Around the Horn Posted April 7, 2017 Share #15451 Posted April 7, 2017 (edited) It now says "86 St" (just without the Gravesend part and via Whitehall St) What the hell are they thinking? Did they just unilaterally forget the shares trackage with the which also stops at an 86 Street? That's just asking for trouble... Edited April 7, 2017 by Around the Horn 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RestrictOnTheHanger Posted April 7, 2017 Share #15452 Posted April 7, 2017 For some reason, I didn't see any new clocks at Grand Av or Elmhurst Av. There are clocks at both stations, as well as Roosevelt Ave, on mezannine and platform levels. They have been there for a few months, but are curremtly black. On another note, why are there next train indicators at Roosevelt Ave on the ramp at the east end of the mezzanine? I'm talking about the kind you find at terminals like at 57th st which are not used anymore 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agar io Posted April 7, 2017 Share #15453 Posted April 7, 2017 (edited) There are clocks at both stations, as well as Roosevelt Ave, on mezannine and platform levels. They have been there for a few months, but are curremtly black.RestrictOnTheHanger, on 06 Apr 2017 - 11:40 PM, said: Thanks for the correction. There is indeed a clock at Grand Av, and I saw it today at the Broadway end of the platform. I must not have seen it. On another note, why are there next train indicators at Roosevelt Ave on the ramp at the east end of the mezzanine? I'm talking about the kind you find at terminals like at 57th st which are not used anymore Doesn't seem like a terminal next-train indicator. They're like the red-LED next-train indicators that have a single line on them. Both show which platform has a train currently serving it. The indicator presumably gets passengers to hurry up to their trains, but it's useless now since everyone rushes to the platform every time they hear a motor sound. Edited April 7, 2017 by agar io 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted April 7, 2017 Share #15454 Posted April 7, 2017 (edited) Thanks for the correction. There is indeed a clock at Grand Av, and I saw it today at the Broadway end of the platform. I must not have seen it. Doesn't seem like a terminal next-train indicator. They're like the red-LED next-train indicators that have a single line on them. Both show which platform has a train currently serving it. The indicator presumably gets passengers to hurry up to their trains, but it's useless now since everyone rushes to the platform every time they hear a motor sound. There is a terminal next train indicator right next to the stairs for the train roughly mid platform on the mezzanine. I would assume it was there for FASTRACK. Edited April 7, 2017 by Around the Horn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted April 7, 2017 Share #15455 Posted April 7, 2017 (edited) 8953-8957 / 9028-9032 no longer sports the Second Av Subway wrap. Edited April 7, 2017 by CH3348 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted April 7, 2017 Share #15456 Posted April 7, 2017 You're making it sound like only kids/teenagers made that mistake jumping onto the tracks to get their phones and got fatally hit but there's been many cases that it was the adults who saw that fate. Once again that still isn't a valid reason to banned teenagers from riding the subway. Absolutely, as many more adults who should know better do that all of the time (sadly). The bigger problem is some are just. plain. stupid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3F Posted April 7, 2017 Share #15457 Posted April 7, 2017 What are the terminal capacities for the four sets of tracks at Coney Island? I would estimate that the tracks are capped at around 11-12 TPH, given how many trains have to terminate at Kings Highway. Is this accurate, and are the maximum capacities similar for the other three sets of tracks? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted April 8, 2017 Share #15458 Posted April 8, 2017 What the hell are they thinking? Did they just unilaterally forget the shares trackage with the which also stops at an 86 Street? That's just asking for trouble... I don't know, but it certainly isn't good. However, I came up with an idea, why not have it be like this? W| TO 86 ST/SEA BEACH W| 4 AVENUE LOCAL W| BROADWAY LOCAL This way you reduce the confusion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
125thstreet Posted April 8, 2017 Share #15459 Posted April 8, 2017 (edited) How about this: Ditmars Blvd to Euclid Ave Broadway/Fulton Street local Via Montague Street tunnel with a New connection to Hoyt-Schermerhorn Street. 24/7 or part time C train to Leffert Blvd via Fulton Street Express. Edited April 8, 2017 by 125thstreet 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted April 8, 2017 Share #15460 Posted April 8, 2017 What are the terminal capacities for the four sets of tracks at Coney Island? I would estimate that the tracks are capped at around 11-12 TPH, given how many trains have to terminate at Kings Highway. Is this accurate, and are the maximum capacities similar for the other three sets of tracks? 8 minutes to/from Coney Island and 8 minutes to/from Kings Highway during rush hours actually which means 4 minutes between each train total 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted April 8, 2017 Share #15461 Posted April 8, 2017 How about this: Ditmars Blvd to Euclid Ave Broadway/Fulton Street local Via Montague Street tunnel with a New connection to Hoyt-Schermerhorn Street. 24/7 or part time C train to Leffert Blvd via Fulton Street Express. That's not what I was referring to... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted April 8, 2017 Share #15462 Posted April 8, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes to/from Coney Island and 8 minutes to/from Kings Highway during rush hours actually which means 4 minutes between each train totalWhat's the limiting factor there? Even for a 10mph entrance/exit, 7.5 tph seems a bit low... That's 3.75 tph/track, or one train every 16 minutes on each track. Edited April 8, 2017 by RR503 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted April 8, 2017 Share #15463 Posted April 8, 2017 What's the limiting factor there? Even for a 10mph entrance/exit, 7.5 tph seems a bit low... That's 3.75 tph/track, or one train every 16 minutes on each track. Simply put, ridership is very low on that section. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulrivera Posted April 8, 2017 Share #15464 Posted April 8, 2017 What's the limiting factor there? Even for a 10mph entrance/exit, 7.5 tph seems a bit low... That's 3.75 tph/track, or one train every 16 minutes on each track. Simply put, ridership is very low on that section. Also, the interlocking to get those trains to change tracks at Stillwell is quite a way's away from the station. Plus, those trains have to go 10mph between Stillwell and those switches, then maybe 15 between the switches and West 8th Street. Add in the curve right by W8 and it can easily take you 5 minutes to get through that section. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted April 8, 2017 Share #15465 Posted April 8, 2017 (edited) Simply put, ridership is very low on that section. you're wrong because the diamond crossover is midway between West 8th and Stillwell which means Stillwell can't handle a train every 4 minutes during rush hours so 50% of them have to turn at Kings Highway. Also shortly before the morning rush hour or the evening rush hour is over, the last "extra" trains get taken out of service at Kings Highway and run empty to the yard on the middle track they could turn a bit more than just 7.5 trains an hour at Stillwell before the morning rush hour or the evening rush hour is over, however those "extra" trains can't get taken out of service and run empty to the yard after Stillwell because the Stillwell area of the yard is where they have trains stored whereas the Avenue X area of the yard is where they have trains stored so the extra trains on the line get removed from service at Kings Highway shortly before the rush hour is over for midday service to start getting the headways on the entire line down to 7-8 minutes instead of 4 minutes Edited April 8, 2017 by Jemorie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted April 8, 2017 Share #15466 Posted April 8, 2017 you're wrong because the diamond crossover is midway between West 8th and Stillwell which means Stillwell can't handle a train every 4 minutes during rush hours so 50% of them have to turn at Kings Highway. Also shortly before the morning rush hour or the evening rush hour is over, the last "extra" trains get taken out of service at Kings Highway and run empty to the yard on the middle track they could turn a bit more than just 7.5 trains an hour at Stillwell before the morning rush hour or the evening rush hour is over, however those "extra" trains can't get taken out of service and run empty to the yard after Stillwell because the Stillwell area of the yard is where they have trains stored whereas the Avenue X area of the yard is where they have trains stored so the extra trains on the line get removed from service at Kings Highway shortly before the rush hour is over for midday service to start getting the headways on the entire line down to 7-8 minutes instead of 4 minutes Where does any of this say my observation is incorrect? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted April 8, 2017 Share #15467 Posted April 8, 2017 I'm on a Brooklyn bound and as we get into Bowling Green, the announcement goes: "This is an Eastchester bound local train. The next stop is Borough Hall." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted April 9, 2017 Share #15468 Posted April 9, 2017 (edited) Where does any of this say my observation is incorrect? alternate rush hour trains to Kings Highway have little to do with ridership and more to do with capacity at Stillwell. technically, they could run nearly all those trains to Stillwell if they want to just like how they run nearly all rush hour trains to Jamaica Center i think the post made by paulrivera was alot more clearer and valid than i did though Edited April 9, 2017 by Jemorie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexx628 Posted April 9, 2017 Share #15469 Posted April 9, 2017 Random question about N/Q/W rolling stock. I noticed that many R68s tend to run on the N/W lines (W most often seems to get them), yet none on the Q. Is there a reason for that or is it all by chance that 68's only run on the W primarily? Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted April 9, 2017 Share #15470 Posted April 9, 2017 (edited) Random question about N/Q/W rolling stock. I noticed that many R68s tend to run on the N/W lines (W most often seems to get them), yet none on the Q. Is there a reason for that or is it all by chance that 68's only run on the W primarily? Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app Most are on the now, with an R68/A appearing every so often. The main reason for the R68s not appearing on the is due to rollsigns having a 96 St-2 Av sign and it being easier to run R160s on 2 Av. Edited April 9, 2017 by ShadeJay 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielhg121 Posted April 9, 2017 Share #15471 Posted April 9, 2017 They all originate from Coney Island Yard but The SAS wrapped train(s) never ran on N, W either. I bet there are certain sets assigned to run on certain lines. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexx628 Posted April 9, 2017 Share #15472 Posted April 9, 2017 Also adding on to the question, if 2 R68s were at Coney during the rush hour when one gets sent to 96th, would they switch one of the 68s over or have to wait until a 160 pulls in? Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTK246 Posted April 9, 2017 Share #15473 Posted April 9, 2017 I don't know if this is recent or not, but they added a South Ferry program to the . It sounds like it's a splice of the standard announcement with " local train" added. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted April 9, 2017 Share #15474 Posted April 9, 2017 They all originate from Coney Island Yard but The SAS wrapped train(s) never ran on N, W either. I bet there are certain sets assigned to run on certain lines. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app They both ran on the and several times before 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted April 9, 2017 Share #15475 Posted April 9, 2017 And I think they put one on the first ever via Sea Beach that Tuesday IIRC 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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