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Sharing a little research.

Going off some photos, it looks like black-on-white Unimark signs showed up on the 8th Avenue Line from Chambers through at least 81st, possibly a little higher beginning in the spring of 1969. Express stations got the new signs and at least the majority of local stations too. That lines up with the Unimark contract for design in 1966-1968 slowly being implemented. These signs were made properly, with what I believe was photographic enlargement of the lettering instead of the hand stenciling that showed up on a lot of the other signs during that era. [Either that, or really professional stenciling.] The more northern stations didn't get updated until the mid-1970s, when some of them received white-on-black signs with a white square for bullet (the transition style) turned up for the first time. Those were hand stenciled signs and they weren't modular like the Vignelli signs, but the current form of a single metal sign with a steel support riveted inside. Basically of these lasted until around 1988-1990 when the last of the original overhead signs, many panels replaced and the others covered in stickers for service changes, were finally replaced. Some stations received well-made porcelain overhead signs with 10" bullets around that time, but soon the cheaper sheet metal signs with small bullets that we know today took their place. A lot of stations still have the 1988ish porcelain signs installed, with sheet metal signs hanging over them. One became visible while signs were being replaced 59th St. not long ago, but it was quickly covered up. Another set of porcelain signs with standard Helvetica, not Medium, turned up and a number of stations during the mid-90s. Many of those are still up, all the way out to the Rockaways. That generation marked the end of porcelain overhead signs in the subway. All the other 8th Ave signs are late-90s and 2000s-2010s sheet metal.

In terms of pillar signs, nearly every station kept its original 1932 porcelain signs until the 1980s, some later. Most stations received number-only white-on-black enamel signs that read '72, 81' etc. around 1982 or 1983. Some didn't – Chambers kept original signs until the early 1990s. Those signs were first replaced with larger enamel signs that included the word 'Street' in the mid-90s at some stations, and in the 2000s with non-enamel signs of the same variety (and the correct Helvetica weight). The last of the 1982-1983 signs were removed from 135th and 72nd over the past few years. Some of the mid-90s signs are now being replaced with cheap, poorly-designed sheet metal signs, like at West 4th and Chambers.

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4 hours ago, MHV9218 said:

Sharing a little research.

Going off some photos, it looks like black-on-white Unimark signs showed up on the 8th Avenue Line from Chambers through at least 81st, possibly a little higher beginning in the spring of 1969. Express stations got the new signs and at least the majority of local stations too. That lines up with the Unimark contract for design in 1966-1968 slowly being implemented. These signs were made properly, with what I believe was photographic enlargement of the lettering instead of the hand stenciling that showed up on a lot of the other signs during that era. [Either that, or really professional stenciling.] The more northern stations didn't get updated until the mid-1970s, when some of them received white-on-black signs with a white square for bullet (the transition style) turned up for the first time. Those were hand stenciled signs and they weren't modular like the Vignelli signs, but the current form of a single metal sign with a steel support riveted inside. Basically of these lasted until around 1988-1990 when the last of the original overhead signs, many panels replaced and the others covered in stickers for service changes, were finally replaced. Some stations received well-made porcelain overhead signs with 10" bullets around that time, but soon the cheaper sheet metal signs with small bullets that we know today took their place. A lot of stations still have the 1988ish porcelain signs installed, with sheet metal signs hanging over them. One became visible while signs were being replaced 59th St. not long ago, but it was quickly covered up. Another set of porcelain signs with standard Helvetica, not Medium, turned up and a number of stations during the mid-90s. Many of those are still up, all the way out to the Rockaways. That generation marked the end of porcelain overhead signs in the subway. All the other 8th Ave signs are late-90s and 2000s-2010s sheet metal.

In terms of pillar signs, nearly every station kept its original 1932 porcelain signs until the 1980s, some later. Most stations received number-only white-on-black enamel signs that read '72, 81' etc. around 1982 or 1983. Some didn't – Chambers kept original signs until the early 1990s. Those signs were first replaced with larger enamel signs that included the word 'Street' in the mid-90s at some stations, and in the 2000s with non-enamel signs of the same variety (and the correct Helvetica weight). The last of the 1982-1983 signs were removed from 135th and 72nd over the past few years. Some of the mid-90s signs are now being replaced with cheap, poorly-designed sheet metal signs, like at West 4th and Chambers.

Amazing research. It would be amazing if you could share some photographs to accompany this. Keep up the great work!

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Essential Service 
 Posted: 04/06/2020  5:00AM 

(E) trains run every 30 minutes between World Trade Center and Jamaica Center-Parsons/Archer as part of MTA's Essential Service plan.

We're running as many trains as we possibly can with the crews we have available.


Essential Service 
 Posted: 04/06/2020  5:00AM 

(A) trains run every 30 minutes between Inwood-207 St and Ozone Park-Lefferts Blvd/Far Rockaway as part of the MTA's Essential Service plan.

Essential Service 
 Posted: 04/06/2020  5:00AM 

(D) trains run about every 30 minutes between Norwood-205 St and Coney Island-Stillwell Av as part of the MTA's Essential Service plan.

Essential Service 
 Posted: 04/06/2020  5:00AM 


(M) trains are running every 15 minutes between Middle Village-Metropolitan Av and Forest Hills-71 Av as part of MTA's Essential Service plan. 

Essential Service 
 Posted: 04/06/2020  5:00AM 

(F) trains depart Jamaica-179 St and Coney Island-Stillwell Av every 20 minutes as part of the MTA's Essential Service Plan. 


We are running as many trains as possible with the crews we have available. 

 

Essential Service 
 Posted: 04/06/2020  5:00AM 


(J) service runs every 30 minutes between Jamaica Center and Broad St as part of the MTA's Essential Service plan. 

We're running as many trains as we possibly can with the crews we have available.
 

Essential Service 
 Posted: 04/06/2020  5:09AM 

(N) trains run every 30 minutes between Astoria-Ditmars Blvd and 86 St as part of MTA's Essential Service plan.


We're running as many trains as we possibly can with the crews we have available.


Essential Service 
 Posted: 04/06/2020  5:00AM 

(R)  trains run every 20 minutes between Forest Hills-71 Av and Bay Ridge-95 St as part of the MTA's Essential Service plan.

Consider taking the B63 as an alternative.


We are running as many trains as possible with the crews we have available.


Essential Service 
 Posted: 04/06/2020  1:22AM 

(Q) trains are running every 30 minutes between 96 St and Coney Island-Stillwell Av as part of MTA's Essential Service Plan. 

We are running as many trains as possible with the crews we have available.

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7 hours ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

110th Street will reopen in the morning:

 

Were trains running through the station after the fire?

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49 minutes ago, Deucey said:

Were trains running through the station after the fire?

No

The (2) was rerouted to the Lexington and the (3) ran on the (1) line to 137th street from 96th street I believe. With every regular (3) stop after 96th street being served by shuttle buses.

86th and 96th street were also closed briefly for FDNY investigation https://mymtaalerts.com/m?D8D32

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In the Essential Service Plan, it seems trains that normally run express continue to run express unless they need to run local to replace a suspended service, regardless of headways.  I wonder if there's a specific headway where express service no longer makes sense and it's better to send all trains local with more frequent service, and how it would be calculated.  It would need to be determined at what point does the time saved with shorter wait times exceed the time saved with express service.

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6 hours ago, Deucey said:

Were trains running through the station after the fire?

Not for the immediate weekend (since nothing was running on the Lenox Avenue line and trains were being rerouted). The week that followed, (3) and (5) trains were instructed to bypass the station during daytime hours, but nothing was running during overnight hours. 

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@Coney Island Av @trainfan22

I had some time to kill, so I decided to check out the GE R32s at Floyd Bennett Field. It turns out you can see them from one of the roads, and the cars appear to be in pretty decent condition on the outside. They still have their flipdots, rollsigns, and number plates.

 

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On 4/5/2020 at 1:05 PM, Deucey said:

Actually I do. And I’m going to formally advise you to stop it - since during this stay-at-home order period I figured out how to use these moderator buttons.

I have a better idea.

Delete My Account.

Anything is better than listening to whiny NYCT personnel deny the inevitable.

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25 minutes ago, MassTransitHonchkrow said:

I have a better idea.

Delete My Account.

Anything is better than listening to whiny NYCT personnel deny the inevitable.

I swear you're the only one I seen on the forums act this childish over a pandemic lol 

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1 hour ago, MassTransitHonchkrow said:

I have a better idea.

Delete My Account.

Anything is better than listening to whiny NYCT personnel deny the inevitable.

You can do that yourself. But I gave you a month’s time to think about whether you want to participate positively or leave.

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Currently, the (5) and (6) are running normally on the essential plan (weekend headways). 

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So the (E) is running every 30 minutes according to the essential service plan. I wonder how those trains are looking now with the added wait. I know the amount of service that can be ran is depended on the amount of crew available, so I’m guessing a lot of them are sick. 

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2 hours ago, Jsunflyguy said:

Is there a short version of what you guys are going back and forth over?

TL;DR version: he was being a troll over COVID-19, was asked to stop multiple times, and I had to moderate.

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5 hours ago, P3F said:

@Coney Island Av @trainfan22

I had some time to kill, so I decided to check out the GE R32s at Floyd Bennett Field. It turns out you can see them from one of the roads, and the cars appear to be in pretty decent condition on the outside. They still have their flipdots, rollsigns, and number plates.

 

Maybe the (MTA) could swap that pair for a regular Phase I R32 (maybe the mothballed 3786-3787) and restore it to operational condition (and put into the Museum Collection). That way, all three post GOH phases (I, II, GE) can be represented and be showcased.

If ppl want a pre GOH representation, then this pair is the easiest to convert back to near pre GOH, seeing that the marker lights and the EXP/LCL holes are present, albeit currently patched.

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1 hour ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

So the (E) is running every 30 minutes according to the essential service plan. I wonder how those trains are looking now with the added wait. I know the amount of service that can be ran is depended on the amount of crew available, so I’m guessing a lot of them are sick. 

Most likely your typical (E) train but 1000x worse. Its a wannabe Tokyo subway line, push and shove.

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23 hours ago, MeeP15-9112 said:

Did the B division have yard stickers on their cars like the A division?

 

23 hours ago, Calvin said:

Not really. Just a few color circles on some 46s (not every one). 

Yellow = Jamaica, Blue Diamond = Pitkin  -> That was before. 

 

23 hours ago, MeeP15-9112 said:

So thats what those dots are for! The blue diamonds IIRC were used on JA—Pitkin 46s and then there was the few that were involved in the JA—CI swap (5842-5).

The B Division did have yard stickers back in the late '80s and early '90s, they were just never as widely used as stickers on the A Division.  Cases in point:

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2462

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?4594

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?50027

As to the R46s, the blue diamonds may have been something else; when they first were pasted on the cars there was talk that it was to denote air compressor modifications done on those cars- don't know the whole story though, an employee would probably know more about this.

 

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34 minutes ago, R10 2952 said:

 

 

The B Division did have yard stickers back in the late '80s and early '90s, they were just never as widely used as stickers on the A Division.  Cases in point:

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2462

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?4594

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?50027

As to the R46s, the blue diamonds may have been something else; when they first were pasted on the cars there was talk that it was to denote air compressor modifications done on those cars- don't know the whole story though, an employee would probably know more about this.

 

Interesting @R10 2952.

Looking at the photos, it seems that the yard sticker assignments are:

half orange/yellow combo: Concourse 

full orange strip: CIY.

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10 minutes ago, MeeP15-9112 said:

Interesting @R10 2952.

Looking at the photos, it seems that the yard sticker assignments are:

half orange/yellow combo: Concourse 

full orange strip: CIY.

Considering the routes based out of those yards, you'd think they'd be reversed.

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7 minutes ago, Lex said:

Considering the routes based out of those yards, you'd think they'd be reversed.

What do you mean?

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52 minutes ago, MeeP15-9112 said:

What do you mean?

That was a color-coding joke, though it works better now than it did then.

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17 minutes ago, Around the Horn said:

img_4594.jpg

I swear one of the R32s has these stickers. One of the 3800s, if memory serves...

3806-3807 I presume?

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