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Extremely notable that both subways and buses are above budget. Buses are money losers almost by design. This tells me that it's time for expansion, since the only way you improve the profitability of a transit network is through expansion, not cutting. Cutting was the MTA model for years, and look where it got us. Nearly destroyed bus ridership. 

I'll mention again what a pathetic waste Cuomo's 500 new cops are, too. 

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21 hours ago, HenryB said:

imagine next time a show about the Bronx:

"yo this is the bronx bound (D) train. Welcome to the bronx m**th**f**ker" 😂

Get me one with MC Lyte in the Kickin’ style:

”This (4) Train’s to Brooklyn

”This stop’s 86th Street

”Now stand clear of the closing doors”

 

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10 hours ago, bwwnyc123 said:

That is because R143 was made before R160 and R179. They copied the strip map style from R142 and R142A. Plus they are being used temporary on the (J) Line until R179 come back to service soon. They were originally made just for the (L) Line.

They were doing that back in ‘15/‘16 when I rode (J) to W’burg.

Don't remember if conductors made the announcements, but it made me happy I didn’t have to ride an R32 from Broad to Marcy.

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Was browsing NYC Subway last night and came upon this map of service from 1987.

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/caption.pl?/img/maps/system_1987.gif

Would anyone more familiar with service in those days happen to know what a bolded vs non bolded letter/number at a station is supposed to indicate? Best example is along Fulton St, each station is being marked as being serviced by both the (A) and <C> but express stations like Euclid have the (A) in bold. I thought it might be late night service, but I assumed that wasn't so because the map is labelled on the below page as being daytime service, and there is a separate map on there for night service.

https://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/Historical_Maps#1980-Present

If anyone has any idea, that would be most appreciated.

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8 minutes ago, ttcsubwayfan said:

Was browsing NYC Subway last night and came upon this map of service from 1987.

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/caption.pl?/img/maps/system_1987.gif

Would anyone more familiar with service in those days happen to know what a bolded vs non bolded letter/number at a station is supposed to indicate? Best example is along Fulton St, each station is being marked as being serviced by both the (A) and <C> but express stations like Euclid have the (A) in bold. I thought it might be late night service, but I assumed that wasn't so because the map is labelled on the below page as being daytime service, and there is a separate map on there for night service.

https://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/Historical_Maps#1980-Present

If anyone has any idea, that would be most appreciated.

A bold letter means that the train always stops there 24/7 whereas a grey letter usually refers to trains that stop there either during the day, rush hours or weekdays. 

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4 minutes ago, ttcsubwayfan said:

Was browsing NYC Subway last night and came upon this map of service from 1987.

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/caption.pl?/img/maps/system_1987.gif

Would anyone more familiar with service in those days happen to know what a bolded vs non bolded letter/number at a station is supposed to indicate? Best example is along Fulton St, each station is being marked as being serviced by both the (A) and <C> but express stations like Euclid have the (A) in bold. I thought it might be late night service, but I assumed that wasn't so because the map is labelled on the below page as being daytime service, and there is a separate map on there for night service.

https://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/Historical_Maps#1980-Present

If anyone has any idea, that would be most appreciated.

 

Part-time versus full-time stops/service. The (A) always stops at Nostrand, Utica, the other express stops, but it does not always stop at the local stops. The <C> doesn't always stop at the station (I think it's a rush-hour line).

The yellow Broadway <B> always runs between 57th Street and Coney Island via West End (solid black), but the rush-hour extension to Astoria does not (the gray). Same for the yellow Broadway (D) on the Brighton Line. At that time, there was a skip-stop pattern with the (Q) , so you can see what stops the (D) always made (Prospect Park, Church, Beverley, Newkirk, Av H, M, etc), but the gray (D) indicates it stops part-time (Parkside, Cortelyou, Av J, Av U).

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1 hour ago, ttcsubwayfan said:

Was browsing NYC Subway last night and came upon this map of service from 1987.

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/caption.pl?/img/maps/system_1987.gif

Would anyone more familiar with service in those days happen to know what a bolded vs non bolded letter/number at a station is supposed to indicate? Best example is along Fulton St, each station is being marked as being serviced by both the (A) and <C> but express stations like Euclid have the (A) in bold. I thought it might be late night service, but I assumed that wasn't so because the map is labelled on the below page as being daytime service, and there is a separate map on there for night service.

https://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/Historical_Maps#1980-Present

If anyone has any idea, that would be most appreciated.

When did the (E) and (F) switch express portions during late nights on Queenz Blvd?

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Oh yes, I'd quite forgotten that the <C> and (Q) were more limited in those days then they are now. Thanks all! :)

3 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

When did the (E) and (F) switch express portions during late nights on Queenz Blvd?

The answers will likely be in the article for the two trains on Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_(New_York_City_Subway_service)#Archer_and_63rd_Street_changes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F_(New_York_City_Subway_service)

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I'm probably late on this but what's with the extra enthusiastic automatic announcements on the (7) ?

"This is 40th St, I don't want to say it's my favorite street but its definitely top 40!"

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34 minutes ago, brakethrow said:

I'm probably late on this but what's with the extra enthusiastic automatic announcements on the (7) ?

"This is 40th St, I don't want to say it's my favorite street but its definitely top 40!"

It's an ad campaign for Awkwafina's show on Comedy Central.

If you don't like them, take solace in the fact that it's only for one week.

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Why didn’t the IND design QBL like CPW with a long express stretch to separate the riders closer to Manhattan from the ones further away? (which made the local trains more attractive). I’d imagine if they did, Jackson Heights would be a local stop at Woodhaven would be express. Would this have worked out better in terms of crowding or no?

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10 hours ago, R68OnBroadway said:

Why didn’t the IND design QBL like CPW with a long express stretch to separate the riders closer to Manhattan from the ones further away? (which made the local trains more attractive). I’d imagine if they did, Jackson Heights would be a local stop at Woodhaven would be express. Would this have worked out better in terms of crowding or no?

They kind of did, the IND Express skips 5 stations before arriving at Jackson Heights, They probably decided on an express station at Roosevelt Ave to compete with the IRT. Almost all IND stations which are in close proximity to BMT or IRT lines are express stations.

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13 hours ago, Lex said:

It's an ad campaign for Awkwafina's show on Comedy Central.

If you don't like them, take solace in the fact that it's only for one week.

The commentary was so cringey. I hardly ever ride the (7) so thankfully I don't have to deal with it.

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19 hours ago, Lex said:

It's an ad campaign for Awkwafina's show on Comedy Central.

If you don't like them, take solace in the fact that it's only for one week.

Heard the announcements were funny but terrible, so I'm guessing it's a good thing I live uptown

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On 1/18/2020 at 8:36 PM, Union Tpke said:

@RR503 This Capital Program is really going to kill the agency.

That, health/pension costs, and the stagnation/decrease in labor productivity (wages, which get all the attention from the Post crowd, are not really an issue). 

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Random Question. Under CBTC Conditions, if you were to run 3 services on one track along "Corridor A" with only one merge between the 3 services (lets say, one service diverges from two other services, and the two other services merge diverge elsewhere), what would be the maximum realistic Capacity allowed on "Corridor A"?

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On 1/18/2020 at 7:28 PM, R68OnBroadway said:

Why didn’t the IND design QBL like CPW with a long express stretch to separate the riders closer to Manhattan from the ones further away? (which made the local trains more attractive). I’d imagine if they did, Jackson Heights would be a local stop at Woodhaven would be express. Would this have worked out better in terms of crowding or no?

Definitely wouldn't have worked out better. As it is, Roosevelt is FUBAR as the only express stop before Queens Plaza, and as the last stop on QBL for the (F) .

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Speaking of QBL, I can’t wait for CBTC to become active. The express has gotten so slow at around 8:30-9 in the morning that I’m considering leaving my house earlier and taking the (M) train instead of the (F). I just can’t stand the crawling/ reduced speed that express trains move at because of how close they run together. Like what’s the point of calling it express when half the time the locals are beating the express to the Roosevelt Ave from Forest Hills. 

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The (7) has CBTC and there are still plenty of instances where trains crawl while running very close together. If the (7) is any indication, CBTC is not going to completely make that go away on QBL.

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