Jova42R Posted August 15, 2019 Share #21926 Posted August 15, 2019 This weekend, I need to get from West Harlem to BBP Pier 5. Normally, I'd take the to the then walk, but since trains are not running, I have to use a different option. Ideally, I'd like something with not a TON of walking time -- I'll be carrying a lot, but 10 min walk is fine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R68OnBroadway Posted August 15, 2019 Share #21927 Posted August 15, 2019 Just now, New Flyer Xcelsior said: This weekend, I need to get from West Harlem to BBP Pier 5. Normally, I'd take the to the then walk, but since trains are not running, I have to use a different option. Ideally, I'd like something with not a TON of walking time -- I'll be carrying a lot, but 10 min walk is fine. to High Street 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jova42R Posted August 15, 2019 Share #21928 Posted August 15, 2019 1 minute ago, R68OnBroadway said: to High Street Yes, but that is a 20 min (1 mile) walk! Is there any other option? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biGC323232 Posted August 15, 2019 Share #21929 Posted August 15, 2019 2 hours ago, EphraimB said: My train passed the train at Canal St and that same train caught up at Chambers St. That's normal to happen in certain parts of the subway when an local will beat an express to a certain station....Happens to me all the time on the going home...I'll past a at nostrand and that same will not only beat us to utica but leave before we arrive...😁..sometimes due to train sitting at utica 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R68OnBroadway Posted August 15, 2019 Share #21930 Posted August 15, 2019 35 minutes ago, New Flyer Xcelsior said: Yes, but that is a 20 min (1 mile) walk! Is there any other option? Where in west Harlem are you? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jova42R Posted August 15, 2019 Share #21931 Posted August 15, 2019 Near 116 St 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R68OnBroadway Posted August 15, 2019 Share #21932 Posted August 15, 2019 1 minute ago, New Flyer Xcelsior said: Near 116 St M60 to 125th-Lex for the to Borough Hall 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted August 15, 2019 Share #21933 Posted August 15, 2019 48 minutes ago, New Flyer Xcelsior said: Yes, but that is a 20 min (1 mile) walk! Is there any other option? B25 bus, take the to Jay St Metrotech and transfer to the B25 there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted August 16, 2019 Share #21934 Posted August 16, 2019 2 hours ago, biGC323232 said: Cause the is just pulling away from Franklin Street... needs to slow down to avoid an derailment caused by the speed from being express from 14th...Thats my take on it Hence why the timers should begin at Franklin Street, where the T/O should apply the brakes beginning at the north end of Franklin Street and screeched to a near-halt at the south end of the station, then pick up speed again the rest of the way to Chambers Street. The southbound does not need timers approaching Chambers Street since it is just leaving Franklin Street and the distance is shorter between that station and Chambers Street, compared to the and , which have to run express from 14th all the down to Chambers, picking up speed mid-route. Generally, some timers start way too early and some other timers are just all over the place. That's too much. Examples include the southbound through Prospect Avenue and northbound through Union Street. The northbound repeatedly applying the brakes between 59th and 36th, and northbound applying the brakes repeatedly between 86th and 125th. I don't think there should be any timers at all whatsoever on the in both directions between 36th and Atlantic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jova42R Posted August 16, 2019 Share #21935 Posted August 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, trainfan22 said: B25 bus, take the to Jay St Metrotech and transfer to the B25 there. true -- maybe to Hoyt-Schemerhorn then take the B63 at Atlantic? Thanks! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted August 16, 2019 Share #21936 Posted August 16, 2019 14 minutes ago, New Flyer Xcelsior said: true -- maybe to Hoyt-Schemerhorn then take the B63 at Atlantic? Thanks! You can do that too. BBP is kinda big, even though both the B25 and B63 both go to BBP they are no where near each other. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwwnyc123 Posted August 16, 2019 Share #21937 Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) Some examples of timers because of Express speeding segments: pick up a lot of speed on 4 Av that's the reason for timers. throughout the entire line. Central Park West Line. on Queens Blvd line. in Manhattan. in Manhattan and Brooklyn. in Manhattan. Edited August 16, 2019 by bwwnyc123 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jova42R Posted August 16, 2019 Share #21938 Posted August 16, 2019 45 minutes ago, trainfan22 said: You can do that too. BBP is kinda big, even though both the B25 and B63 both go to BBP they are no where near each other. Pier 5 is right next to the B63, so it works! Thanks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted August 16, 2019 Share #21939 Posted August 16, 2019 42 minutes ago, bwwnyc123 said: Some examples of timers because of Express speeding segments: pick up a lot of speed on 4 Av that's the reason for timers. throughout the entire line. Central Park West Line. on Queens Blvd line. in Manhattan. in Manhattan and Brooklyn. in Manhattan. Fast speeds do not require timers absent sufficiently sharp curvature or a complex junction. You can design a signal system to handle any speed of traffic. The general categories of timers are: - those that exist to regulate train speed through areas with unforgiving track or tunnel geometry (ex: sharp curves) - those that exist to increase capacity by shortening control lines (for example on downgrades or on long express segments) - those that were installed to reduce maximum operating speeds to ensure that trains would always be able to stop before a collision or obstruction (these are the ones added post-1995) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jova42R Posted August 16, 2019 Share #21940 Posted August 16, 2019 m, 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwwnyc123 Posted August 16, 2019 Share #21941 Posted August 16, 2019 39 minutes ago, RR503 said: Fast speeds do not require timers absent sufficiently sharp curvature or a complex junction. You can design a signal system to handle any speed of traffic. The general categories of timers are: - those that exist to regulate train speed through areas with unforgiving track or tunnel geometry (ex: sharp curves) - those that exist to increase capacity by shortening control lines (for example on downgrades or on long express segments) - those that were installed to reduce maximum operating speeds to ensure that trains would always be able to stop before a collision or obstruction (these are the ones added post-1995) Timers are for speed that's why the trains slow down. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtatransit Posted August 16, 2019 Share #21942 Posted August 16, 2019 20 minutes ago, bwwnyc123 said: Timers are for speed that's why the trains slow down. What he is saying is that fast speed alone is not a requirement for timers, otherwise the express will travel no where. Timers are only needed to slow down trains when there are curves, junctions, downgrades, etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted August 16, 2019 Share #21943 Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) Has the Central Park West and Queens Blvd line pick up a lot of passengers during the late night hours going Express? such as 2 AM. Previously, the used to be an all Express service in Manhattan but that was a long time ago. Also, with the , when the Clark St tube construction is in-effect, the route goes Express during the weekends instead of Local in Manhattan. Is there an increase to ridership for Express service overnight? Edited August 16, 2019 by Calvin details to be specific 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted August 16, 2019 Share #21944 Posted August 16, 2019 43 minutes ago, Calvin said: Also, with the , it goes Express during the weekends instead of Local when the Clark St tube construction is in-effect. Has it gained an increase to overnight express service?. I'm not sure what your question is, so I'll say a couple of things. When Clark Street is closed, the runs express along Lexington Avenue and only Lexington Avenue (assuming no work knocks out one of the local tracks in Brooklyn or the Bronx). Since it covers quite the distance (or short-turns at Grand Central or 86th Street) and serves as a third overnight route under these circumstances, it becomes the night express. Under normal circumstances, and trains run their full routes as overnight locals, whereas the is short-turned at East 180th Street (no Manhattan service). During the day, the runs local on its full route, the runs express in Brooklyn and Manhattan and short-turns at Utica Avenue, and the runs express in Manhattan to Bowling Green. It wouldn't be hard to imagine the becoming an overnight express to Bowling Green, but the will to run it isn't there... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted August 16, 2019 Share #21945 Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Calvin said: Has the Central Park West and Queens Blvd line pick up a lot of passengers during the late night hours going Express? such as 2 AM. Previously, the used to be an all Express service in Manhattan but that was a long time ago. Also, with the , it goes Express during the weekends instead of Local when the Clark St tube construction is in-effect. Has it gained an increase to overnight express service?. I can't speak for the express, but the local stops on the QBL don't need additional service. I've been on trains at 3-4 AM, and that's more than enough in some cases. Edited August 16, 2019 by BM5 via Woodhaven 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted August 16, 2019 Share #21946 Posted August 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Calvin said: Has the Central Park West and Queens Blvd line pick up a lot of passengers during the late night hours going Express? Central Park West has lighter ridership at night when the museum is closed and the park itself is closed too. Plus, almost everyone on the train are headed to/from the Bronx. Otherwise, they would have made it completely local except for the 6th Avenue Express portion. The can handle Central Park West on its own. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted August 16, 2019 Share #21947 Posted August 16, 2019 11 hours ago, Jemorie said: Central Park West has lighter ridership at night when the museum is closed and the park itself is closed too. Plus, almost everyone on the train are headed to/from the Bronx. Otherwise, they would have made it completely local except for the 6th Avenue Express portion. The can handle Central Park West on its own. Also, they might have to run extra trains if the went local—to maintain frequency. An extreme example would be the additional cost of a quarter million dollars due to the running via tunnel instead of bridge: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted August 16, 2019 Share #21948 Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, CenSin said: Also, they might have to run extra trains if the went local—to maintain frequency. An extreme example would be the additional cost of a quarter million dollars due to the running via tunnel instead of bridge: I'm not even gonna front, but there's a certain someone who always posts pictures of the going via local on Central Park West everytime that individual makes a photo thread of his own. Just curious, is it because the is more than 20 minutes away (which I can understand), an overnight general order, a weekend general (both of which I can also understand as well), or he just really loves having the go local on that stretch just because? Lol. Sorry, I just had to say it. Edited August 16, 2019 by Jemorie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabanamaner Posted August 17, 2019 Share #21949 Posted August 17, 2019 Just took one of the special trains to 145th Street. The signage on the outside of the train says “Last Stop”, and the automated announcements have it as an to Myrtle-Wyckoff Aves. I guess there’s no program for an M to 145th Street. The look on people’s faces after 59th Street has been PRICELESS, so much confusion and very little signs explaining what’s happening. The only thing more rare than an on CPW would probably be the on the Grand Concourse or the to Far Rockaway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted August 17, 2019 Share #21950 Posted August 17, 2019 9 hours ago, Cabanamaner said: Just took one of the special trains to 145th Street. The signage on the outside of the train says “Last Stop”, and the automated announcements have it as an to Myrtle-Wyckoff Aves. I guess there’s no program for an M to 145th Street. The look on people’s faces after 59th Street has been PRICELESS, so much confusion and very little signs explaining what’s happening. The only thing more rare than an on CPW would probably be the on the Grand Concourse or the to Far Rockaway. MTA's method of waiting until the last minute to add or fix an AAS program is completely unprofessional. Remember the via Broadway G.O and none of the trains were signed up correctly because the program didnt exist yet? Or when the started going to 96th St and the announcements were glitched and kept saying "This is a Queens bound local train."? Does the agency not have a team to ensure that glitches like these are worked on BEFORE the actual G.O starts? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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