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5 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

(6) service in Manhattan is a mess today. 20 minute waits and no rerouting of the (5) via Lex Local to cover the gaps in service.

Do they not have enough cars to run the (6) or something?

But they were running (5) trains on the local... I happened to get one at Spring, and then later got another one at 23rd!

I think the issue is that crews are calling out so they don't have enough manpower to run the full (6) schedule.

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22 minutes ago, Around the Horn said:

But they were running (5) trains on the local... I happened to get one at Spring, and then later got another one at 23rd!

I think the issue is that crews are calling out so they don't have enough manpower to run the full (6) schedule.

Even so, it’s helping that they’re running the (5) local. They might as well; the (5) doesn’t run to Brooklyn on weekends and will be kept out of Brooklyn until they make repairs at Newkirk Avenue.

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23 hours ago, BreeddekalbL said:

How are they turn the (6) at 149th on the 4,  relay?

The (6) local bypasses the Bronx Park crossover to stop at the Mott Avenue upper level before crossing over to the bidirectional Mosholu Express track to relay.

If I was in charge of dispatch, the (6) local should have just went outside outbound and turned at Burnside Avenue (New York University) while bypassing 170, Belmont - 173 Streets (present day Mount Eden Avenue), and 176 Street towards Burnside. Brooklyn Bridge intervals inbound would call at those stops. It is better for the (4) train so that it would cut down on unnecessary delays north of Mott Avenue.

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4 hours ago, 4 via Mosholu said:

The (6) local bypasses the Bronx Park crossover to stop at the Mott Avenue upper level before crossing over to the bidirectional Mosholu Express track to relay.

If I was in charge of dispatch, the (6) local should have just went outside outbound and turned at Burnside Avenue (New York University) while bypassing 170, Belmont - 173 Streets (present day Mount Eden Avenue), and 176 Street towards Burnside. Brooklyn Bridge intervals inbound would call at those stops. It is better for the (4) train so that it would cut down on unnecessary delays north of Mott Avenue.

 

20 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

Even so, it’s helping that they’re running the (5) local. They might as well; the (5) doesn’t run to Brooklyn on weekends and will be kept out of Brooklyn until they make repairs at Newkirk Avenue.

If the (5) is kept out of Brooklyn, they should keep it local during weekdays, seeing as how it’s route length will only be from Eastchester-Dyre Av to Bowling Green with likely no Nereid Av trips (until the (6) is restored, which is TBD)

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The supreme R143 set has been broken up, one half of an R143 set is the supreme cars, the other half is an regular R143 set. Figured this would happen when I saw an 4 car supreme set in ENY yard couple days ago.

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3 hours ago, trainfan22 said:

The supreme R143 set has been broken up, one half of an R143 set is the supreme cars, the other half is an regular R143 set. Figured this would happen when I saw an 4 car supreme set in ENY yard couple days ago.

Imagine if the Supreme R143 was an R160 and it gets mated with a 1/2 cuomoish scheme R160. It's a wrap for that line. 

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1 hour ago, OIG119 said:

The announcements for the 42nd Street (S) are unchanged. The moving platform warning at Times Square is still there.

I wouldn't be surprised if nothing has been changed when it comes to announcements. I'm pretty sure it would take a while or never for them to get around announcements for other lines not just the 42 St (S).

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Lol a couple conquester teenagers just tried to get into the rear cab of a (B) train. One kid jumps on the back to push the door open, while another gets in via platform and waits for his friend to open the interior cab door. Little did they know there was a C/R sitting in the cab rear-facing in the tunnel, who was not too impressed by the little operation. He kicked them out promptly. 

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The 6 Av (B)(D)(F)(M) station of 42 St-Bryant Park are somewhat joined together at Times Sq-42 St with more transfers. At Times Sq-42 St, there's the (N)(Q)(R)(W)(1)(2)(3)(7), going left through the west walkway of the (7) , you'll get the (A)(C)(E) at Port Authority 8 Av. Now, going right thru the new Shuttle platform, you'll walk to the 6 Av line: Bryant Park. Times Square is now the (1)(2)(3)(7)(A)(C)(E)(N)(Q)(R)(W)(B)(D)(F)(M) . 

 

Also, the old track 3 platform is now closed off, with track 1 now to board on its center platform.  

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2 hours ago, Calvin said:

The 6 Av (B)(D)(F)(M) station of 42 St-Bryant Park are somewhat joined together at Times Sq-42 St with more transfers. At Times Sq-42 St, there's the (N)(Q)(R)(W)(1)(2)(3)(7), going left through the west walkway of the (7) , you'll get the (A)(C)(E) at Port Authority 8 Av. Now, going right thru the new Shuttle platform, you'll walk to the 6 Av line: Bryant Park. Times Square is now the (1)(2)(3)(7)(A)(C)(E)(N)(Q)(R)(W)(B)(D)(F)(M) . 

 

Also, the old track 3 platform is now closed off, with track 1 now to board on its center platform.  

Finally! There aren’t enough transfers between the 6th and 7th Avenue lines. This will help.

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4 hours ago, MHV9218 said:

Lol a couple conquester teenagers just tried to get into the rear cab of a (B) train. One kid jumps on the back to push the door open, while another gets in via platform and waits for his friend to open the interior cab door. Little did they know there was a C/R sitting in the cab rear-facing in the tunnel, who was not too impressed by the little operation. He kicked them out promptly. 

Someone also changed the rollsigns on one of the TS Shuttle cars to (7) line readings... most likely a railfan trolling.

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25 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

Can anyone confirm if the old platforms at Times Sq, along with the view of the 7th line, is now closed off?

It's completely blocked off. Can't see the platforms on the passenger view (except from a zoom-in), but a small glimpse from the (1)(2) and (3) of the platforms no longer in-use

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16 hours ago, trainfan22 said:

They get SMS'd every six years, same goes for the other car classes. SMS is basically a rehab.

I was thinking why in their rehabs don't they modify the rollsigns from the traditional key rollsigns to where like in chicago before most of the new cars are led (well the 2600 series are the only ones who do this now) make it to where the operator or conductor controls the signs for the whole train

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5 hours ago, BreeddekalbL said:

I was thinking why in their rehabs don't they modify the rollsigns from the traditional key rollsigns to where like in chicago before most of the new cars are led (well the 2600 series are the only ones who do this now) make it to where the operator or conductor controls the signs for the whole train

I would imagine the 68s are on borrowed time at this point (if all options are taken, there's enough R211s to replace ALL remaining B Div SMEEs) so at this point in there service life it isn't worth the expense to upgrade the R68s to do that. Also they could just retire the R68s before the R46s, 46s have digital signs and more modern couplers.

 

Most of the general public doesn't realize the R46 is actually older than the R68s, so if they scrap the 68s first, won't have to worry about passengers complaining, etc.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, trainfan22 said:

I would imagine the 68s are on borrowed time at this point (if all options are taken, there's enough R211s to replace ALL remaining B Div SMEEs) so at this point in there service life it isn't worth the expense to upgrade the R68s to do that. Also they could just retire the R68s before the R46s, 46s have digital signs and more modern couplers.

 

Most of the general public doesn't realize the R46 is actually older than the R68s, so if they scrap the 68s first, won't have to worry about passengers complaining, etc.

 

 

The whole order (base + options) is for 1,612 cars. Of those, 102 will be reserved for lower-capacity operations (eight 4-car sets plus the 75 cars for Staten Island), leaving 1,510. Ignoring Staten Island, we're looking at 748 remaining R46s + 425 R68s + 200 R68As, for a total of 1,373 cars. Even if we take out the cars used for Franklin Avenue, the absolute best-case number is 1,367 cars. Oh, and the car equivalents are five 60-footers (which the R211s are) to four 75-footers.

Sure, scrap the cars that aren't on their last legs before the ones that are. That'll definitely go over well.

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Going back to the 42nd St Shuttle, I wonder if they kept the same rush hour headways like they did with the 3-3-4 structure when the Shuttle itself had 3 tracks in service? 

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38 minutes ago, Lex said:

The whole order (base + options) is for 1,612 cars. Of those, 102 will be reserved for lower-capacity operations (eight 4-car sets plus the 75 cars for Staten Island), leaving 1,510. Ignoring Staten Island, we're looking at 748 remaining R46s + 425 R68s + 200 R68As, for a total of 1,373 cars. Even if we take out the cars used for Franklin Avenue, the absolute best-case number is 1,367 cars. Oh, and the car equivalents are five 60-footers (which the R211s are) to four 75-footers.

Sure, scrap the cars that aren't on their last legs before the ones that are. That'll definitely go over well.

The R211s are 60-foot cars, and 940 cars are required to replace 748 R46 cars.

To replace 625 R68 / R68A cars, you would need (625 / 😎* 10 = 781.25 ~ 790 cars.

For every 8-car R46 or R68/R68A train, a 10-car R211 is needed to replace it (with limited exceptions if we are considering expanding the (G) train to 480 foot trains, meaning more 8-car units of R211s would have to be created (184 cars in this configuration should suffice for both the in-service fleet and spare factor).

 

940 + 790 = 1730 R211 cars in 5-car sets needed just to replace the R46s and R68s. The R44 replacement needs 75 additional cars, and an additional 200 or so cars would be needed to expand the systems fleet to improve spare factors, meaning you would need 2005 R211 cars. Then a separate supplemental order would likely be needed to adjust for the second phase of SAS and Broadway Line service rearrangements (if any).

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56 minutes ago, Lex said:

The whole order (base + options) is for 1,612 cars. Of those, 102 will be reserved for lower-capacity operations (eight 4-car sets plus the 75 cars for Staten Island), leaving 1,510. Ignoring Staten Island, we're looking at 748 remaining R46s + 425 R68s + 200 R68As, for a total of 1,373 cars. Even if we take out the cars used for Franklin Avenue, the absolute best-case number is 1,367 cars. Oh, and the car equivalents are five 60-footers (which the R211s are) to four 75-footers.

Sure, scrap the cars that aren't on their last legs before the ones that are. That'll definitely go over well.

The R46s aren't on their last legs, that's just foamer folklore. Yes, the cars are on their last legs yet are the  backbone of and provide reliable service on the longest line in the system. 

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