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4 hours ago, EphraimB said:

I'm on a (Q) train every Thursday going to/from Avenue M. One time when I wad taking the (Q) train back from Avenue M after 2 (B) trains passed by by Express, the wye people laughing and enjoying their time on the (Q) train.

 

Why are people laughing and enjoying their time on a local train?

My commute today on the (4) from 59 to 14 was slower than the local route on the (6) ... I would enjoy my time on the local train in that instance 😒

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There’s a full ad on the (A) train in regards to fare evasion. NYPD/MTA POLICE AND PORT AUTHORITY are all in a collaborative effort to stop evasion on the trains. 

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I love how the (B) train stopped running all 10 miles of its route at 7pm because of a 300 foot long work train that got stuck on one track at a station with three other tracks.

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31 minutes ago, paulrivera said:

I love how the (B) train stopped running all 10 miles of its route at 7pm because of a 300 foot long work train that got stuck on one track at a station with three other tracks.

They probably figured that moving it would eat up the last 90 minutes...

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Was the weekend (F) headways recently changed? Before, it used to be 8-10 minutes for each train arrival but ended up being a 15 min wait. 

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3 minutes ago, Calvin said:

Was the weekend (F) headways recently changed? Before, it used to be 8-10 minutes for each train arrival but ended up being a 15 min wait. 

(E)(F) and (R) weekend headways were officially changed to 12 minute headways to accommodate CBTC installation in Queens.

Your (F) train was technically within compliance of wait assessment guidelines even though it was a really long wait.

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Well if anyone wanted to know, it lives.

 

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R68 Subway car 2876 Rollsign Interior by Missabassie, on Flickr

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R68 Subway car 2876 Rollsign Exterior by Missabassie, on Flickr

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NYC Subway R68 Leaving 125th Street Station 1 by Missabassie, on Flickr

 

This was 207 st bound aprox. 22:00 Friday night.

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8 hours ago, paulrivera said:

I love how the (B) train stopped running all 10 miles of its route at 7pm because of a 300 foot long work train that got stuck on one track at a station with three other tracks.

I was shocked that they didn't at least have the southbound (B) Trains end at Kings Highway. 

 

The last southbound (B) that left 145th Street when they started suspending service did end at 2nd Avenue and went back Uptown in service however. 

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8 hours ago, Missabassie said:

Well if anyone wanted to know, it lives.

 

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R68 Subway car 2876 Rollsign Interior by Missabassie, on Flickr

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R68 Subway car 2876 Rollsign Exterior by Missabassie, on Flickr

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NYC Subway R68 Leaving 125th Street Station 1 by Missabassie, on Flickr

 

This was 207 st bound aprox. 22:00 Friday night.

Yeh. 2822 R68 was rolling into Nostrand Avenue (A) station at 21:00 last night heading to 207. 

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9 hours ago, paulrivera said:

(E)(F) and (R) weekend headways were officially changed to 12 minute headways to accommodate CBTC installation in Queens.

Your (F) train was technically within compliance of wait assessment guidelines even though it was a really long wait.

Why don’t they just send the (R) to Astoria and have only the (E)(F) to maintain somewhat decent frequencies?

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You could also turn using the pocket at Queens Plaza. They did that for a bunch of GOs maybe 2 years ago. 

(E), I’d imagine, would be local. Otherwise you’re fully cutting local riders off from 53/60, rather than forcing a transfer. 

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4 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

Why don't some (N) trains go up 2nd Av during the Astoria closure? I imagine having a one track terminal causes delays along the whole line.

The (M) will be at 2nd Av with the (Q) nonstop weekends till 2020. 3 lines in one terminal is a problem.

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12 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

Why don't some (N) trains go up 2nd Av during the Astoria closure? I imagine having a one track terminal causes delays along the whole line.

At 6 tph? Why bother with branching at all?

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20 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

Why don't some (N) trains go up 2nd Av during the Astoria closure? I imagine having a one track terminal causes delays along the whole line.

It's possible to operate single track terminals at as much as 15-16tph. If there are delays at 6tph, the fix is fixing operations.

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21 minutes ago, Lex said:

At 6 tph? Why bother with branching at all?

The (N) is actually *5* tph due to supplement.

Also, NYCT generally avoids having more than 15tph on any one track on Saturdays and Sundays.

Hell, they’d do *3* tph if they felt they could get away with it (hey (4)(5) and (L) riders, how y’all doin?)

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3 hours ago, RR503 said:

You could also turn using the pocket at Queens Plaza. They did that for a bunch of GOs maybe 2 years ago. 

Except that had to do with a G.O having both (E) and (F) Trains ending at 71st Avenue.

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3 minutes ago, Daniel The Cool said:

Except that had to do with a G.O having both (E) and (F) Trains ending at 71st Avenue.

Yes, but the cause of (R) trains turning at Queens Plaza is pretty irrelevant to the question of whether or not you _can_ turn/they have turned (R) trains at Queens Plaza. 

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4 hours ago, paulrivera said:

The (N) is actually *5* tph due to supplement.

Also, NYCT generally avoids having more than 15tph on any one track on Saturdays and Sundays.

Hell, they’d do *3* tph if they felt they could get away with it (hey (4)(5) and (L) riders, how y’all doin?)

Hey, don't blame the MTA for that one. The whole thing surrounding that is executive meddling.

As for the (4) and (5), they definitely need to do better (5 tph should be the absolute minimum during the day).

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5 hours ago, paulrivera said:

The (N) is actually *5* tph due to supplement.

Also, NYCT generally avoids having more than 15tph on any one track on Saturdays and Sundays.

Hell, they’d do *3* tph if they felt they could get away with it (hey (4)(5) and (L) riders, how y’all doin?)

I mean with the delays in Manhattan from all the people trying to squeeze on too few trains, you practically do have 3 tph...

20 minute waits on the weekends are regular at this point.

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1 hour ago, Lex said:

Hey, don't blame the MTA for that one. The whole thing surrounding that is executive meddling.

As for the (4) and (5), they definitely need to do better (5 tph should be the absolute minimum during the day).

This is very much a NYCT problem. Weekend service reduction is a direct result of the agency’s lack of attention to GO productivity and of flagging rules developed largely by the agency. The agency may not have control over some of the more arcane work rules, but it absolutely can do a better job coordinating projects, properly scheduling work trains and flagging crews, etc. It also could either invest in track barriers to eliminate adjacent flagging, or review flagging rules to understand what in them is working and what is not while comparing to other systems’ practices. And of course there’s always the option of changing the predominant GO format — emphasizing less frequent full shutdowns over the endless dribble of one-direction reroutes. 

With the (4)(5), the issue is the (6) and Brooklyn. You can’t run the (6) at 5tph, nor can you run Lex-Brooklyn or Jerome that low. So you run 7.5/3/7.5, which itself is really pushing it in terms of flagging capacities. I just wish they’d run 3tph of overlay service as far as 149-GC to complement the 3 of Manhattan service. 

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1 hour ago, RR503 said:

This is very much a NYCT problem. Weekend service reduction is a direct result of the agency’s lack of attention to GO productivity and of flagging rules developed largely by the agency. The agency may not have control over some of the more arcane work rules, but it absolutely can do a better job coordinating projects, properly scheduling work trains and flagging crews, etc. It also could either invest in track barriers to eliminate adjacent flagging, or review flagging rules to understand what in them is working and what is not while comparing to other systems’ practices. And of course there’s always the option of changing the predominant GO format — emphasizing less frequent full shutdowns over the endless dribble of one-direction reroutes. 

With the (4)(5), the issue is the (6) and Brooklyn. You can’t run the (6) at 5tph, nor can you run Lex-Brooklyn or Jerome that low. So you run 7.5/3/7.5, which itself is really pushing it in terms of flagging capacities. I just wish they’d run 3tph of overlay service as far as 149-GC to complement the 3 of Manhattan service. 

The (6) has to run at 5 tph when the (5) is replacing the (2) as 241 St and Flatbush Av can't have 20 minute headways. The (4) has to run local when this happens though

 

It is either: 

(4) 7.5 / (5) 3  / (6) 7.5  

or

(4) 7.5  / (5) 5  / (6)

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