realizm Posted May 29, 2014 Share #6751 Posted May 29, 2014 Actually, a while ago this variation on the rumor was posted in a separate thread that helps explain it and offers a little context: That makes a little more sense than making the Nancy/Quincy 100% R46. And yes - eventually JYD will have to be 100% NTT - specifically NTT converted for CBTC. But as mentioned that isn't a priority for several years. So, if you'll permit me to speculate wildly, there are scenarios where the switch would need to happen now. Say, hypothetically some equipment specifically needed for R46 maintenance at JYD needed to be replaced, and then there's the thought process "why would we replace this, the yard is going to be all NTT in a few years?" - it could, COULD make more sense to have the yard be all NTT now and install the needed equipment/use the needed equipment elsewhere. Or, Maybe they're going to be adding the CBTC gear to the 160's at Jamaica and they need all the cars there because they are going to start that soon - this makes sense - you need all the cars equipped before the system goes live and you would want to leave yourself plenty of time to do the installs. Long and short - There are reasons why you'd want to do it and want to do it soon, but I will believe it when I see it and no sooner. I was musing on that in regards to NTTs and Jamaica Yard. The current forecast calls for the portion of the Queens Blvd CBTC project to Union Tpke to last between late 2014 and 2018. The thing is that there is no mention of R160's being retrofitted for CBTC in their most recent 20 years assessment and was never brought up in any of the committee meetings published to this date. Even as we know that is definitely feasible as were done with many of the 4 car sets assigned to ENY. This raises many questions as to what the MTA may do with the R211 order for 752 cars to replace the R46/46s. Even as the installation according to the contract may end in 2018, it may in reality take even longer then that to achieve going from how long it took for installation on the BMT Canarsie line. I believe it was 7 years from the year 2000 to around 2007 when it was finally operational. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biGC323232 Posted May 29, 2014 Share #6752 Posted May 29, 2014 I was musing on that in regards to NTTs and Jamaica Yard. The current forecast calls for the portion of the Queens Blvd CBTC project to Union Tpke to last between late 2014 and 2018. The thing is that there is no mention of R160's being retrofitted for CBTC in their most recent 20 years assessment and was never brought up in any of the committee meetings published to this date. Even as we know that is definitely feasible as were done with many of the 4 car sets assigned to ENY. This raises many questions as to what the MTA may do with the R211 order for 752 cars to replace the R46/46s. Even as the installation according to the contract may end in 2018, it may in reality take even longer then that to achieve going from how long it took for installation on the BMT Canarsie line. I believe it was 7 years from the year 2000 to around 2007 when it was finally operational. Good Point!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traingoat Posted May 29, 2014 Share #6753 Posted May 29, 2014 I was musing on that in regards to NTTs and Jamaica Yard. The current forecast calls for the portion of the Queens Blvd CBTC project to Union Tpke to last between late 2014 and 2018. The thing is that there is no mention of R160's being retrofitted for CBTC in their most recent 20 years assessment and was never brought up in any of the committee meetings published to this date. Even as we know that is definitely feasible as were done with many of the 4 car sets assigned to ENY. This raises many questions as to what the MTA may do with the R211 order for 752 cars to replace the R46/46s. Even as the installation according to the contract may end in 2018, it may in reality take even longer then that to achieve going from how long it took for installation on the BMT Canarsie line. I believe it was 7 years from the year 2000 to around 2007 when it was finally operational. It has to do with cost analysis and available funds. Remember the funds are dependent on the economy and all of this is being done with surplus money so to speak. Its like the latest derailment in Queens where money had to be found and 500 feet of track replaced and damaged cars. This probably set back all new work by 2 months. So to have a fixed date is nice but all of this is tentative. Its like the 7 line station at 34/11th ave which was to open in 2013 but the elevators designed by the Italians don't work for the handicapped so this is being pushed off into the future. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RestrictOnTheHanger Posted May 29, 2014 Share #6754 Posted May 29, 2014 Well this weekend, they're sending every other to/from 179... The E is running every 5 minutes according to the MTA site and every other train is going to 179 because of the 7 shutdown. At least it's an increase in E service 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted May 29, 2014 Share #6755 Posted May 29, 2014 (edited) It has to do with cost analysis and available funds. Remember the funds are dependent on the economy and all of this is being done with surplus money so to speak. Its like the latest derailment in Queens where money had to be found and 500 feet of track replaced and damaged cars. This probably set back all new work by 2 months. So to have a fixed date is nice but all of this is tentative. Its like the 7 line station at 34/11th ave which was to open in 2013 but the elevators designed by the Italians don't work for the handicapped so this is being pushed off into the future. Yes, indeed. I've read about the delay with the SAS in this report: http://web.mta.info/capital/sas_docs/Second%20Avenue%20Subway-%20Quarterly%20Report%202013%20Q4.pdf It turns out the completion date for 96th Street will be pushed to June, 2016. Forget the actual revenue service start date. We may not see it opening until early 2017. The R179's are even late as it is the test train that was supposed to arrive in December of this year has been pushed back as well. With the timing of this I may be inclined to agree, it could have something to do with the unforeseen Queens Blvd derailment. Resulting in a change in the capitol construction program for the remainder of 2015. Edited May 29, 2014 by realizm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjbr40 Posted May 29, 2014 Share #6756 Posted May 29, 2014 Lots of short turning and service switch this weekend. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted May 29, 2014 Share #6757 Posted May 29, 2014 The E is running every 5 minutes according to the MTA site and every other train is going to 179 because of the 7 shutdown. At least it's an increase in E serviceDespite all that, they're not sending Quincy to Astoria... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted May 29, 2014 Share #6758 Posted May 29, 2014 Despite all that, they're not sending Quincy to Astoria... But you're forgetting that the will end at 74, where many people will head downstairs for the , and/or . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RestrictOnTheHanger Posted May 30, 2014 Share #6759 Posted May 30, 2014 Despite all that, they're not sending Quincy to Astoria... But you're forgetting that the will end at 74, where many people will head downstairs for the , and/or . What about all the people west of 74th that are going to be bussed to QBP? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted May 30, 2014 Share #6760 Posted May 30, 2014 (edited) Two different shuttle buses will run in two different routes: 1. Between Court Square and 74th Street via Queens Boulevard 2. Between Vernon Boulevard/Jackson Avenue and Queensboro Plaza in Long Island City. And since the will provide 50% of service, then transfer at Court Square. Edited May 30, 2014 by RollOver 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfanrod Posted May 31, 2014 Share #6761 Posted May 31, 2014 The ACE need countdown clocks because of the fact that the A goes various location the same countdown closk on the present # line or L the new ones suck ass 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted May 31, 2014 Share #6762 Posted May 31, 2014 Just did a search in Google (was looking for a r160 Siemens train) and saw this jewel: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenEleven Posted May 31, 2014 Share #6763 Posted May 31, 2014 The ACE need countdown clocks because of the fact that the A goes various location the same countdown closk on the present # line or L the new ones suck ass The lettered lines are not wired up with ATS yet, like the numbered lines are, so they won't be as accurate until then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted June 1, 2014 Share #6764 Posted June 1, 2014 The lettered lines are not wired up with ATS yet, like the numbered lines are, so they won't be as accurate until then. And when will that be?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowblock Posted June 1, 2014 Share #6765 Posted June 1, 2014 And when will that be?? The whole system is supposed to be done in 2023. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted June 1, 2014 Share #6766 Posted June 1, 2014 The whole system is supposed to be done in 2023. Jesus Christ... That's pretty pathetic... On a side note, the train has been a lot better of late. It's either that or I've been lucky because my waits have been pretty short of late. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTA Dude Posted June 1, 2014 Share #6767 Posted June 1, 2014 Rumor: & might be getting all the R-46 from the & to allow Jamaica Yard to be 100% R-160. Source: Gossip. Dang, if they want to move the R160s, I suggest they go to the to replace the R32s until they replace the R46s, which is whenever the R211s shall come. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted June 1, 2014 Share #6768 Posted June 1, 2014 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted June 1, 2014 Share #6769 Posted June 1, 2014 Dang, if they want to move the R160s, I suggest they go to the to replace the R32s until they replace the R46s, which is whenever the R211s shall come. No you can't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R62AR33 Posted June 1, 2014 Share #6770 Posted June 1, 2014 Dang, if they want to move the R160s, I suggest they go to the to replace the R32s until they replace the R46s, which is whenever the R211s shall come. Where do you expect those R32s to go to ? .... without them or the R42s there would be a Huge shortage of cars in the B division, that is why those R32s aren't going anywhere until the R179s come in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DailyDose Posted June 1, 2014 Share #6771 Posted June 1, 2014 (edited) A little off-topic here: The NYTM hosting a subway birthday bash where you can ride on the Arnines between Hoyt-Schemerhorn (abandoned platform) and the NYTM all you want. Seems...interesting. June 14th 9-11 AM Adult: $55 Child: $30 https://51281.blackbaudhosting.com/51281/Subway-Birthday-Bash Edited June 1, 2014 by DailyDose 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted June 1, 2014 Share #6772 Posted June 1, 2014 A little off-topic here: The NYTM hosting a subway birthday bash where you can ride on the Arnines between Hoyt-Schemerhorn (abandoned platform) and the NYTM all you want. Seems...interesting. June 14th 9-11 AM Adult: $55 Child: $30 https://51281.blackbaudhosting.com/51281/Subway-Birthday-Bash its a random thoughts thread and its quite unfortunate i Can't go. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3F Posted June 1, 2014 Share #6773 Posted June 1, 2014 If you don't want to pay the money, I guess you could stand on the non-abandoned part of Hoyt and watch. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted June 1, 2014 Share #6774 Posted June 1, 2014 Funny thing is that's my birthday. But I'm not gonna pay all that money just to go back and forth, I'm gonna get wasted instead lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted June 1, 2014 Share #6775 Posted June 1, 2014 What causes that shudder when an R143 comes to a stop at a station? Is that ATO trying to be precise about the stopping point or what? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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