes, these lights could be flashed to indicate a change of service. Red: We’re gonna skip a bunch of stops, so GTFO if you are afraid of being on the wrong train. Green: We’re gonna make all stops to cover for service gaps or a stalled train on the express track. Tough luck if you are in a hurry. Install external and internal digital displays with dynamic strips that show exactly what stations are being served with the name of the next station stop flashing while the doors are open. The paper subway maps are also replaced with dynamic digital displays with live coverage of each train’s location. The announcements can be shortened to just the digital recordings announcing: I have a similar idea towards what you have 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted October 29, 2017 Share #16935 Posted October 29, 2017 I have tried to come up with a list for the sets 9108-9112+? 9692-9688+9563-9567 9133-9137+9162-9158 9737-9733+9558-9862 9128-9132+9218-9222 9247-9243+9238-9242 9123-9127+9203-9207 8340-8337+8328-8325 Transfer sets from Jamaica to Coney Island 9447-9443+9458-9462 9263-9267+9237-9233 9472-9468+9452-9448 9478-9482+9467-9463 9252-9248+9272-9268 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted October 29, 2017 Share #16936 Posted October 29, 2017 On 10/26/2017 at 7:46 PM, CenSin said: There is a good idea for that: Install some RGB LEDs near the FIND and around the doors. Express trains glow red and local trains glow green. During reroutes, these lights could be flashed to indicate a change of service. Red: We’re gonna skip a bunch of stops, so GTFO if you are afraid of being on the wrong train. Green: We’re gonna make all stops to cover for service gaps or a stalled train on the express track. Tough luck if you are in a hurry. Install external and internal digital displays with dynamic strips that show exactly what stations are being served with the name of the next station stop flashing while the doors are open. The paper subway maps are also replaced with dynamic digital displays with live coverage of each train’s location. The announcements can be shortened to just the digital recordings announcing: May want to pick a different set of colors... In all seriousness, I have never understood why they went with the FINDs designed the way they are now, with lots of tiny LED panels. Most places just use a single LCD or LED screen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted October 30, 2017 Share #16937 Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, Union Tpke said: I have tried to come up with a list for the sets 9108-9112+? 9692-9688+9563-9567 9133-9137+9162-9158 9737-9733+9558-9862 9128-9132+9218-9222 9247-9243+9238-9242 9123-9127+9203-9207 8340-8337+8328-8325 Transfer sets from Jamaica to Coney Island 9447-9443+9458-9462 9263-9267+9237-9233 9472-9468+9452-9448 9478-9482+9467-9463 9252-9248+9272-9268 9108-9112/8842-8838. And seems like Coney Island is just getting more R160A’s and Jamaica is getting more R160B’s and how careful that Coney doesn’t transfer any of their Siemens sets. Edited October 30, 2017 by VIP 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abba Posted October 30, 2017 Share #16938 Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) When a train goes BIE because of a signal problem what happens.Everyone sits on the train till they fix it? (I've noticed this has been happening in the 60th street tube and I'm wondering what happens with the people on these trains) Edited October 30, 2017 by Abba 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco Posted October 30, 2017 Share #16939 Posted October 30, 2017 9 hours ago, VIP said: 9108-9112/8842-8838. And seems like Coney Island is just getting more R160A’s and Jamaica is getting more R160B’s and how careful that Coney doesn’t transfer any of their Siemens sets. Coney Island is the only yard that regularly operates/maintains the Siemens sets (except for the ultra rare Siemens train). 2 hours ago, Abba said: When a train goes BIE because of a signal problem what happens.Everyone sits on the train till they fix it? (I've noticed this has been happening in the 60th street tube and I'm wondering what happens with the people on these trains) Generally, yes. IIMN, they also have to verify that the red signal was what caused the train to go BIE (make sure it wasn't something or someone on the tracks as well). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted October 30, 2017 Share #16940 Posted October 30, 2017 If a shortage requires it, a R160B can show up on the (F). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco Posted October 30, 2017 Share #16941 Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: If a shortage requires it, a R160B can show up on the (F). Not all R160Bs are Siemens; most are Alstom, so R160Bs regularly run on the . R160 Breakdown: R160A1 (Alstom-built, Alstom Propulsion, 4-Cars): 8313-8652, 9943-9974 R160A2 (Alstom-built, Alstom Propulsion, 5-Cars): 8653-8712, 9233-9802 R160B1 (Kawasaki-built, Alstom Propulsion, 5-Cars): 8713-8842, 9103-9232, 9803-9942 R160B2 (Kawasaki-built, Siemens Propulsion, 5-Cars): 8843-9102 Edited October 30, 2017 by Bosco 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted October 30, 2017 Share #16942 Posted October 30, 2017 48 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: If a shortage requires it, a R160B can show up on the (F). Technically they already do that. It just not the Siemens sets. Jamaica has B trains but with Alstom. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted October 30, 2017 Share #16943 Posted October 30, 2017 12 hours ago, VIP said: 9108-9112/8842-8838. And seems like Coney Island is just getting more R160A’s and Jamaica is getting more R160B’s and how careful that Coney doesn’t transfer any of their Siemens sets. 9108-9112 was coupled to 9188-9192 when I saw it last week, unless 8838 is a new set... (And yes a Siemens set is rumored to be in Coney Island barn getting the Cuomo treatment. We'll see if its true or just people talking out of their ass...) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco Posted October 30, 2017 Share #16944 Posted October 30, 2017 5 hours ago, Around the Horn said: 9108-9112 was coupled to 9188-9192 when I saw it last week, unless 8838 is a new set... (And yes a Siemens set is rumored to be in Coney Island barn getting the Cuomo treatment. We'll see if its true or just people talking out of their ass...) If I had to guess, it's fake news. It makes no sense to make a Siemens set a Cuomo set unless (please don't let this give any foamers any ideas) there are plans to run one on Broadway. As I said, only Coney Island maintains and operates the Siemens sets, so if it's to go to the , it wouldn't make any sense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted October 30, 2017 Share #16945 Posted October 30, 2017 Those Jamaica cars aren't staying at CI, they're just place holders and would be getting the new scheme as well. Once that happens CI gets their cars back 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted October 31, 2017 Share #16946 Posted October 31, 2017 London Underground's tube system pretty is pretty much separate from the street grid. How do you think NYC's subway routes would have been different if it was build in a similar way? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted October 31, 2017 Share #16947 Posted October 31, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, R32 3838 said: Those Jamaica cars aren't staying at CI, they're just place holders and would be getting the new scheme as well. Once that happens CI gets their cars back That would make the most sense. By the way, 9448-9452 was linked to 8663-8667 and ran on the today Edited October 31, 2017 by darkstar8983 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abba Posted October 31, 2017 Share #16948 Posted October 31, 2017 12 hours ago, Bosco said: Coney Island is the only yard that regularly operates/maintains the Siemens sets (except for the ultra rare Siemens train). Generally, yes. IIMN, they also have to verify that the red signal was what caused the train to go BIE (make sure it wasn't something or someone on the tracks as well). Thank g-d I wasn't in a train like this and I hope i never will be .I once was in a BIE train for 15-20 min in which they found debris on the track .But this mornings issue seemed more serious thankfully I wasn't there . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abba Posted October 31, 2017 Share #16949 Posted October 31, 2017 Today there were at least 10 bie that were emailed.Its too much .Do people really have time for these things? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted October 31, 2017 Share #16950 Posted October 31, 2017 On 10/29/2017 at 6:05 PM, bobtehpanda said: May want to pick a different set of colors... In all seriousness, I have never understood why they went with the FINDs designed the way they are now, with lots of tiny LED panels. Most places just use a single LCD or LED screen. It was probably cheaper when it was designed back in 2005. That's one of the drawbacks to large orders like the R160 or the upcoming R211, the inability to change the components mid-order as the technology becomes cheaper or goes in a different direction than it was when the order was created. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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