Fresh Pond Posted May 29, 2016 Share #12626 Posted May 29, 2016 I thought October 23, 1992 was the day the was cut from Rockaway Park. I was asking what year and day the sign was discontinued on public subway signs because wiki and other sources say it was 1993 or 1994. I thought the Rush Hour Rockaway Park and full time service into Far Rockaway went into effect in early 1993. Why did the MTA decide that would be turned into ? Because it got demoted to a shuttle. Ergo it gets the shuttle bullet 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I love Trains99 Posted May 29, 2016 Share #12627 Posted May 29, 2016 Why do the trains cross the Manhattan Bridge so slowly? Is it due to weakness of the bridge? I did my research on Wikipedia and I read that passing trains caused the structure on the bridge to tilt and sway. The wobble worsened as train cars became longer and heavier. Over years, when one train moved over the bridge one side would be 3 feet lower than the other side, severely damaging the structure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Train92 Posted May 29, 2016 Share #12628 Posted May 29, 2016 Why do the trains cross the Manhattan Bridge so slowly? Is it due to weakness of the bridge? I did my research on Wikipedia and I read that passing trains caused the structure on the bridge to tilt and sway. The wobble worsened as train cars became longer and heavier. Over years, when one train moved over the bridge one side would be 3 feet lower than the other side, severely damaging the structure. 1 word: Timers! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewYorkElevated Posted May 29, 2016 Share #12629 Posted May 29, 2016 1 word: Timers! You can thank that for the Williamsburg Bridge incident. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted May 29, 2016 Share #12630 Posted May 29, 2016 You can thank that for the Williamsburg Bridge incident. I think you meant to say "You can thank the Williamsburg Bridge accident for that". The timers were not the cause of the accident; they were put in afterwards. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted May 29, 2016 Share #12631 Posted May 29, 2016 I thought October 23, 1992 was the day the was cut from Rockaway Park. I was asking what year and day the sign was discontinued on public subway signs because wiki and other sources say it was 1993 or 1994. I thought the Rush Hour Rockaway Park and full time service into Far Rockaway went into effect in early 1993. Why did the MTA decide that would be turned into ? It all happened on the same weekend. The last day of service to Rockaway Park was on 23 October. The , re-designated as the Rockaway Park from Broad Channel to Rockaway Park, started running that weekend. The started running to Far Rockaway full-time at the same time. The following Monday, rush hour train service to Rockaway Park to replace the , began operating. Why do the trains cross the Manhattan Bridge so slowly? Is it due to weakness of the bridge? I did my research on Wikipedia and I read that passing trains caused the structure on the bridge to tilt and sway. The wobble worsened as train cars became longer and heavier. Over years, when one train moved over the bridge one side would be 3 feet lower than the other side, severely damaging the structure. As stated above, you've got timers along the route. You've also got the DeKalb Av junction slowing things down. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I love Trains99 Posted May 29, 2016 Share #12632 Posted May 29, 2016 It all happened on the same weekend. The last day of service to Rockaway Park was on 23 October. The , re-designated as the Rockaway Park from Broad Channel to Rockaway Park, started running that weekend. The started running to Far Rockaway full-time at the same time. The following Monday, rush hour train service to Rockaway Park to replace the , began operating. As stated above, you've got timers along the route. You've also got the DeKalb Av junction slowing things down. Thanks Lance. I appreciated 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I love Trains99 Posted May 29, 2016 Share #12633 Posted May 29, 2016 It all happened on the same weekend. The last day of service to Rockaway Park was on 23 October. The , re-designated as the Rockaway Park from Broad Channel to Rockaway Park, started running that weekend. The started running to Far Rockaway full-time at the same time. The following Monday, rush hour train service to Rockaway Park to replace the , began operating. As stated above, you've got timers along the route. You've also got the DeKalb Av junction slowing things down. So Saturday October 24, 1992 was when turned into on public signs and was cut back from Euclid Av and Round robbin discontinued? And Monday October 26, 1992 was start of the full service to Far Rockaway and Rush Hour Rockaway Park service? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeesPwnMets Posted May 29, 2016 Share #12634 Posted May 29, 2016 Thanks Lance. I appreciated The swaying actually caused severe structural damage. From 1988 to 2004, one side of the tracks was always closed for repairs. I remember growing up with only one side of tracks in operation all the time. Back in the early 2000s, the and ran across the bridge while the terminated at 34 St 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted May 29, 2016 Share #12635 Posted May 29, 2016 So I took the PATH train today (along with the rerouted ). Nice and quick and the Oculus at World Trade Center is a thing of beauty! I was just wondering what font the PATH uses in their advertisements (very pleasing on the eyes) and why both Journal Square via Hoboken and Hoboken only trains were running on a weekend. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted May 30, 2016 Share #12636 Posted May 30, 2016 My L coming home from work tonight went BIE between Montrose and Morgan Canarsie bound. I was in the last car, 8212. after about 20 minutes, the train crawled into Morgan, where after a few more minutes, the train was taken out of service. waited about another 10 minutes for another train to take us, one went by without stopping. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel The Cool Posted May 30, 2016 Share #12637 Posted May 30, 2016 (edited) The swaying actually caused severe structural damage. From 1988 to 2004, one side of the tracks was always closed for repairs. I remember growing up with only one side of tracks in operation all the time. Back in the early 2000s, the and ran across the bridge while the terminated at 34 St The south side was reopened for a short period of time in 1990 but closed again due to a cracked beam Also in 1995 from April to November, the North Side was closed during the Middays and Weekends leaving both sides closed. Edited May 30, 2016 by Daniel The Cool 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted May 30, 2016 Share #12638 Posted May 30, 2016 Was the Rockaway shuttle full length this weekend? or by June 12th 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted May 30, 2016 Share #12639 Posted May 30, 2016 (edited) Was the Rockaway shuttle full length this weekend? or by June 12th I think this weekend. Not sure Edited May 30, 2016 by Turtle 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted May 30, 2016 Share #12640 Posted May 30, 2016 The swaying actually caused severe structural damage. From 1988 to 2004, one side of the tracks was always closed for repairs. I remember growing up with only one side of tracks in operation all the time. Back in the early 2000s, the and ran across the bridge while the terminated at 34 St The closure was also due to deferred maintenance and years of unbalanced weight distribution causing a slight lean. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I love Trains99 Posted May 30, 2016 Share #12641 Posted May 30, 2016 Why didn't the run local along 6 Av with the when it was in service? Before 2001, was ridership along local stops on 6 Av was balanced? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardye1 Posted May 30, 2016 Share #12642 Posted May 30, 2016 On a side note, are there still MTH R142A 5 car sets for sale somewhere? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted May 30, 2016 Share #12643 Posted May 30, 2016 (edited) Why didn't the run local along 6 Av with the when it was in service? Before 2001, was ridership along local stops on 6 Av was balanced? The northbound would've had to merge with the instead of directly connecting to the 63rd Street Tunnel, and the southbound would've had to merge with the at Rockerfeller Center and then the at Broadway/Lafayette instead of directly merging with the . Here's the track map of the Rockerfeller Center area. Edited May 30, 2016 by checkmatechamp13 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I love Trains99 Posted May 30, 2016 Share #12644 Posted May 30, 2016 The northbound would've had to merge with the instead of directly connecting to the 63rd Street Tunnel, and the southbound would've had to merge with the at Rockerfeller Center and then the at Broadway/Lafayette instead of directly merging with the . Here's the track map of the Rockerfeller Center area. What was complicated about that? The could of switched to/from local tracks at West 4 St. get to 63 St line where the could of got to if it went local. Going to Brooklyn (Southbound) after 47-50 Sts, the passes beneath the to crossover. did diverge with the at 47-50 (Southbound) but it was on the far right outer track. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted May 30, 2016 Share #12645 Posted May 30, 2016 What was complicated about that? The could of switched to/from local tracks at West 4 St. get to 63 St line where the could of got to if it went local. Going to Brooklyn (Southbound) after 47-50 Sts, the passes beneath the to crossover. did diverge with the at 47-50 (Southbound) but it was on the far right outer track. No need to switch a train in front of another, only for it to switch back 2 stops later 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted May 30, 2016 Share #12646 Posted May 30, 2016 What was complicated about that? The could of switched to/from local tracks at West 4 St. get to 63 St line where the could of got to if it went local. Going to Brooklyn (Southbound) after 47-50 Sts, the passes beneath the to crossover. did diverge with the at 47-50 (Southbound) but it was on the far right outer track. The was running on 53rd Street at the time. So the had no interaction with the other 6th Avenue lines in terms of switching. There was no point in introducing an extra switching move just to get a handful of passengers directly to a local stop, when the ran frequently anyway. Aside from that, if a had to wait for an to pass in front, it would likely delay an express behind it. And vice versa Brooklyn-bound, with it delaying an while waiting for an express to pass. Aside from that, there's not much of a point in making it the Brighton Express and 6th Avenue Local, while the is the 6th Avenue Express and Brighton Local. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I love Trains99 Posted May 30, 2016 Share #12647 Posted May 30, 2016 No need to switch a train in front of another, only for it to switch back 2 stops later I know what you mean but what i was saying was that the MTA could of allowed the to run local with the to prevent traffic jam on express tracks where it shared with . I was wondering if was doing okay when it ran solo on local stops. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted May 30, 2016 Share #12648 Posted May 30, 2016 I know what you mean but what i was saying was that the MTA could of allowed the to run local with the to prevent traffic jam on express tracks where it shared with . I was wondering if was doing okay when it ran solo on local stops. You'd be causing a worse traffic jam by switching it over to the line. That's the point. The switching moves are what cause most of the traffic. Think about it, when you approach 59th Street/Columbus Circle heading northbound, and you have the merging with the , the train traffic is at that particular point. Once they merge, you generally have a straight run all the way up. The same thing with those lines: Once they merge at DeKalb, there's nothing to worry about until they reach Rockerfeller Center (which isn't as bad because it's a divergence point, and the run up the same line anyway) By moving the over, you'd introduce a merge with the , which could result in trains backing up behind it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46Dover Posted May 30, 2016 Share #12649 Posted May 30, 2016 (edited) Test https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/E_Train_%281967-1979%29.svg/1280px-E_Train_%281967-1979%29.svg.png Edited May 30, 2016 by 46Dover 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted May 31, 2016 Share #12650 Posted May 31, 2016 (edited) Test https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/E_Train_%281967-1979%29.svg/1280px-E_Train_%281967-1979%29.svg.pngMy turn: I see just add the img and /img between the [] to their respective ends and modify the px number and you are good. It looks like anywhere between 20 and 25px is good. Edited May 31, 2016 by ShadeJay 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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