Jump to content

Attention: In order to reply to messages, create topics, have access to other features of the community you must sign up for an account.
EE Broadway Local

SUBWAY - Random Thoughts Topic

Recommended Posts

Happened to run into a fellow retiree while we were waiting for the Covid-19 shot recently. We kicked it about the latest scuttlebutt in RTO . Seems that someone caught wind of my complaint on the forums about " flexibility" when it comes to subways and operations. He loved the R142/ R142A NTT equipment while I tolerated it, for want of a better word. The NTT trains were definitely more comfortable to operate because the full cabs had room that the older SMEE cars lacked. I fully understand the cost savings by ordering 4 and 5 car consists rather than the single or married pair units purchased in the past. When I told him that my personal favorite was a single car, the R62A we had on the (3) when they were new he couldn't figure out why. I explained to him that I was a transfer guy who took single cars from the IRT, picked up single R10 cars for both ends of my transfer at Concourse Yard and headed down to Ave X Yard to supply the horses for the AM crew to bring the 62 equipment up to the IRT. Always single cars. When I picked a road job I went to the (5) line while they were transitioning to the overhauled married pairs. One morning I was working OT on a trip from New Lots to East 180th St. Same train I laid up the night before coming down from Dyre. Get to Borough Hall ( Lex) n/b and the train failed to take power. That day I became the poster " boy" for what we called other than head end operation. Motor Instructor from Nevins showed up and after discharging we took that train from Brooklyn to 59th St Lexington spur on the (6) . I was up front reading the signals while he was in the 3rd car taking power and watching the air gauge to see if I was braking. We operated buzzer and bypass into the spur and changed ends. After the rush I got the lineup to proceed s/b , dropped the Motor instructor off at Brooklyn Bridge, looped the train and headed up to East 180 Yard to A lead. There was a G.O. working there and I changed ends and waited, ....and waited. Got a clear signal and waited some more. The tower operator caught on but I wonder how many of my fellow posters see the problem. The Yard Dispatcher finally caught on after 20 minutes and sent some help. I was due at East 180th St at 9:02 am but when I got to the dispatcher's office and called Command Center it was 11;53. The Desk Supt paid me my OT, asked me to relay a train (on paper) so he could pay me from 6;30 am to my starting time of 2 pm. What I did that day, and another time when my train died at Newkirk Avenue n/b and I repeated my other than head end operation to Nevins spur, with an RCI, out to New Lots Yard, switching the dead cars to the south end, and up to East 180th Yard. When I left East 180th that night with 10 good cars I was already on OT. Got to Livonia Yard and when I called the Desk Supt he told me that he authorized me to move the train from Newkirk sans TSS because he was aware of my record. My coworker had heard about my exploits in school car but he never knew who I was until Thursday afternoon. The young lady who was his school car instructor, and my friend, never mentioned any names. She did tell them that what I did could not be done with link barred NTT. The rule back then was that you needed X amount of operable equipment to compensate for the "dead" cars. An 8 or 10 car NTT in link bar would only be considered one dead (car) and one live car, hence you would need 5 more NTT cars added up in order to move the dead train. The Brother told me that a NTT had died in the Joralemon tube after I retired and it was hell trying to move it. 15 car mainline transfers were unheard of in my time. My experiences. Carry on.

  • Upvote 6

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I really wish we still had 32s on the (C) to watch the new pace in the Cranberry tubes. The old 30mph limit is now 45mph, I understand. Not sure if that just looks like a GT40 closer to the bottom or what. Those cars were getting to 42 or 43 in the past anyway, but that was with the old timers.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
55 minutes ago, MHV9218 said:

I really wish we still had 32s on the (C) to watch the new pace in the Cranberry tubes. The old 30mph limit is now 45mph, I understand. Not sure if that just looks like a GT40 closer to the bottom or what. Those cars were getting to 42 or 43 in the past anyway, but that was with the old timers.

I remember going through Cranberry in an R32. They had great RFWs. I wish they were still around. Oh well, they were getting pretty old.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I hate politics in general, but can someone please tell me why these progressive children are trying to get NYPD off the subways when crime is on the rise???

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Lawrence St said:

I hate politics in general, but can someone please tell me why these progressive children are trying to get NYPD off the subways when crime is on the rise???

So these said progressive children can DO crimes on the subways. Same with the “stop and frisk” debacle and now just freaking look....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, VIP said:

So these said progressive children can DO crimes on the subways. Same with the “stop and frisk” debacle and now just freaking look....

Hey now, stop and frisk was useless. They stopped that and literally nothing happened. You can look at the numbers, from 500k stops a year on down and crime went nowhere. Crime actually went down. This conversation is different though...whole separate situation now.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
57 minutes ago, VIP said:

The fleet available...

not enough with our current fleet, spare factor went up on anything that runs on queens blvd and the R46's have low spare factor, hence them running like dogshit on the (N)(Q) lines. the (M) has it's own group of R160's now because of CBTC. that's why the (J) runs the R179's alot more.

 

the (C) was going to be reduced even if the pandemic didn't happen so they could retire the remaining r32's in april of 2020 and have the (A) supplement the (C) if an r46 breaks down.

 

 

Edited by R32 3838

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Its gonna be funny as hell when they restore full service without bringing back the R32s and service runs just fine. If I'm wrong, I'll eat crow but I'm sure whomever is responsible for this kinda thing at the TA knows what they are doing.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
9 minutes ago, trainfan22 said:

Its gonna be funny as hell when they restore full service without bringing back the R32s and service runs just fine. If I'm wrong, I'll eat crow but I'm sure whomever is responsible for this kinda thing at the TA knows what they are doing.

have you  ridden the R46's on the (N)(Q) lately?  they run like garbage. CBTC is active on queens blvd and the (M) has a dedicated fleet of R160's due to cbtc.

spare factor is important, this is why they took so long to restore (C)(F) service. They don't trust the R179's when it comes to Reliable service and to avoid having to use some R32's due to cost and covid.

 

Funny thing is everyone had this same attitude when the r179's were pulled and thought the R32's weren't gonna run. And i told people the (J) needed cars because the (L) was returning to full service. and when they opened up the city partially, the (L) was packed to the brim at 7am in the morning.

 

Edited by R32 3838
  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

have you  ridden the R46's on the (N)(Q) lately?  they run like garbage. CBTC is active on queens blvd and the (M) has a dedicated fleet of R160's due to cbtc.

spare factor is important, this is why they took so long to restore (C)(F) service. They don't trust the R179's when it comes to Reliable service and to avoid having to use some R32's due to cost and covid.

 

Funny thing is everyone had this same attitude when the r179's were pulled and thought the R32's weren't gonna run. And i told people the (J) needed cars because the (L) was returning to full service. and when they opened up the city partially, the (L) was packed to the brim at 7am in the morning.

 

The rumored plan is to possibly go with a fleet swap. Transferring the 10 sets of R179’s from East New York to 207th in exchange for 150 cars of R32’s to East New York.

  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, VIP said:

The rumored plan is to possibly go with a fleet swap. Transferring the 10 sets of R179’s from East New York to 207th in exchange for 150 cars of R32’s to East New York.

if this is true, then those R46's on the (C) are going straight to Coney. I would have figured that they would only use about 80 to 110 R32's but they probably need the high spare factor.

also keep in mind that most of the (J)(Z) uses R179's. the R179's make up 60% of the (J)(Z) fleet.

 

what i think is they'll just use a few sets, not a large amount. enough to run only rush hours.

Edited by R32 3838
  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have to think they need the 32s, especially with the R211 delays and the R46 MBDF crashing. 

 

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So there was a fight on a (4) train earlier...

I got delayed at Burnside over something that happened at 14th Street..... the incident train and my train were both heading UPtown.

No, I didn't make a typo.

On 3/30/2021 at 10:56 AM, RapidoNewLook said:

Easy: The (A) and (R) is reduced to 12 minute headways midday 1x /costneutral

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

https://www.facebook.com/tracksunlimitedllc.nj/posts/2931664497070643


 

Quote

 

Tracks Unlimited LLC

Take a look at our progress shots of SIRT's new Clifton Shop! We installed pitted and posted track, and performed overhead thermite welding for the new Gantry. 🤩🚇 #tracksunlimitedllc #tullc  #railroad #railroadcontractor #railroadconstruction #railfreight #railindustry #railinfrastructure #railwaysystems #railsafety #trackservices #ballast #prentice #nyconstruction #nyinfrastructure #mta #mtanyct #nydot #panynj #septa #njt #nyct #njdot #nynjrail #csx #njconstruction #njinfrastructure #bumpingposts #nycta

 

168405525_2931662550404171_6792615940683

168253094_2931662460404180_3852068159830

167791170_2931662463737513_2047384113403

167946217_2931662513737508_2190670273639

168394208_2931662533737506_8096454643673

 

 

  • Upvote 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 3/30/2021 at 8:07 PM, R32 3838 said:

if this is true, then those R46's on the (C) are going straight to Coney. I would have figured that they would only use about 80 to 110 R32's but they probably need the high spare factor.

also keep in mind that most of the (J)(Z) uses R179's. the R179's make up 60% of the (J)(Z) fleet.

 

what i think is they'll just use a few sets, not a large amount. enough to run only rush hours.

Those R32s...just can’t stay retired, can they? What is this, like, the third time now they’ve been un-retired?

On 3/31/2021 at 3:39 PM, paulrivera said:

Easy: The (A) and (R) is reduced to 12 minute headways midday 1x /costneutral

 

So 24-minute headways at Lefferts and Far Rockaway middays? That’s worse than overnight service. And 12-minute midday headways at Bay Ridge/4th Ave local stops? Won’t be long before the complaints about the (R) train taking more than twice that long to show up (not to mention the calls for extending the (J) and/or (Z) to Bay Ridge) to start. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 3/27/2021 at 10:08 PM, TrainRider Railfan said:

I remember going through Cranberry in an R32. They had great RFWs. I wish they were still around. Oh well, they were getting pretty old.

I like to see the R32s back on the (A).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If I remember correctly, the last (B) to leave Sheepshead Bay was around 10 PM at night, currently, 9 PM at that same station to 145 St. The (W) and (5) shortening Manhattan hours, was it due to low ridership late on those lines or to make room for evening G/O's in preparation for the night? 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
3 hours ago, Calvin said:

If I remember correctly, the last (B) to leave Sheepshead Bay was around 10 PM at night, currently, 9 PM at that same station to 145 St. The (W) and (5) shortening Manhattan hours, was it due to low ridership late on those lines or to make room for evening G/O's in preparation for the night? 

The (B)(M) (W) (3) and (5) having shortened weeknight hours, early 4th Avenue local service for the (D) and (N), and the reduced weeknight service on the (D) (N) and (R) are all to make room for work trains to meander their way thru the system.

The default weekend headway for the B division being cut to 12 minutes (everything except the (A)(L) and (Q) basically, maybe one or two others) was also done to reduce track capacity to facilitate work. Yea, (E) and (F) train service on the weekend were cut by 25%; but no, ridership did not take a 25% tumble when these cuts were made.

Edited by paulrivera
typo
  • Thumbs Up 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Why was the Franklin Shuttle only rebuilt with two car platforms, along with the unnecessary revision of rebuilding Park Place and Franklin Av with only one platform?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
25 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

Why was the Franklin Shuttle only rebuilt with two car platforms, along with the unnecessary revision of rebuilding Park Place and Franklin Av with only one platform?

Ridership on the Franklin Av Shuttle is low compared to the rest of the system. And I believe one of the two platforms at the old Franklin Av stop were already disused, before it was renovated. The MTA did consider sacking the line entirely since it was considered decrepit, and incredibly costly to renovate. Many problems persisted too, it had huge amounts of fare-beating at the time which was part of why Dean Street closed.

The MTA’s main goal with fixing the line was to cut the waste (including removing unused platforms or extra track) that were not needed, and to remove that awful paper transfer that allowed farebeating between Franklin Av and the Fulton line. I can only guess that all else was noise to the agency.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, NoHacksJustKhaks said:

Ridership on the Franklin Av Shuttle is low compared to the rest of the system. And I believe one of the two platforms at the old Franklin Av stop were already disused, before it was renovated. The MTA did consider sacking the line entirely since it was considered decrepit, and incredibly costly to renovate. Many problems persisted too, it had huge amounts of fare-beating at the time which was part of why Dean Street closed.

The MTA’s main goal with fixing the line was to cut the waste (including removing unused platforms or extra track) that were not needed, and to remove that awful paper transfer that allowed farebeating between Franklin Av and the Fulton line. I can only guess that all else was noise to the agency.

It was low before yes, but it has grown considerably that a platform / car extension shouldn't be to hard to do. 

Perhaps returning the franklin shuttle to 10 cars and booting the (B) off Brighton and having the (Q) be the sole express could fix the loading and interlining problems that line has. Sure, Brighton Local riders lose direct access to Manhattan but at least the loads will balance themselves out on the (Q) .

Or, they could tie in Franklin Shuttle to Crosstown, have the (Q) run from Coney Island to 21st St, then connecting it with the (F) at 63rd St to Whitehall St.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.



×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use.