SUBWAY - Random Thoughts Topic

[BreeddekalbL]

what made the delay for the new staten island station to force it into 2017?

[Union Tpke]

In October 2016, yet again, it was pushed back to January 2017, because of the redesign of the electrical distribution room, the exterior wall panel, and various communications issues.

[Around the Horn]

There is another Siemens set with the new screens. That's 9046

[Daniel The Cool]

Just Caught a 68 going to Astoria. It was a great ride 2682. Pics coming soon and a video.

It ended up being one of the trains that ended at 86th Street

[P3F]

Is there a comprehensive list of how many TPH each line runs during each time period? It'd be good to have when making proposals for the proposal thread.

[bobtehpanda]

Is there a comprehensive list of how many TPH each line runs during each time period? It'd be good to have when making proposals for the proposal thread.

 

The MTA has GTFS feeds with the schedule. Aside from calculating TPH based on that, no.

Edited November 19, 2016 by bobtehpanda

[Around the Horn]

It's not exact but there is this Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_York_City_Subway_services#Trains_per_hour

[Daniel The Cool]

It's not exact but there is this Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_York_City_Subway_services#Trains_per_hour

Wikipedia is not the best site for sources. 

[Around the Horn]

Wikipedia is not the best site for sources. 

 

The table that has the TPH data cites the timetables, so I think its accurate give or take 1 TPH...

[Calvin]

I was thinking when riding the , wouldn't be possible to keep the flip-up seat on the left side before being sent to Corona?

[BrooklynIRT]

How do riders like the added trainsets on the weekends?

[Porter]

What is the protocol for displaying diamond bullets at stations?

[Fresh Pond]

What is the protocol for displaying diamond bullets at stations?

If it ain't that the or then you won't see one.

[Porter]

If it ain't that the or then you won't see one.

 

So I can expect the and to have their bullets prominently displayed at the entrances of the stations that they serve? I only ever remember seeing and displayed, respectively.

Edited November 19, 2016 by Skipper

[S78 via Hylan]

So I can expect the and to have their bullets prominently displayed at the entrances of the stations that they serve? I only ever remember seeing and displayed, respectively.

Not necessarily at the station entrances, but on the trains themselves. I remember that they used to have the displaying in Brooklyn many years ago, but that has since changed.

[Porter]

Not necessarily at the station entrances, but on the trains themselves.

 

So if my quixotic fantasy of reviving the were realized (and Bay Ridge taken seriously), the lower Fourth Avenue stations would simply display and not on the station entrances? I'm unsure whether color factors in, but this is perhaps a unique scenario.

[CenSin]

So if my quixotic fantasy of reviving the were realized (and Bay Ridge taken seriously), the lower Fourth Avenue stations would simply display and not on the station entrances? I'm unsure whether color factors in, but this is perhaps a unique scenario.

The is a completely different route than the . It would be displayed. Edited November 20, 2016 by CenSin

[Union Tpke]

Having an  would just confuse riders. If such a service would be implemented, it would be given a separate designation.

Edited November 20, 2016 by Union Tpke

[Around the Horn]

What is the protocol for displaying diamond bullets at stations?

They are typically only shown along the express section of the line (where the diamond service operates differently from the circle service)

 

So I can expect the and to have their bullets prominently displayed at the entrances of the stations that they serve? I only ever remember seeing and displayed, respectively.

In Manhattan, only the and are shown. The sign on the platform explaining which services stop at each track will mention the and

 

So if my quixotic fantasy of reviving the were realized (and Bay Ridge taken seriously), the lower Fourth Avenue stations would simply display and not on the station entrances? I'm unsure whether color factors in, but this is perhaps a unique scenario.

First things first, if the Nassau R was revived, it would be in a brown circle not a diamond.(The is a good example of this in practice) The diamond is only used now a days to denote a rush period express along a typically local line.

 

The is a completely different route than the . It would be displayed.

 

As CenSin notes, the brown R is an entirely different service. The sign would most likely list them as R R with the full time Broadway variant listed first.

[Porter]

First things first, if the Nassau R was revived, it would be in a brown circle not a diamond.(The is a good example of this in practice) The diamond is only used now a days to denote a rush period express along a typically local line.

 

I don't think that the would consider having two Rs differing only in color. Wasn't the indeed a rush period express along a local line?

 

Having an  would just confuse riders. If such a service would be implemented, it would be given a separate designation.

 

Did it confuse riders while it was running? What designations would be possible? A brown V or K?

[Wallyhorse]

So if my quixotic fantasy of reviving the were realized (and Bay Ridge taken seriously), the lower Fourth Avenue stations would simply display and not on the station entrances? I'm unsure whether color factors in, but this is perhaps a unique scenario.

I definitely like having the Brown  come back, but as noted, I would do it as a 24/7 line that would run between Bay Ridge and Chambers Street with the truncated full-time to Chambers Street (save for a handful of rush-hour trains that would go to Broad), set up so an arriving or at Chambers (excluding any trains to Broad) always has it's north-south counterpart right across the platform waiting for the train arriving (as trains could come in on the "express" tracks" at Chambers and trains would be on the "local" tracks).  This also eliminates the late-night shuttle since this new line would be running at all times, with those who need Whitehall late nights being able to make a same-platform transer for the at Jay-Metrotech or Court.  

 

You could also if you want to keep the and as is having the Bay Ridge make the old  route a "Brown " for this purpose. 

 

Edited to add:  How do you make the  symbol (and some of the other old ones) come up again?  I had to use copy and paste to do that here. 

Edited November 20, 2016 by Wallyhorse

[Lance]

Why do you keep pitching this? It hasn't made sense before and it still doesn't make sense now. Why does the need to terminate at Chambers St? Why does this new service need to be called the ? Especially when the designation has been synonymous with Jamaica skip-stop service for nearly 30 years. You always take a relatively simple concept, in this case, the need for additional 4th Avenue service to Nassau St, and turn it into some convoluted mess that requires several other unnecessary service alterations.

 

To answer your question, there is no diamond smiley at the moment. No, I don't know why.

[Daniel The Cool]

Why do you keep pitching this? It hasn't made sense before and it still doesn't make sense now. Why does the need to terminate at Chambers St? Why does this new service need to be called the ? Especially when the designation has been synonymous with Jamaica skip-stop service for nearly 30 years. You always take a relatively simple concept, in this case, the need for additional 4th Avenue service to Nassau St, and turn it into some convoluted mess that requires several other unnecessary service alterations.

 

To answer your question, there is no diamond smiley at the moment. No, I don't know why.

It's the same reason why he wants the run via the to Broadway Junction.

[P3F]

It's the same reason why he wants the run via the to Broadway Junction.

I sincerely doubt that. It seems like you are making a statement with which you think a lot of people will agree with, despite the statement being non-factual.

[Porter]

I definitely like having the Brown  come back, but as noted, I would do it as a 24/7 line that would run between Bay Ridge and Chambers Street with the truncated full-time to Chambers Street (save for a handful of rush-hour trains that would go to Broad), set up so an arriving or at Chambers (excluding any trains to Broad) always has it's north-south counterpart right across the platform waiting for the train arriving (as trains could come in on the "express" tracks" at Chambers and trains would be on the "local" tracks).  This also eliminates the late-night shuttle since this new line would be running at all times, with those who need Whitehall late nights being able to make a same-platform transer for the at Jay-Metrotech or Court.  

 

You could also if you want to keep the and as is having the Bay Ridge make the old  route a "Brown " for this purpose. 

 

Edited to add:  How do you make the  symbol (and some of the other old ones) come up again?  I had to use copy and paste to do that here. 

 

I made the the same way I made the (I downloaded the .svg vector files from the website below and merely combined other bullets to make new ones, preserving the precise dimensions and colors). For some reason, the Nassau bullets on this site are darker than Wikimedia's.

 

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Subway_bullets

 

I think disturbing the would be a hard sell, but bringing the to Bay Ridge only during rush periods (the only time during which it is ever active anyway) would be a good alternative to a revived service (also only active during rush periods anyway). Either way, the BMT Nassau Street Line must make better use of the Montague Tunnel! If Bay Ridge is as underserved as I've experienced for years, then that's the perfect use of it. The reason I am campaigning for the instead of the is simply that it runs alongside the for most of its length, but I'm not opposed to extending the instead.

 

Why does the need to terminate at Chambers St? Why does this new service need to be called the ? Especially when the designation has been synonymous with Jamaica skip-stop service for nearly 30 years. You always take a relatively simple concept, in this case, the need for additional 4th Avenue service to Nassau St, and turn it into some convoluted mess that requires several other unnecessary service alterations.

 

The can remain as a skip-stop service and simply serve Bay Ridge during that time. How would you solve the need for additional Fourth Avenue service to Nassau Street? The just isn't cutting it, and extending the to Bay Ridge wouldn't help that much.