trainfan22 Posted October 13, 2016 Share #13801 Posted October 13, 2016 Which makes me wonder… since the has to go through all the stops to Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue before heading to the yard, why are they cleared out at Brighton Beach? It’s not a very customer-friendly protocol, especially when the is the first train to run down the Brighton Line after massive delays. The trains that are turning back to Manhattan, are—of course—not going to make a detour to Coney Island, but the ones that are headed for the yard should stay in service until Coney Island so folks don’t have to wait for the . The C/R's probably don't stay on trains that lay up at CI Yard. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted October 13, 2016 Share #13802 Posted October 13, 2016 The C/R's probably don't stay on trains that lay up at CI Yard. Coney Island dosent have enough capacity for a extra line. However, in terms of reroutes, (B)'s via West End normally go all the way down to Coney ISLAND in order to get to the yard. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted October 13, 2016 Share #13803 Posted October 13, 2016 Coney Island dosent have enough capacity for a extra line. However, in terms of reroutes, (B)'s via West End normally go all the way down to Coney ISLAND in order to get to the yard. You missed the point completely. These trains I want to stay in service are already running to Coney Island to access the yard. Currently, they pass through all of the platforms with the doors closed, without passengers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YungMarxian Posted October 13, 2016 Share #13804 Posted October 13, 2016 Coney Island dosent have enough capacity for a extra line. what's the difference if the train pulls into CI with or without passengers. dwell time would be the same since the B train is sticking to a schedule anyway, no? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted October 13, 2016 Share #13805 Posted October 13, 2016 Wait, are you saying that a to Bowling Green or Flatbush Avenue wouldn't list any other transfers besides the (e.g. the at Grand Central)? I'm not understanding what you're saying. Fresh Pond/Turtle explained it best. Which makes me wonder… since the has to go through all the stops to Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue before heading to the yard, why are they cleared out at Brighton Beach? It’s not a very customer-friendly protocol, especially when the is the first train to run down the Brighton Line after massive delays. The trains that are turning back to Manhattan, are—of course—not going to make a detour to Coney Island, but the ones that are headed for the yard should stay in service until Coney Island so folks don’t have to wait for the . The problem with that is riders generally don't know which trains are running to the yard and which ones are returning to Manhattan. Advertising those Coney Island runs would make customers believe that all trains are running to Coney Island. It'd be even more confusing since the does not operate trains with electronic signage, so riders would not readily know if they're on a Brighton Beach train or one extended to Coney Island. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted October 13, 2016 Share #13806 Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) The problem with that is riders generally don't know which trains are running to the yard and which ones are returning to Manhattan. Advertising those Coney Island runs would make customers believe that all trains are running to Coney Island. It'd be even more confusing since the does not operate trains with electronic signage, so riders would not readily know if they're on a Brighton Beach train or one extended to Coney Island.Then if the sign problem were eliminated with new trains, there should be no other impediment. Pretty much every route has its quirks, and I don’t see how extending a line is any different than truncating it or sending it to another branch. It’s quite common. It would be less disappointing to have a train be surprise-extended a few more stops (where it would be going anyway) than to have a train drop out of service in the middle (like the at Kings Highway) and have people wait for the next one; the former is not a disservice like the latter. Different Branch to/from Utica Avenue or New Lots Avenue to/from Gun Hill Road or Nereid Avenue to/from Ozone Park–Lefferts Boulevard or Far Rockaway–Mott Avenue or Rockaway Park–Beach 116 Street to/from 2 Avenue to/from Jamaica–179 Street to/from 96 Street Truncation to/from Burnside Avenue to/from 3 Avenue–138 Street to/from Kings Highway to/from Mets–Willets Point or 111 Street / to/from Broadway Junction to/from Canal Street Extension to/from 86 StreetIs an occasional deviant really that confusing? I disagree. There’s plenty of precedent to be found in how the MTA operates its other routes. Edited October 13, 2016 by CenSin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D to Burke Avenue Posted October 13, 2016 Share #13807 Posted October 13, 2016 If Phase 4 becomes complete in our lifetime, I hope that the Grand Street station gets rebuilt into a 4 track station with 2 island platforms and not be built a bi-level station. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsadam Posted October 13, 2016 Share #13808 Posted October 13, 2016 If Phase 4 becomes complete in our lifetime, I hope that the Grand Street station gets rebuilt into a 4 track station with 2 island platforms and not be built a bi-level station. They were planning on that, but changed it as building phase 4 as cut-and-cover would necessitate tearing up Sara D. Roosevelt Park in Chinatown.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3F Posted October 13, 2016 Share #13809 Posted October 13, 2016 They were planning on that, but changed it as building phase 4 as cut-and-cover would necessitate tearing up Sara D. Roosevelt Park in Chinatown.. The park can be rebuilt. I doubt that was the main issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatOne2k Posted October 14, 2016 Share #13810 Posted October 14, 2016 (edited) The last 5 trains in the evening can also be extended to the Bronx in service instead of dead heading. There are also two midday trips that could also be extended to the Bronx from 145 St. Trains leave 145 St at 9:25, 9:35, 9:45, 9:55, 10:05, 10:15, 10:25, 10:35 going back to Brooklyn. Trains are scheduled to terminate at 145 at 9:20, 9:27, 9:32, 9:39, 9:49, 9:57, 10:05, 10:11, 10:19, 10:29. Two of those trains could also stay in service past 145 since they are not going back to Brooklyn. Edited October 14, 2016 by GreatOne2k 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PATCOman Posted October 14, 2016 Share #13811 Posted October 14, 2016 One of those AM B trains that do not go back to Brooklyn go to 207 yard for PM A train service. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted October 14, 2016 Share #13812 Posted October 14, 2016 Since when did the R32 run on the during the AM rush. Was just waiting at Fulton St and I saw the R32 go on the 10 train marker. If I did not look at the rollsigns as I boarded, I would have never noticed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biGC323232 Posted October 14, 2016 Share #13813 Posted October 14, 2016 Heard the clowns are roaming the subways...Did anyone else hear about this???? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted October 14, 2016 Share #13814 Posted October 14, 2016 Since when did the R32 run on the during the AM rush. Was just waiting at Fulton St and I saw the R32 go on the 10 train marker. If I did not look at the rollsigns as I boarded, I would have never noticed.That R32 usually has its own interval, but if needed, it'll run at any time. Once it ran overnight. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyboy515 Posted October 14, 2016 Share #13815 Posted October 14, 2016 Heard the clowns are roaming the subways...Did anyone else hear about this????Yeah, they actually came near my school... Right near the subway station... Sent from my iPad using NYC Transit Forums mobile app 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon2305 Posted October 14, 2016 Share #13816 Posted October 14, 2016 I witnessed at least two trains run local all the way past 137th St to 242nd St on the , probably due to delays. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RestrictOnTheHanger Posted October 15, 2016 Share #13817 Posted October 15, 2016 Any reason I saw an signed to Church Ave in Queens around 7pm? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted October 15, 2016 Share #13818 Posted October 15, 2016 Any reason I saw an signed to Church Ave in Queens around 7pm?Sounds like A kings hwy short turn, but obviously Kings highway is out til further notice. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RestrictOnTheHanger Posted October 15, 2016 Share #13819 Posted October 15, 2016 Sounds like A kings hwy short turn, but obviously Kings highway is out til further notice. I saw one or two others signed as Kings Hwy as well while waiting... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted October 15, 2016 Share #13820 Posted October 15, 2016 (edited) Any reason I saw an signed to Church Ave in Queens around 7pm? Sounds like everything is normal. Those trains turn at Church Avenue to prevent delaying trains behind. If you take the during rush hours, you’ll find that many times Coney Island-bound trains are crawling from Avenue P to Avenue X due to Kings Highway-bound trains using the yard leads to turn back to Manhattan. The turning back of Kings Highway-bound trains is very delay-prone. In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me to learn that they were also turning trains at 2 Avenue just to avoid clearing out trains on through-service tracks at Church Avenue and Kings Highway. Edited October 15, 2016 by CenSin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RestrictOnTheHanger Posted October 15, 2016 Share #13821 Posted October 15, 2016 Sounds like everything is normal. Those trains turn at Church Avenue to prevent delaying trains behind. If you take the during rush hours, you’ll find that many times Coney Island-bound trains are crawling from Avenue P to Avenue X due to Kings Highway-bound trains using the yard leads to turn back to Manhattan. The turning back of Kings Highway-bound trains is very delay-prone. In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me to learn that they were also turning trains at 2 Avenue just to avoid clearing out trains on through-service tracks at Church Avenue and Kings Highway. Huh. I havent seen any 2nd Ave signed Fs yet. But then again not many signed Church either. Do they actually spin any Kings Hwy Fs on the mainline? I never venture into Brooklyn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted October 15, 2016 Share #13822 Posted October 15, 2016 What time does the run as a 5-car train during late nights? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted October 15, 2016 Share #13823 Posted October 15, 2016 Huh. I havent seen any 2nd Ave signed Fs yet. But then again not many signed Church either. Do they actually spin any Kings Hwy Fs on the mainline? I never venture into BrooklynThey used to turn them back on the middle track at Kings Hwy, but since that rehab has southbound trains using the middle track as a through track, the Kings Hwy trains have to run light to the yard leads by Avenue X to turn around. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bstar1 Posted October 15, 2016 Share #13824 Posted October 15, 2016 Maybe Kings Highway Bound should use Express tracks between Jay St to Church Av and vice versa. Then Coney Island Bound would use Local tracks. Local Tracks Bergen and Church. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted October 15, 2016 Share #13825 Posted October 15, 2016 Maybe Kings Highway Bound should use Express tracks between Jay St to Church Av and vice versa. Then Coney Island Bound would use Local tracks. Local Tracks Bergen and Church. Maybe to relieve congestion at Flushing–Main Street, trains should be turned at Mets–Willets Point while trains continue to Flushing–Main Street. /s 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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