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The 42 St Shuttle is currently doing a SIR method (former Nassau/Atlantic stations) on track 3. 4 cars on that track, however, 1 out of the 4 does not open. 

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Spent the afternoon fanning the (R) via 6th Avenue GO. I figured I'd put my thoughts on it here:

-Incorrect signage

Of all the trains I saw today, only six trains were properly signed up as via 6th Avenue (and two of them were R160s). Of the four R46s, all of them were uptown and none of them were correctly signed up downtown.

This should be something basic and easy to manage.

-Lack of signage at stations explaining that the (R) stops there all weekend

There were many, many confused faces, especially at Grand Street and 47th-50th in particular, when an (R) would arrive and few people would get on even though the (R) train would take them where they were going but they were unsure of its routing. There was pretty much no signage at all on platforms explaining that yes (R) trains are stopping there and here's where their going and there were no platform conductors or "wayfinders" to provide assistance. Only Herald Square on the uptown side had any signage at all about the (R) and it was very vague. The only signs explaining what the detour was were on the regular parts of the (R) from 95th Street to DeKalb Av and Queens Plaza to Forest Hills. The electronic strip maps at ESI stations still showed the via Broadway route which I really thought was ridiculous. 

I think that as part of this G.O. they should have put up posters at stations along the rerouted (R) with "Queens bound R trains stop here" or "Brooklyn bound R trains stop here" and a basic strip map showing what stops it's making. The wall of text approach they're using for what few signs there were isn't really that effective.

-Lack of signage/maps on (R) trains explaining where they go

Not only were most trains completely signed up wrong, there were very few announcements being made by crews and no signage at all on the trains explaining where (R) trains were going, which also contributed to people letting (R) trains go and continuing to wait for the (D)(F) or (M) even if the (R) would have gotten them to their destinations too.

I figured this would be a perfect opportunity to print up special strip maps to stick in the windows like they did for the (J) to Metropolitan Av but I guess the MTA didn't feel it was necessary and frankly that was a mistake.

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-Overall operations

There were some merge delays at Broadway-Lafayette northbound and 47th-50th southbound but overall trains seemed to be moving smoothly. There was one large 18 minute gap in the mid afternoon but otherwise they were every 7-12 minutes regularly. My train home back to Bay Ridge took only 38 minutes from Lex-53rd even though we were held twice, while the comparable trip from Lex-59th normally would be about an hour.

I personally feel like the (R) performs better during this GO than it normally does on weekends to be honest with you.

 

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15 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

Spent the afternoon fanning the (R) via 6th Avenue GO. I figured I'd put my thoughts on it here:

-Incorrect signage

Of all the trains I saw today, only six trains were properly signed up as via 6th Avenue (and two of them were R160s). Of the four R46s, all of them were uptown and none of them were correctly signed up downtown.

This should be something basic and easy to manage.

-Lack of signage at stations explaining that the (R) stops there all weekend

There were many, many confused faces, especially at Grand Street and 47th-50th in particular, when an (R) would arrive and few people would get on even though the (R) train would take them where they were going but they were unsure of its routing. There was pretty much no signage at all on platforms explaining that yes (R) trains are stopping there and here's where their going and there were no platform conductors or "wayfinders" to provide assistance. Only Herald Square on the uptown side had any signage at all about the (R) and it was very vague. The only signs explaining what the detour was were on the regular parts of the (R) from 95th Street to DeKalb Av and Queens Plaza to Forest Hills. The electronic strip maps at ESI stations still showed the via Broadway route which I really thought was ridiculous. 

I think that as part of this G.O. they should have put up posters at stations along the rerouted (R) with "Queens bound R trains stop here" or "Brooklyn bound R trains stop here" and a basic strip map showing what stops it's making. The wall of text approach they're using for what few signs there were isn't really that effective.

-Lack of signage/maps on (R) trains explaining where they go

Not only were most trains completely signed up wrong, there were very few announcements being made by crews and no signage at all on the trains explaining where (R) trains were going, which also contributed to people letting (R) trains go and continuing to wait for the (D)(F) or (M) even if the (R) would have gotten them to their destinations too.

I figured this would be a perfect opportunity to print up special strip maps to stick in the windows like they did for the (J) to Metropolitan Av but I guess the MTA didn't feel it was necessary and frankly that was a mistake.

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-Overall operations

There were some merge delays at Broadway-Lafayette northbound and 47th-50th southbound but overall trains seemed to be moving smoothly. There was one large 18 minute gap in the mid afternoon but otherwise they were every 7-12 minutes regularly. My train home back to Bay Ridge took only 38 minutes from Lex-53rd even though we were held twice, while the comparable trip from Lex-59th normally would be about an hour.

I personally feel like the (R) performs better during this GO than it normally does on weekends to be honest with you.

 

I fanned the (R) via 6th Ave as well and I did not see any R46’s with correct signage. Most of the trains had the wrong destination meaning a Bay Ridge bound (R) would have Forest Hills signage and the Forest Hills trains would have Bay Ridge signage. I saw a couple of trains with blank LCD’s which isn’t uncommon for the R46’s, I saw one that said “Last Stop” and there was one that had the correct destination but it said via Broadway local. Today I saw an R46 (R) with correct signage.  
 

What I’ve noticed is usually when the (R) is rerouted or has a G.O that causes it to skip stops there would be tons of R160s on the line. The R46’s are horrible when it comes to hearing announcements and having working destinations. 

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3 hours ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

I fanned the (R) via 6th Ave as well and I did not see any R46’s with correct signage. Most of the trains had the wrong destination meaning a Bay Ridge bound (R) would have Forest Hills signage and the Forest Hills trains would have Bay Ridge signage. I saw a couple of trains with blank LCD’s which isn’t uncommon for the R46’s, I saw one that said “Last Stop” and there was one that had the correct destination but it said via Broadway local. Today I saw an R46 (R) with correct signage.  
 

What I’ve noticed is usually when the (R) is rerouted or has a G.O that causes it to skip stops there would be tons of R160s on the line. The R46’s are horrible when it comes to hearing announcements and having working destinations. 

That's not the case with ALL R46's. Some have been given the enhancements in 2017 which improved speakers for announcements, but it can also be due to how close or how far the conductor is to the speaker. It's not mainly the R46's to be known as a problem or blamed upon. Some conductors either forget or don't place it up thinking people will know. There's not much to blame except that the G.O wasn't explained properly. 

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1 hour ago, MTA Rail Fan said:

That's not the case with ALL R46's. Some have been given the enhancements in 2017 which improved speakers for announcements, but it can also be due to how close or how far the conductor is to the speaker. It's not mainly the R46's to be known as a problem or blamed upon. Some conductors either forget or don't place it up thinking people will know. There's not much to blame except that the G.O wasn't explained properly. 

I’m aware that not all the R46’s have those problems. However there is still too many that show the wrong destination. You can have the first half of the train say one thing and the second half say another thing. I think this definitely falls on the MTA for half adding enhancements. The MTA is notorious for bringing updates to some trains and abandoning the rest. That’s why for example a bunch of Jamaica’s R160s never received yellow poles and floor mats by the door and why some R46s have old codes and others have been upgraded. 

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56 minutes ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

I’m aware that not all the R46’s have those problems. However there is still too many that show the wrong destination. You can have the first half of the train say one thing and the second half say another thing. I think this definitely falls on the MTA for half adding enhancements. The MTA is notorious for bringing updates to some trains and abandoning the rest. That’s why for example a bunch of Jamaica’s R160s never received yellow poles and floor mats by the door and why some R46s have old codes and others have been upgraded. 

That's true. However, even if the destination signs says one thing and the other half also says another thing, it's the conductors job to place it. Even if they're half different from one another, they will still end up having the same terminal and same thing. It's the conductor who technically controls those destinations signs. It's true that the MTA is notorious for bringing updates to some trains and abandoning the rest, but you have to remember that the MTA has neglected some of it's trains up till now. That's why most of the trains were rebuilt in the GOH program back in the 1980s and some were left in graffiti even before the GOH program. Although we have Andy Byford now, he should be able to have the MTA stop neglecting it's trains. Just remember that the yard controls the fleets, not the MTA directly. That's why there's half enhanced sets and sets that weren't enhanced.

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https://sunnysidepost.com/mta-to-install-safety-netting-under-elevated-tracks-across-new-york?fbclid=IwAR2JkqlUQtWaI2G35XlEKeZh_8Mv2RNX8wMbpgBs8kbn1pZWw2YKE0aGwgg

There may be a plan to install safety nettings under the elevated tracks other than the (7) Flushing Av such as:  
Fulton St (J)(Z) 

McDonald Av (F) 

Jerome Av (4) 

Southern Blvd (2)(5)  and (6)  Westchester Av

86 St on the (D) 

 

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There's a R68 (Q) train heading back down Coney Island via 6 Av

Also, with the (Q) via the (F) and (B) line, it takes 16-20 minutes from Grand St @10:21 PM to Dekalb Av @10:41 PM, b/c of train traffic with two other lines using the same track via the Bridge. 

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The baseball fan in me wants to see Tampa Bay upset Houston so that the Yankees have an easier path to the World Series (Tampa vs NYY would start Saturday at home)

The railfan in me wants to see Houston win so that the Yankees start that series on the road (Houston has the better W-L record), enabling (5) service to run via Jerome all weekend long.

I'm really conflicted...

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2 hours ago, paulrivera said:

The baseball fan in me wants to see Tampa Bay upset Houston so that the Yankees have an easier path to the World Series (Tampa vs NYY would start Saturday at home)

The railfan in me wants to see Houston win so that the Yankees start that series on the road (Houston has the better W-L record), enabling (5) service to run via Jerome all weekend long.

I'm really conflicted...

I wouldn't be so quick to want to play Tampa..... (The better of) Those teams that have to rely on doing the "little things"/intangibles right to be competitive in this league, the Yankees tend to have a tougher time with....

I'm actually pulling for Tampa though, because I'm beyond tired of hearing how supercalifragilisticexpialidocious (or however you spell that shit) Zach Steinke, Hobbit Cole & Just-in-my Verlingerie are as a pitching staff.... I'm not holding my breath though.

 

If Houston ends up winning, they can catch that fade though either way.... No fux given.

 

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Rode an 179 (A) to Lefferts... Was gonna ride that back to BK but when my 179 A pulled into Lefferts, an 32 (A) was on the other track, change of plans lol

 

 

Loving the diversity on the (A) & (C) lines these days.

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Are R160’s on the (J) rare? I took that line today for the first time in a while, expecting an R179 but ended up getting an R160 (I didn’t mind at all, I love the 160’s 🙂).

How many R179 trains are on the (J) and how many R160’s are on the (J)?

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52 minutes ago, Snorunts said:

Are R160’s on the (J) rare? I took that line today for the first time in a while, expecting an R179 but ended up getting an R160 (I didn’t mind at all, I love the 160’s 🙂).

How many R179 trains are on the (J) and how many R160’s are on the (J)?

The (J) uses R160s more than anything else. They sometimes run back to back.

As far as assignments, I believe it uses 8-10 sets of 160s and almost the same for 179s.

 

 

On a separate note, is there any reason Subway time shows the (7) running at 8-minute headways when it’s scheduled to run every 4-6? I checked and there are no GOs or any planned work along the line for this weekend. There isn’t the first time I’ve noticed either.

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30 minutes ago, S78 via Hylan said:

The (J) uses R160s more than anything else. They sometimes run back to back.

As far as assignments, I believe it uses 8-10 sets of 160s and almost the same for 179s.

 

 

On a separate note, is there any reason Subway time shows the (7) running at 8-minute headways when it’s supposed to be every 4-6? I checked and there are no GOs or any planned work along the line for this weekend. I’ve noticed this a few times.

I've always thought there were more R179s than R160s on the (J) by 2-3 trains.

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19 minutes ago, CyclonicTrainLookout said:

I've always thought there were more R179s than R160s on the (J) by 2-3 trains.

Same here, except I thought they had WAY more R179’s than R160’s.

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How does the (4) not wait 2 seconds to meet the (5) at Burnside on the express track, man...
 

Damn, I outsmarted myself trying to beat the crowd... Gave the conductor of the (4) a well earned two digit salute tho.

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1 hour ago, S78 via Hylan said:

On a separate note, is there any reason Subway time shows the (7) running at 8-minute headways when it’s scheduled to run every 4-6? I checked and there are no GOs or any planned work along the line for this weekend. There isn’t the first time I’ve noticed either.

You would think they'd run as many (7) trains as possible to get people off the overburdened (E)(F) and (N) trains in Queens, as well as to get some people off the (L)...

Nope. 125% capacity or bust.

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2 hours ago, S78 via Hylan said:

 

 

 

On a separate note, is there any reason Subway time shows the (7) running at 8-minute headways when it’s scheduled to run every 4-6? I checked and there are no GOs or any planned work along the line for this weekend. There isn’t the first time I’ve noticed either.

They're running a supplement schedule this weekend.

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30 minutes ago, Jchambers2120 said:

They're running a supplement schedule this weekend.

How long until they make it a permanent cut like what were formerly supplements on the (A)(C)(D)(E)(F)(N) and (R)?

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8 hours ago, S78 via Hylan said:

On a separate note, is there any reason Subway time shows the (7) running at 8-minute headways when it’s scheduled to run every 4-6? I checked and there are no GOs or any planned work along the line for this weekend. There isn’t the first time I’ve noticed either.

And there's an (apparently really popular) festival at Citi Field all this weekend too? Good grief.

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Why don’t they write that (7) trains are running every 8 min? They do that with other trains when headways are increased. It may not be sharing tracks with other trains but it’s nice to let people know anyway.

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20 minutes ago, Around the Horn said:

And there's an (apparently really popular) festival at Citi Field all this weekend too? Good grief.

Yeah, Rolling Loud.

Also, not the first time they've done these types of things during major events. I believe it was last year when that "urgent" work was done suspending the (7) west of Queensboro Plaza on the same weekend when both Comic Con (Javits Center) and the BTS concert (Citifield) were occurring. 

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17 minutes ago, Abba said:

Why don’t they write that (7) trains are running every 8 min? They do that with other trains when headways are increased. It may not be sharing tracks with other trains but it’s nice to let people know anyway.

Because they’re trying to save on paper. If they put the (7) service cut on the website that means another entry on the weekend changes posters that go up at every station, which wastes their ink and paper, and creates more work for the people in charge of distributing those posters.

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