RR503 Posted June 20, 2018 Share #18801 Posted June 20, 2018 3 hours ago, N6 Limited said: Would CBTC be able to get trains through the Atlantic / Dekalb / Manhattan Br area quicker? Yes. Much of the slowness in that area has to do with excessive installation of GTs. CBTC reduces the operational margin of error by giving control to a computer that can regulate train speed and spacing in real time, obviating any need (fictive or not) for extreme speed restrictions, increasing both design speed of the area in question and the actual speed, as operators do not have to guesstimate when timers will clear. 3 hours ago, N6 Limited said: Which lines are the MTA using this new lower cost CBTC solution? Hopefully none. While Cuomo loves to fap to this stuff, it simply has never been tested. I know little of the technology beyond the superficial concepts and technologies underpinning it, and who knows, it may be workable, but given our current situation, this is *really* not the time to play test track. Thankfully, Byford gets this and is pushing for conventional installations. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kosciusko Posted June 20, 2018 Share #18802 Posted June 20, 2018 18 hours ago, LGA Link N train said: offense since I find Japanese culture quite awesome) lmao dude Japan is one of the most racist and misogynistic cultures on this Earth. It's not all anime and yummy food. 5 hours ago, N6 Limited said: Which lines are the MTA using this new lower cost CBTC solution? How much lower would the cost actually be after all of the testing and research that would have to be done? What needs to happen is permitting more companies to provide the tech so we can purchase it at a competitive rate. The made in NY stipulation is costing us millions. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted June 20, 2018 Share #18803 Posted June 20, 2018 1 hour ago, kosciusko said: lmao dude Japan is one of the most racist and misogynistic cultures on this Earth. It's not all anime and yummy food. I didn't know that partly cause i only learned about its feudal age. By racist, you mean worse than America and what does misogynistic mean? (Even though this is off topic) 1 hour ago, kosciusko said: How much lower would the cost actually be after all of the testing and research that would have to be done? What needs to happen is permitting more companies to provide the tech so we can purchase it at a competitive rate. The made in NY stipulation is costing us millions. If the testing and research takes little time is more successful than our current CBTC methods then the price could be cheaper but I predict that the price would only be 15-35% lower than current costs. However, I'm unable to answer your question in bold. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted June 20, 2018 Share #18804 Posted June 20, 2018 You know (comin to think of it) prior to Byfords arrival to New York, nobody (AND I MEAN NOBODY within elected officials and people who work in those ranks) {cough cough} cared enough to actually fix the subways. Am I the only one who caught up on this? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted June 20, 2018 Share #18805 Posted June 20, 2018 I like his attitude, but like most posters here, we’re skeptical of any actual change because we’ve been promised better service before and very little to nothing has been done. On top of that, the fares keep increasing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted June 21, 2018 Share #18806 Posted June 21, 2018 The is slowly getting upgrades with their R62As. 1716-1720 and 1911-1915 have the brighter LED lights with signs similar to the line. The sides are painted all white as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 6 Ave Local Posted June 21, 2018 Share #18807 Posted June 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, Calvin said: The is slowly getting upgrades with their R62As. 1716-1720 and 1911-1915 have the brighter LED lights with signs similar to the line. The sides are painted all white as well. Saw a with the route map above the roll sign instead of the normal place a few days ago 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted June 21, 2018 Share #18808 Posted June 21, 2018 3 hours ago, Calvin said: The is slowly getting upgrades with their R62As. 1716-1720 and 1911-1915 have the brighter LED lights with signs similar to the line. The sides are painted all white as well. By signs you mean rollsigns? What sides are painted white? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted June 21, 2018 Share #18809 Posted June 21, 2018 14 minutes ago, VIP said: By signs you mean rollsigns? What sides are painted white? Yes, rollsigns. The destination with borough is all in one line. Sides: the stainless steel part, bonnets are partially painted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon2305 Posted June 21, 2018 Share #18810 Posted June 21, 2018 13 hours ago, Calvin said: The is slowly getting upgrades with their R62As. 1716-1720 and 1911-1915 have the brighter LED lights with signs similar to the line. The sides are painted all white as well. Pretty soon, 1701-1705 & 1726-1730 will join that ongoing list. Also 1911-1915 set is still not linked as a 5-car set, still coupled as single sets. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted June 21, 2018 Share #18811 Posted June 21, 2018 Damn, I was hoping the (useless, poorly-designed, and unnecessary) R62A rollsign replacements weren't going to spread to the Pelham cars. I assumed it was just 240th for all the service changes with missing destinations (14th St., etc). Hope it takes a really, really long time. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted June 21, 2018 Share #18812 Posted June 21, 2018 27 minutes ago, MHV9218 said: Damn, I was hoping the (useless, poorly-designed, and unnecessary) R62A rollsign replacements weren't going to spread to the Pelham cars. I assumed it was just 240th for all the service changes with missing destinations (14th St., etc). Hope it takes a really, really long time. Seriously. Why change them? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted June 22, 2018 Share #18813 Posted June 22, 2018 2 hours ago, S78 via Hylan said: Seriously. Why change them? I find it honestly strange that the MTA would go this far as to "fix" stuff that's not even broken to begin with. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielhg121 Posted June 22, 2018 Share #18814 Posted June 22, 2018 10 hours ago, Jemorie said: I find it honestly strange that the MTA would go this far as to "fix" stuff that's not even broken to begin with. Instead of fixing signals which is one of the main problems, they fix rollsigns instead. It’s kinda like an average teen who procrastinates but finds other work to do instead of starting homewrk. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted June 22, 2018 Share #18815 Posted June 22, 2018 A better question to ask is what are the conditions of the existing 62A signs? We see them in the same positions on the and lines, regardless of terminal changes because the destinations don't really change for the first two and the circle/diamond LEDs are good indicators of the north terminal for the . Beyond that, is there any wide-scale deterioration on the rolls that would warrant full replacement? Remember, most of the 68s got new signs back in 2001 for the final phase of Manhattan Bridge work. A lot of the 62s however are still using the original signs dating back to the early '80s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted June 22, 2018 Share #18816 Posted June 22, 2018 Timings are adjusted to the Lexington Av line after the opening of SAS line with new effect 6/24/18. : AM trip now swapped going to Utica Av now from Woodlawn to Bowling Green. : Extra trains on the AM added to/from Eastchester, E. 180 St making trips to Crown Hts-Utica, or Bowling Green, PM: 2 extra trains from the yard to Nereid Av. : Each train to/from Brooklyn Bridge to 125 St is 3 minutes making 6 minute headways each train Bronx section. 4 extra trains during the AM make trips to 3 Av-138 St. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted June 22, 2018 Share #18817 Posted June 22, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Calvin said: Timings are adjusted to the Lexington Av line after the opening of SAS line with new effect 6/24/18. : AM trip now swapped going to Utica Av now from Woodlawn to Bowling Green. : Extra trains on the AM added to/from Eastchester, E. 180 St making trips to Crown Hts-Utica, or Bowling Green, PM: 2 extra trains from the yard to Nereid Av. : Each train to/from Brooklyn Bridge to 125 St is 3 minutes making 6 minute headways each train Bronx section. 4 extra trains during the AM make trips to 3 Av-138 St. I wish the schedules online were updated already to reflect this. Edited June 22, 2018 by S78 via Hylan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 6 Ave Local Posted June 23, 2018 Share #18818 Posted June 23, 2018 On 6/22/2018 at 9:29 AM, Lance said: A better question to ask is what are the conditions of the existing 62A signs? We see them in the same positions on the and lines, regardless of terminal changes because the destinations don't really change for the first two and the circle/diamond LEDs are good indicators of the north terminal for the . Beyond that, is there any wide-scale deterioration on the rolls that would warrant full replacement? Remember, most of the 68s got new signs back in 2001 for the final phase of Manhattan Bridge work. A lot of the 62s however are still using the original signs dating back to the early '80s. Some 42 Street Shuttles display in the old 80's font as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted June 23, 2018 Share #18819 Posted June 23, 2018 On 6/22/2018 at 11:29 AM, S78 via Hylan said: I wish the schedules online were updated already to reflect this. Disregard this. All schedules have been updated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted June 23, 2018 Share #18820 Posted June 23, 2018 Can I just say that that new trip from Woodlawn to Bowling Green is genius? It's scheduled to leave Woodlawn at 7:13 and arrives at Bowling Green at 8:14 and turns as the 8:28 heading back uptown, right as everyone and their mother gets off the ferry and is trying to go uptown... Extra capacity, right at the peak of the peak... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsunflyguy Posted June 23, 2018 Share #18821 Posted June 23, 2018 On 6/20/2018 at 4:44 PM, RR503 said: Yes. Much of the slowness in that area has to do with excessive installation of GTs. CBTC reduces the operational margin of error by giving control to a computer that can regulate train speed and spacing in real time, obviating any need (fictive or not) for extreme speed restrictions, increasing both design speed of the area in question and the actual speed, as operators do not have to guesstimate when timers will clear. I wouldn't give any hope of the "extreme" speed restrictions, the MTA is going the direction of capping the speed at 30mph and there's nothing that indicates that will change. Although the margin on timers eating up speed should be a real gain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted June 23, 2018 Share #18822 Posted June 23, 2018 16 minutes ago, Jsunflyguy said: I wouldn't give any hope of the "extreme" speed restrictions, the MTA is going the direction of capping the speed at 30mph and there's nothing that indicates that will change. Although the margin on timers eating up speed should be a real gain. I would, actually. Not to sound like the press horn for the agency, but I think some of you would be truly astounded to see what is on the table internally these days. Timer removal is absolutely in the cards. I also don’t think that they’re looking to further lower the general speed limit. If they were, they wouldn’t ask that CBTC cars be capable of 55 on level track. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsunflyguy Posted June 23, 2018 Share #18823 Posted June 23, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, RR503 said: I would, actually. Not to sound like the press horn for the agency, but I think some of you would be truly astounded to see what is on the table internally these days. Timer removal is absolutely in the cards. I also don’t think that they’re looking to further lower the general speed limit. If they were, they wouldn’t ask that CBTC cars be capable of 55 on level track. That's fine, we'll see. But nothing precludes CBTC from doing commanded speed drops in place of timers. Although some timers could be removed if the MTA's odd signal policy such as having timers that protect switches even in their normal position---which is frankly insane---is revised. Edited June 23, 2018 by Jsunflyguy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted June 23, 2018 Share #18824 Posted June 23, 2018 57 minutes ago, Jsunflyguy said: That's fine, we'll see. But nothing precludes CBTC from doing commanded speed drops in place of timers. Although some timers could be removed if the MTA's odd signal policy such as having timers that protect switches even in their normal position---which is frankly insane---is revised. We’re talking at cross purposes here — my bad. CBTC will preserve some speed restrictions, yes, but given the margin of error reduction I talk about above, those restrictions are generally less onerous (ride the to see what I mean). What I was saying about internal shifts is that many currently restricted areas may lose that designation in the near future. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brillant93 Posted June 24, 2018 Share #18825 Posted June 24, 2018 I was waiting for the A train at Rockaway Blvd and they were running the shuttle and saw the H train in the sign display. It was a nice treat to see. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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